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Messed in the head

Kul
Your JUB buddies here have said more than I could ever say.
I'm sorry there's pain, Kul.
It hurts, but just observe it.
It'll go back out, the same way it came in - through the door that you opened. And please keep it open.
Shut that door and everybody loses mate, 'cause you're lovely, and there's someone who deserves the chance to know you that way.
In the meantime, more hugs from another JUB-mate, Kul.(*8*)

Ray
 
I just read your blog.

Christ, could he be more apathetic and a borderline narcissist.

Here he's dumping you, essentially, and he's asking you "what do you like about me?" "you still want me?" - I mean the set he has on him to be asking things like that.

Were I you I wouldn't contact him anymore. If he wants to keep a friendship, let him initiate it.

If he's the way I think he is, people like that feed off of stuff like this. It makes them feel important and needed.

Wow, I mean, wow.
 
Kulindahr a question? Why is it about your life and your opinion of yourself its all or nothing, why do you deal with such absolutes?

You don't apply these standards to other people, but with yourself its All or Nothing, you don't allow a middle ground.
 
I read your latest blog entry -- sounds like this guy is a jerk. One of these guys who likes attention from gay guys but has no intention of doing anything about it. A cock tease in other words.

Just keep in mind that rejection comes with the territory when you're gay. That's a very hard truth but we all have to learn it. Keep trying and I guarantee you will connect with somebody.

In the meantime I enjoy your posts, keep them coming.

(*8*) or even :sex: if I could teleport myself to where you are!
 
I just read your blog.

Christ, could he be more apathetic and a borderline narcissist.

Here he's dumping you, essentially, and he's asking you "what do you like about me?" "you still want me?" - I mean the set he has on him to be asking things like that.

Were I you I wouldn't contact him anymore. If he wants to keep a friendship, let him initiate it.

If he's the way I think he is, people like that feed off of stuff like this. It makes them feel important and needed.

Wow, I mean, wow.

Huh.
I took it that he expected me to be mad and just yell at him; from what I understand, that's what his boyfriends have always done. It seemed to me he was surprised.
Or insecure -- that was like the third "You still want me?" text I'd gotten since we started really communicating -- like after I was in Salem once and tried and tried to get together and for reasons on his side that didn't work out, and after that roommate followed him and all.
I sent him a "good morning" text this morning and got a "Thanks! :-)" back. My first thought is like, "'Thanks' for saying 'good morning'?" And later I wondered if he isn't sure about this thing with the chick and wants a ready backup.
For a long time last night I couldn't sleep, and my mind kept inventing reasons why it was my fault -- programming from growing up, there.

Making him feel important is an interesting conjecture. My first reaction is to say "No way", because with all the people he knows, says hi to, and dances with at just the bar here in Salem, he must feel like a celebrity anyway. But it's an angle I can add to the mix.
 
Kulindahr a question? Why is it about your life and your opinion of yourself its all or nothing, why do you deal with such absolutes?

You don't apply these standards to other people, but with yourself its All or Nothing, you don't allow a middle ground.

I know.
For small things, I've gotten over that. It was so woven into me that when bipolar disorder kicked in on me, if I broke a nail clipping them my whole world went black. Growing up, it was like if I wasn't perfect, I was nothing.

I've gotten to where I can make progress -- five years ago, a crash like this would have sent me back to feeling worthless on any level, but right now I'd have no trouble going to my favorite Portland bar and interacting with people -- though my trust level would be down (that seems to happen a lot since I've been out). I guess my reaction now is more of, "He hurt me bad and I feel like a loser" instead of "He hurt me bad and I'm such a loser all men will".

Early in coming out I remember a night when I arranged a hook-up (think "whore phase") only to arrive at the address and find a vacant lot. My reaction was that all gay men are evil, they don't see others as people (just 'meat'), I'm not valuable enough to deserve a real friendship/relationship/encounter. Then I started going to bars and learned that even at the ones that are serious meat markets there are gems of guys -- and that lesson has stuck; one guy treating me like something to be used or walked on doesn't generalize for me to all, or make me feel like all men feel that way. But when it's totally new territory....

When it hit me I'd been on a date, I was soaring. I was in territory where not only didn't I have my feet on the ground, I wasn't sure I had feet any more, just wings. I keep trying to recall those feelings; maybe if I'd been able to get them into my blog 'before', I'd have more of an anchor here. All I can grab is that feeling of being like Icarus, riding high on wings I'd never thought I could possess... but then like Icarus, and unlike, my wings failed -- not melted, but sheered off. I'm left terrified of ever touching wings again... though unlike five years ago when I wouldn't even have felt like ever walking again, I'm grafting on new feet and, while I expect them to feel tender, planning to walk.
But anyone who comes along handing me wings is getting greeted with suspicion -- that's not a rational decision, and it may cost me, but until I can get past this all-or-nothing programming, that's how I function.

Though maybe it isn't quite all-or-nothing: thinking in terms of steps, five years ago something like this would have knocked me back worse -- like, twenty steps forward, nineteen tumbled back -- but now I can look back and evaluate it as more on the order of twenty steps forward, twelve back... still crappy, but a lot better.

And looking at that I'm not satisfied I made sense of what I was after, at all, but there it is.
 
Man, I'm sorry to hear this. Don't lose faith--there's someone out there. Hopefully, the next one will like guys and 1) know it and 2) not change his mind!

(*8*)

Or at least be willing to share! If it meant having him, I woulda made it with the gal, too.
It may be partly, or mostly, her, come to think of it. With his last bf, he was up for hand jobs and giving head, and they were okay with that. Something for me to think about.
 
Update:

I decided that, all things being considered, a little wild abandon and change of scenery were in order. So I switched cities and have arrived in my fave bar in the entire world, the Red Cap Garage and Service Bar (hmmm... I did get 'serviced' here once, come to think of it).

If you've read my blog, you know what this place has meant for me and done for me. Well, it did again: I crossed that threshold, and got the feeling of home, safety, possibilities, of being okay just being me. I got greeted by the bartender, by name, who offered up my regular first drink of the evening, and knew that after a bit I'd want some food. He checked their wireless to be sure it was on, too! (Which meant getting up on a table, and with the low jeans he wears, gave me a pleasant view -- which I explored with a finger, and he just smiled at me.)

Like a good bartender, he could tell something was 'off', and listened to my brief summary, and patted my hand.

Things are okay again: I don't have my own home, but that's fine for now, and the business opportunity that came my way recently looks possible again. Going back to Tillamook isn't as scary as it was... though I'm thinking about getting my CHL (concealed handgun license) -- as the Pink Pistols' motto goes, "Armed gays don;t get bashed."

Maybe I'll get a bit wasted, cry on a shoulder, dance with my dick out (it IS Mardi Gras, after all), and try for someone to go home with. Waking up in friendly arms would do wonders, IMHO.

The hurt and all that crap is still there, but another part of me is back again from the shock and regarding the crap with mild defiance. I may not have my wings back, but I think I can at least dance again.
 
Have a good time!(!)
Enjoy yourself!:sex:
And good luck with the business opportunity!..|

Working on it!
Already had a drink and a burger, groped the cute bartender, got a second drink, and am dancing in my seat! Also said hi to a dude I know and met his HAWT Hispanic friend (tight jeans and a bulge that could give the volcanic ridges in Hawaii competition!)

With good luck, the business opportunity could bring me an extra $300/mo next month, $650 the next, and $1000 by summer!
Then I have to work to maintain it....
 
I know.
For small things, I've gotten over that. It was so woven into me that when bipolar disorder kicked in on me, if I broke a nail clipping them my whole world went black. Growing up, it was like if I wasn't perfect, I was nothing.
Bipolar and it being habit. That explains it. Part of me won't understand for while I know depression, I don't know the mania that makes the depression even worse due to how it switches and how the two different states are so different yet they reinforce each other. I will try to imagine though and empathize.
I've gotten to where I can make progress -- five years ago, a crash like this would have sent me back to feeling worthless on any level, but right now I'd have no trouble going to my favorite Portland bar and interacting with people -- though my trust level would be down (that seems to happen a lot since I've been out). I guess my reaction now is more of, "He hurt me bad and I feel like a loser" instead of "He hurt me bad and I'm such a loser all men will".
Kulindahr its okay to feel pain, honestly it is. You have so trained yourself not to feel pain, that you always feel pain. Pain occurs due to stimuli in your enviroment, it needs to be dealt with/acknowledge and afterwards the pain will subsidy.

What you need to do is recognize you are hurting, but do not allow the pain to control your life. Go to the bar and have fun, be around people. You will still hurt, but its far better than moping around in your house, pretending you aren't hurting when you really are. The second option last longer and is more painful.
Early in coming out I remember a night when I arranged a hook-up (think "whore phase") only to arrive at the address and find a vacant lot. My reaction was that all gay men are evil, they don't see others as people (just 'meat'), I'm not valuable enough to deserve a real friendship/relationship/encounter. Then I started going to bars and learned that even at the ones that are serious meat markets there are gems of guys -- and that lesson has stuck; one guy treating me like something to be used or walked on doesn't generalize for me to all, or make me feel like all men feel that way. But when it's totally new territory....
You know this is complete and uttter bullshit? Well of course you know this rationally, but you need some people to repeat it too you. Your emotional mind doesn't always trust your rational mind.

That is complete and utter bullshit Kullinhdar, gay men are just like straight men and straight women. We want to be loved, appreciated, and valued. We are capable of relationships for we want these things, yet at the same time we are capable of relationships, we aren't flawed. Just because your experience so far in the past haven't been a bed of roses, doesn't mean you have the right to pain the world in a false light.

Sorry if I was a little loud in the previous paragraphs :-)
When it hit me I'd been on a date, I was soaring. I was in territory where not only didn't I have my feet on the ground, I wasn't sure I had feet any more, just wings. I keep trying to recall those feelings; maybe if I'd been able to get them into my blog 'before', I'd have more of an anchor here. All I can grab is that feeling of being like Icarus, riding high on wings I'd never thought I could possess... but then like Icarus, and unlike, my wings failed -- not melted, but sheered off. I'm left terrified of ever touching wings again... though unlike five years ago when I wouldn't even have felt like ever walking again, I'm grafting on new feet and, while I expect them to feel tender, planning to walk.
But anyone who comes along handing me wings is getting greeted with suspicion -- that's not a rational decision, and it may cost me, but until I can get past this all-or-nothing programming, that's how I function.
You don't need others to give you wings Kullihdahr, you have them already, you just don't realize it. Instead other people will be your instructors they will help you during your first encounters of using your wings. It is much the same as a parent is usually there to teach you how to ride a bike.

You got wings Kulindahr, you just haven't realized it yet.
Though maybe it isn't quite all-or-nothing: thinking in terms of steps, five years ago something like this would have knocked me back worse -- like, twenty steps forward, nineteen tumbled back -- but now I can look back and evaluate it as more on the order of twenty steps forward, twelve back... still crappy, but a lot better.
Yes you are doing all or nothing. You are saying I won't have a date for another 14 months. You actually say I "probably" but reading between the words it sounds like you believe in fate and predetermined destiny more than a greek audience did in one of there "Greek tragedies"

Set yourself up to fall and you will fall. Take baby steps, and when you fall back realize you fall back instead of comparing how different your maniac and your depressive sides are. They are both part of you, you can't change them over night, but realizing you are allowing your emotional swings to set your expectations make you a a prisoner to those emotional swings. If you are a prisoner you will never be happy.

Of course Kullindhar you will be happy, once you learn to stop seeing the world in such an absolute vison of I will not be happy. You are so afraid of not being happy that it defines your life, it defines you. You think you are pre-emptively preventing yourself from hurting, you are.

But in reality you are just causing yourself to suffer...all the time
And looking at that I'm not satisfied I made sense of what I was after, at all, but there it is.
Believe it or not, it made perfect sense :) Believe it or not I been there and still am dealing with it and growing.

Part of me is still playing catch up, I know in my rational mind that the world is a good place, I am a good person that has value, and is capable of being loved. Yet at the same time my emotional mind still doubts it, I have been growing a lot these last few years, my emotional mind has been catching up from so many years of neglect and abuse, yet I still have my relapses !oops!

So trust me Kulindahr it makes sense and I understand :D
 
Update:
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Great news, you are doing everything you should be doing. I believe the night calls for (besides booze, dancing, and fun) some hot spicy food and a little chocolate. It is mardi-gra after all, have fun :twisted:
 
Well, the burger I had was loaded with jalapenos, red peppers, black pepper, and mushrooms, and that cute bartender just added some chocolate mint liquer to my already alcohol-laden coffee.

How'm I doin'?



* looks around for someone to grope *
 
Sounds like you have a good time, keep it up...

Furthermore you don't grope one person, you grope two people, you have two hands correct :twisted:
 
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