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Michael Jackson [merged]

Favorite Michael Jackson song?

  • Thriller

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Beat It

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Billie Jean

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Smooth Criminal

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Black or White

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • You Are Not Alone

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rock With You

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Other (specify in a comment)

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

Stuck in a spider web in a cemetary is Louisiana....
































How the hell should I know?
LMAO!!! :p

well, they could sell their stories for $$$ if they are really victims. ;)
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

^Yeah, nobody pays off 25 million to an accuser because he's innocent. He had a history of child molestation charges. That wasn't the only one. I'm sure that a grown man that fancies himself to be Peter Pan, has an amusement park, a kid's paradise for a mansion and slept with 12 year old boys must be gay or straight. Gimme a break. Unless you have slept in his bed (which you wouldn't have because you were too old) he appears to be a pedo. Now, if he had said he shared his bed with adults, we wouldn't be talking about this.
I couldn't even picture him with a man or a woman = pedo. LOL

I read something about Michael's insurance company paying the settlement against his will.
 
Re: RIP michael jackson!

^^^ If this is a bore than why are you taking the time to quote every word I said?!!! Just like your points this makes no sense either. OMG!!! LOL. You still made no valid points and I keep waiting for you to say anything that could change my mind. Can someone else take over for him? No point in you responding. And Debbie doesn't want the kids. And Neverland still can't be compared to Disneyland. Neverland is a private residents created by Michael Jackson. Disneyland is open to....hold up, let me stop. No point in this. You won't get it.

You BD4 are being quoted because you are an asshole. He did more good than what you may have heard was bad.

It was not what you believe but what he di to keep his sanity. He tried to much to please everyone else except himself.

Plus, your nose looks like it is about to fall off. You best call MAACO for the rear end collision you keep causing !!!
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

My thought has long been that part of his perpetual childhood caused him to love boys nearly as unconditionally as is humanly possible.

I've never thought of him as gay, but underdeveloped or UNDEVELOPED sexually. I think he spent the nights with these boys in the same bed, in his arms held close, but without any kind of sex whatsoever. I think that, if the boys were harmed, it was more likely because they were taken away from a loving (and non-abusive) situation, and the reactions that followed. It appears that, often, the boys who stayed with MJ came from households which were abusive or, at the very least, cared little about the child's welfare.

On the other hand, it's generally true that too much of ANYTHING can be a bad thing - and that's probably even true of love. However, I again think MJ was undeveloped in many ways, and in many ways he and the boys were EQUALLY or similarly children.

I actually KNOW somebody who is similar to that. He is like a child in many ways, though he's 55 or 56 years old. He doesn't hang out with children, but he wants to hug almost endlessly, yet I don't believe he's sexual in any way.

There was one time many years ago, after a lot of hugging, that I asked him whether he was interested in doing anything sexual, and immediately his face broke into one of the most puzzled and perplexed looks I remember seeing in anybody, and he admitted that he didn't understand what sex was at all. He wasn't offended - he wasn't appalled - he just had NO CLUE what I was talking about.

Years later he told me that he has NEVER masturbated, nor had any kind of orgasm, and he has no idea what it's like. Apparently not even wet dreams...

I also think my friend has Asperger's Syndrome, and I wonder if MJ has ever had such a diagnosis? Autism can result in a very unusual mix of personality traits.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

People want to tear down people that don't fit in the 'norm.'

I think that's what's really going on here.

Maybe some evidence will appear in the many "tell all" books we'll soon see. But, as it stands now, MJ can't fairly be called either gay, or a pedophile. Just weird, and talented.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

If anyone here believes the 'he was a paedophile' accusations, do a little research and you'll soon find, in no longer than 5 minutes, that it was all a load of crap.

You'll learn that some of the children were paid to lie, one of their mothers was filmed saying she was going to make money off of Michael Jackson, Macauly Culkin didn't have a bad word to say about him and you'll learn that all they wanted was to make money off him. If you watch the alternate Martin Bashir interview with all the unused (and unedited) footage, they even interview one of the mothers and she is singing his praises.

If we make you sick for thinking he was a nice man, you make me sick for believing everything you read in the papers. It's all lies and you're an idiot.

He was a man who loved the world and wanted to help and evil people just wanted to take advantage. His death really upset me and I haven't stopped thinking about it, if you have negative things to say, start a MJ hate forum and voice your opinion there because most people here don't want to hear it.

And yes, in my honest opinion, I believe he was either gay or asexual.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

All the people who were close to him, and had nothing to gain, like Elizabeth Taylor and so many others, have nothing but the kindest words for their personal friend.

I think the future will show he was a big-hearted, generous, talented genius. And he was a one of a kind, weird eccentric.
 
Re: RIP michael jackson!

Good lord, whether you liked his music or not, or believed he was innocent or not, can we keep some perspective here people? MICHAEL FUCKING JACKSON DIED! I refuse to believe there's anyone here who doesn't understand the enormous and indelible impact he made (and left forever) on pop music*, and especially on black entertainers breaking into the mainstream. Effects that are still rippling today. Even those who don't like his music understand this isn't a mere death. It's a severe rupture in pop culture's tectonic plates.

I spoke to my mother for hours after his death was announced (and we listened to his songs together) and like many baby boomers, she is appropriately shaken by the loss. Talking to her though was like experiencing his life as lived through his success in a flashback by someone old enough to remember all of it. She didn't take to the Jackson Five at first. There was a (now mercifully mostly forgotten, she'd like you to know) sub-genre of music in the late 60s called bubblegum -- The Archies' Sugar Sugar was the height/nadir of it -- and I Want You Back and ABC seemed to her just a black variation on it. "But," she whispered conspiratorially, "catchy pop music is easy to get stuck in your head" and by the time The Love You Save came along, she was enjoying it.

Throughout the 70s, Michael started striking out on his own, doing more and more ambitious stuff, and became clearly a major solo pop star. This alone would make him someone whose death today would be noted. But he had another, major leap in fame to make, and Thriller was it.

My own knowledge of pop-culture history, my mother's recounting, and wikipedia, all delineate two levels to the Thriller phenomenon. First, the album was released, and it sold very well -- but it wouldn't have right away qualified as industry legend. What happened to change that was, some months into the release, TV ran a Motown 25th anniversary special, which baby-boomers like my parents watched avidly. And, right near the end of the show, Michael came on and moonwalked to Billie Jean. "He killed!" my mum assured me with utter conviction and wistfulness. For a lot of (especially white) folks, this was the first time they'd viewed Jackson as some kind of major talent worth their notice. Thriller's sales soared thereafter; single after single hit the charts, and the album became the biggest ever, a distinction it still holds.

My mother remembers riding by the NY Museum of Natural History the night they were honoring the album's unprecedented sales. "It was a mob scene!" she recalls and she remembers a friend commented it was maybe the first time in the entertainment field that a black guy had become the undisputed biggest deal in the industry.

"I think I'd prefer to remember him that way," she said finally, and indeed the sentiment is easy to understand. The ugly accusations that followed (never proved but never really disbelieved, either) made his life probably not a very pleasant thing. In fact, I have to wonder how much of his life was ever enjoyable. We know he was robbed of his childhood, and reviled by many in adulthood. Did the artistic successes and fame balance all that out? (I've always found it appropriate that Elizabeth Taylor was such a close friend of his. She was one of the few alive who could empathize with every element of his experience: fame at a young age, massively bigger fame later on, and public rejection because of scandal)

And I must mention one other very important contribution from Michael Jackson to the world of pop-culture that my mother reminded me of (and one that's closer to my generation's cultural understanding of the star), and that's his videos. Specifically, "Beat It", "Billie Jean", and the 20 minute opus that is "Thriller". Without them, the Thriller album wouldn't have crossed over to the extent that it did... meaning: the white audience, which is ironic. And it had a symbiotic effect, raising MTV's stature and prominence in early 80s American pop culture as well, which is equally ironic. Both results are equally ironic because MTV initially refused to air Michael Jackson's videos because they wanted to stick to an all-white playlist.

That aside, the three videos were instrumental in elevating Jackson into a cultural phenomenom and an icon on the level of Frank Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles and Madonna, in which effervescent image is part and parcel of the musical legend. Plus, the videos are just damn good videos and continue to hold up today.

Yoko Ono is probably thrilled today, but she has her reasons. Anyone else who is able to look beyond the media projected "freak show" he became - and yes, it is difficult - can recognize the artist and the figure he was. I assumed he'd be around somewhere in the background of my life for as long as I was around. There's something about icons that we take their mortality for granted.


What's the final word on Michael Jackson? Leave that to the historians. I'm just going to sit here humming Billie Jean, and fondly remember one of the singular talents of two generations.


(*I suggest anyone who didn't follow Jackson's music to go to Amazon and listen to some 30 second samples from a Greatest Hits collection. You'll be amazed at how many songs there are you didn't know you knew.)



You're so awesome. Do you want to get married?
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

All the people who were close to him, and had nothing to gain have nothing but the kindest words for their personal friend.

Ditto for Rush Limbaugh. And O'Reilly. And Hitler, if you look at German historical records.

And there's always something to gain for celebrities speaking on behalf of other celebritities; publicity.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

Oh you're very naive if you think that! Firstly, his music is storming the worlds charts again which is kinda resurrecting his career in a way he sadly couldn't manage alive. The new UK chart has him at No1 with his Number ones album AND No7 with Thriller. I hear he's also set to top the Billboard charts too.

But the stories, scandals and shocking revelations will run and run for years I suspect. It's already coming out that he isn't the real father of his children. And there's tons more that will gradually come out.

A few days? A few years at least I'd say.
Most of this stuff is fake I hope you know. Most of it isn't to be believed.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

No, he wasn't. As some commenters have said, he was more of an asexual kind. Sleeping with kids was more of reliving the childhood that he never had. Debbie said in an interview that they never had sex. Although Lisa has said that they had sex, maybe she is lying to protect his image as she compared him to her father and wanted to save him.

He really had some rare physical and psychological issues and truth will come out pretty soon.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

Yeah, they do.

How? It's amazing how people always manage to equate gender roles to sexuality; the reality is that they are not interchangeable, especially when gender roles are constantly changing.

my opinion is that MJ was more than likely asexual. There have been rumors that he was castrated as a child. It might explain the asexuality, his "childlike" nature and the voice, which is what it was all about in the first place.

A person does not have to be castrated to be asexual. Also, castration is not the same as asexuality. Finally, being asexual does not have anything to do with the pitch of one's voice, which he manipulated in public, by the way.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

It's your personal opinion he was a pedophile. I don't believe it, and a jury didn't believe it as well. It has been shown that the people who got money were oportunistic evils who scammed him for some money.

In the last trial I thought the accusers were opportunistic and that was the reason the jury didn't go along with the charges. However, in the case that got the most publicity millions of dollars in hush money was paid to avoid a lawsuit. Strange behavior: you're accused of a terrible crime and you respond by giving your accuser a pile of money.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

However, in the case that got the most publicity millions of dollars in hush money was paid to avoid a lawsuit.

Not quite factual. The money was paid to avoid having the boy testify in a criminal proceeding.

Strange behavior: you're accused of a terrible crime and you respond by giving your accuser a pile of money.

Not so strange. It's done. What's strange is when you pay your accuser more than he initially asked for.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

Remember there was a picture of a chamber where he sleeps in to live forever?
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

Innocent until you pay it off so that it goes away. If I were him and innocent of those charges...I would have fought and NEVER have paid it off.
Hey, you can believe whatever you want to believe. You have your opinion and I have mine. Yeah, he did impact the world and he made some incredible music.

I'm tired, it's late and I'm drunk. Night....
Well, he did fight it the second time and guess what -- he won...

There can be all kinds of factors that go into the decision to contest or not contest a lawsuit. Not least the opinions of whoever is advising you at the time.

MJ wasn't the first celebrity and won't be the last to be tried, convicted, and sentenced in the media by people who don't have one iota of inside information about what his real life was like behind closed doors.

Considering the millions of bucks that are available to anybody who has conclusive proof that he was a pedophile, you'd think really damning evidence would have surfaced by now, if there is any.

Maybe 10 or 20 years from now it will be possible to get an objective picture of who he really was. But quite possibly not -- look at Princess Di, another media obsession who people are still arguing about 10 years after her death...
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

This isn't surprising. The father was interviewed at the BET Music Awards about his sons death. He cared less that Michael was dead was more concerned about plugging his new Blu Ray.

So so sad.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

Oh you're very naive if you think that! Firstly, his music is storming the worlds charts again which is kinda resurrecting his career in a way he sadly couldn't manage alive. The new UK chart has him at No1 with his Number ones album AND No7 with Thriller. I hear he's also set to top the Billboard charts too...

MJ toped the iTunes top 40 chart this weekend and made quite a few entries in other top 40 charts.

guardian.co.uk said:
His death has revived interest in his music, which over the weekend was blaring out of shops and cars across the world. On ITunes Stores, Jackson accounted for 40 of the top 100 songs, nine of the top 15 albums and 25 of the top 30 music video downloads.

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It was also revealed that he left his children over 200 unpublished songs to safeguard their economic future worth over aprox £60million

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/110706/Michael-s-200-secret-songs-for-his-family
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

There are a lot of issues and problems with the statements made in this thread. It is very sad that people feel the need to be so judgemental without really knowing what is true and what was not true. But we all have our own issues to deal with and I'm sure the opions here have something to do with that. That does nto make it right but it may explain it to some degree.
 
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