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McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent.

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McCain's pick of Palin may have been the greatest campaign move on McCain's part thus far though it might backfire.

Here's why:

1. The experience argument McCain's been using STILL works. A lot of Obama supporters have been ignoring this or are ignorant of it but the VP is not necessarily an experience necessary job. Historically, no one really gives a damn about the VP and whether she has experience doesn't matter because it's the PRESIDENT's job to lead (in fact, many VP picks have been very inexperienced...no one cared). As such Republicans can continue to logically state that Obama is ill-prepared while Democratic attacks on Palin's experience fall flat (she'll have time to learn on job).

2. It gives McCain the hype he's needed. So far this campaign has had a lot of hype on the Democrat side and little on the Republican (a black man and a woman locked in a primary duel to the finish is exciting to the news). McCain now has a definite addition of newness which will get him far while Obama seems less and less the change candidate.

3. The ages weigh out. With Obama adding Biden, the Obama ticket lost its youthfulness. McCain adding Palin (three years Obama's junior) brings a complete balance to the ticket's (they're pretty even).

4. It preserves and restates McCain's maverick image that has made his campaign even slightly possible. He chose a newbie who's outside of the Bush political realm and has fought corruption back home (this one's pretty clear).

5. He gains favor with evangelicals. Palin's pretty Christian and...pretty religious (unlike McCain). She has a kid with down syndrome and she's now the poster girl of the 'I could have had an abortion but didn't' club.

6. The two look like a revolution in the Republican party. Though they're really no different on policy terms, the two of them are historic (well not so much McCain but he pretends and people believe) outsiders. It's kind of a cleaning house of sorts and that will fall well with disaffected Republicans who want change but not Democrats.

7. The Democrats only reasonable Plan B fails. The supposed belief is that "hey if Obama loses in '08 at least Hillary will wallop McCain in '12" (I think she actually should have run 4 yrs ago because she makes for a much better attack candidate...not a new one). Not true with Palin. The facts are that women are held up to standards of beauty while they must also not be too sexual or beautiful to garner power (it's our modern aversive sexism that alot of people on these boards ignore). When you put youthful Palin on stage next to a 4 yrs older Hillary the age difference will show and Hillary will lose. Plus, she's lost the revolutionary quality of her candidacy - namely, being a woman.

8. It gives a clear Republican power plan for 16 YEARS. Easy, you get McCain in there for eight with his experience and maverick stylings and then you continue another 8 with Palin as the president and she will represent the advancements in the party...blah, blah, blah.

9. I saved this for last because it's so obvious but it garners some Hillary votes.

But really though...

Clinton supporters should NOT be joining this ticket and all the more because of its shrewd backhand to Hillary. What McCain (and the republicans) are saying when they put Palin in the VP position is that all that Hillary has done throughout her public service life and her campaign of late can be easily replicated and replaced by just any random woman walking on the stage. It completely discredits the hard work of feminists throughout history who have had to fight for equality by saying that since Hillary almost shattered the glass ceiling it is now easily pushed through by the small efforts of any women even though Hillary's campaign clearly revealed that there is a prominent double-standard for women still.

If anything, Palin is trying to steal Hillary's spotlight though she has not the brains, nor the skill, nor the experience to come close to being the woman that Hillary is. It's brash and it comes from a woman who doesn't even support women's rights in the first place (an anti-feminist female candidate).

Hopefully people see through this VERY shrewd move.

Soooo...McCain's really helped himself a lot and lets hope he doesn't win.

And...to those Hillary supporters out there who were hoping for '12. It's gone...McCain killed that possiblity.

Obama/Biden '08
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

NO Democrat in their right mind would join this ticket, especially women. Both are against abortion in ANY form including incest and rape. She is a member of the NRA! Opposes healthcare......the list is endless. This is just more of the same, but in a dress or pant suit!
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

NO Democrat in their right mind would join this ticket, especially women. Both are against abortion in ANY form including incest and rape. She is a member of the NRA! Opposes healthcare......the list is endless. This is just more of the same, but in a dress or pant suit!
.... and Palin believes that creationism should be taught in the schools as an alternative theory to evolution. I don't know if she believes the sun revolves around our flat earth or not, but I hope we find out prior to November 4th. :eek:
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

If anything happens to McCain, would you really want this woman to be President? I shudder at the thought! The Republicans have been targeting Obama because of his supposed lack of experience, particularly in foreign affairs. What experience has this woman had? Enough to be VP? Enough to be President? Na, I don't think so.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

If anything happens to McCain, would you really want this woman to be President? I shudder at the thought!

To clarify, like I have said for months now, I would have supported Hillary for President if she would have received the nomination.

If something would happen to Obama, I know Biden would do a great job in leading this country.

If something would happen to McCain, I don't have the same level of confidence.

It was a blatant, obvious pander to Women, and Women should feel insulted.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

McCain's pick of Palin may have been the greatest campaign move on McCain's part thus far though it might backfire.

And...to those Hillary supporters out there who were hoping for '12. It's gone...McCain killed that possiblity.

Obama/Biden '08

Extremely well thought out, Mr. Wright, and balanced. Frankly, there are only a hand full of Obama's supporters at JUB who are capable of looking at issues from both sides....you happen to be one of them....kudos!

I myself am a likely Obama voter, but it is not with alot of enthusiasm....although, he continues to grow on me just not as fast as the kudzu in my yard.

I do think your look into the future is premature. Palin is so green that the biggest concern is her making some big faux pas that could ruin her forever. Think Dan Quayle...he was thought to be the GOP's answer for the next 16 years, and that bombed.....anytime a youngster in political terms is suddenly thrust upon the national scene it is always risky...many ultimately are not ready for prime time. That could be Palin. If Obama loses, even a 4-year older Hillary could potentially dismantle McCain/Palin or Palin/?. Granted, if McCain dies and Palin becomes President, Hillary would no longer make history by being the first female president, but she could still potentially beat 'The Barracuda'. Palin, due to her conservative ideology, is not likely to ever have as strong and vocal a base as Hills among the feminists.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

.... and Palin believes that creationism should be taught in the schools as an alternative theory to evolution.

That is actually a legitimate idea, although science teachers would flip if they had to teach that, would prob. fall to the gym teachers, I mean, what they are the fallguys for subjects other teachers don't want;)
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Padin is not presidential material, senate/congress, yes, VP, MAYBE, but not presidential. Biden on the other hand, although extremely aggressive, has years of experience with politics and dealing with the Republicans, and he will be one of the most instrumental parts in dissolving the antiquated policies from the Reign of Bush.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

That is actually a legitimate idea, although science teachers would flip if they had to teach that, would prob. fall to the gym teachers, I mean, what they are the fallguys for subjects other teachers don't want;)

Science teachers would flip because creationism is inconsistent with the scientific method. So, if they taught it, it would be to show what a lot of crap it is.

No one's suggesting kids shouldn't be exposed to creationist ideas, just that ideas that have little or not scientific foundation shouldn't be taught as if they were scientifically credible.

That's what folk who want creatism and intelligent design taught in school are talking about.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Science teachers would flip because creationism is inconsistent with the scientific method. So, if they taught it, it would be to show what a lot of crap it is.

No one's suggesting kids shouldn't be exposed to creationist ideas, just that ideas that have little or not scientific foundation shouldn't be taught as if they were scientifically credible.

That's what folk who want creatism and intelligent design taught in school are talking about.

If you're gonna teach "creationism" in schools, then you better be prepared to teach it, not only according to Christian precepts, but also according other non-Christian spiritual philosophies.

What's the Buddhist, Wiccan, Norse, Greek, Babylonian, Hindu, African versions of how the world came to be?
How many bible thumpers are gonna allow that to be taught to their children in public schools?
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Extremely well thought out, Mr. Wright, and balanced. Frankly, there are only a hand full of Obama's supporters at JUB who are capable of looking at issues from both sides....you happen to be one of them....kudos!

Thank you;) I try.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

I do think your look into the future is premature. Palin is so green that the biggest concern is her making some big faux pas that could ruin her forever. Think Dan Quayle...he was thought to be the GOP's answer for the next 16 years, and that bombed.....anytime a youngster in political terms is suddenly thrust upon the national scene it is always risky...many ultimately are not ready for prime time. That could be Palin. If Obama loses, even a 4-year older Hillary could potentially dismantle McCain/Palin or Palin/?. Granted, if McCain dies and Palin becomes President, Hillary would no longer make history by being the first female president, but she could still potentially beat 'The Barracuda'. Palin, due to her conservative ideology, is not likely to ever have as strong and vocal a base as Hills among the feminists.

You actually make an excellent point with Quayle and this could be Palin's fate too. I still feel though that Hillary's appeal becomes slightly diminished against Palin but as you said Hillary's base is strong and it won't most likely convert in a Palin/Hillary battle. However, some will and that still weakens her.

I was rather passively supporting Obama but as Palin's added to the ticket I'm seriously worried for the Democrats so I'm not just passive anymore.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

If you're gonna teach "creationism" in schools, then you better be prepared to teach it, not only according to Christian precepts, but also according other non-Christian spiritual philosophies.

What's the Buddhist, Wiccan, Norse, Greek, Babylonian, Hindu, African versions of how the world came to be?
How many bible thumpers are gonna allow that to be taught to their children in public schools?

Maybe I didn't express myself very well. I don't disagree with what you're saying.

I don't see a problem in telling kids about creationism in a comparative religions class, which actually doesn't need to deal with every known religious thought out there.

But that isn't good enough for most folk who want creationism taught in schools and as scientifically viable.

I assume the Lady Palin falls into that category.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Maybe I didn't express myself very well. I don't disagree with what you're saying.

I don't see a problem in telling kids about creationism in a comparative religions class, which actually doesn't need to deal with every known religious thought out there.

But that isn't good enough for most folk who want creationism taught in schools and as scientifically viable.

I assume the Lady Palin falls into that category.

I have precisely the same point of view. The only problem is that this will not please the Religious Right who treats Creationism as absolute fact.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Palin will be another Quayle I fear. After she is VP for the next four years. Oh and on a side note ya'll better come up with something other than Hillary if you dont plan on pissing away the next sure thing for Democrats.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Prior to being elected governor, Palin supported the 1998 constitutional amendment barring marriage for same-sex couples and has said she would support a ballot measure overturning a state supreme court decision mandating benefits for domestic partners of state employees

http://www.hrc.org/11140.htm

So, whereas it's OK for married straights to get benefits, Palin doesn't think gay couples should get them.

Kinda makes sense, if you're a homophobic bigot.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

Both Creationism as well as Evolution should be taught as theories, as neither have been proven, and chances are mankind will be long dead before we do.

I honestly think an optional religion class wouldn't be too bad in highschool. It would show the students their options spiritually in the world, and will probably help them figure out who they are, not who their parents want them to be.
 
Re: McCain's VP: A Genius move and yet transparent

^ The difference is that evolution is a scientific theory that can be tested, developed and even changed or replaced by scientific methods.

Creationism and intelligent design aren't scientific theories in that they involve speculation but little, if any, substantive scientific verification.

If, like evolution, creationism and intelligent design could be verified by the same scientific methods used to see if a plane will fly or crash, no one would have a problem with teaching those theories on a par with evolution.
 
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