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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
I think some of those kids were fucking lying on him for dough.
I think some of those kids were fucking lying on him for dough.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
Big fan of his music, the MJ South Park episode killed him for me though, I don't think I ever laughed that loud to a tv show, it was so mean
Big fan of his music, the MJ South Park episode killed him for me though, I don't think I ever laughed that loud to a tv show, it was so mean
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
I respect the talent that was his music. You can criticize him all you want, but his music is legendary, and your one opinion that you thought it sucked isn't relevant to the reality of its acclaim.
As for the man, he was deeply flawed. He was a drug addict, terrible with his money, manipulated, and coddled. His relationships with young boys was inappropriate, regardless if you think sexual abuse happened or not. He was a grown ass man, and being an apologist to his regressive "childlike" state is of no benefit to him. He's dead; it was an orchestration following a series of unfortunate events that were self-inflicted.
I respect the talent that was his music. You can criticize him all you want, but his music is legendary, and your one opinion that you thought it sucked isn't relevant to the reality of its acclaim.
As for the man, he was deeply flawed. He was a drug addict, terrible with his money, manipulated, and coddled. His relationships with young boys was inappropriate, regardless if you think sexual abuse happened or not. He was a grown ass man, and being an apologist to his regressive "childlike" state is of no benefit to him. He's dead; it was an orchestration following a series of unfortunate events that were self-inflicted.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
I thought of him as a very talented artist. He certainly changed the definition of music videos... My god, I remember when Thriller first aired. EVERYONE had their VCR set to record it. I also think he looked his best on the Thriller album, he should have stopped with the surgeries at that point. Some of his music, in particular the Earth song, touched me deeply. Sometimes, in his videos, I wished that he could have had the power to set the world right.
But he was also a very tragic and flawed person. I was truly sad when he died, but at the same time he was finally released from the strange prison of his life.
I thought of him as a very talented artist. He certainly changed the definition of music videos... My god, I remember when Thriller first aired. EVERYONE had their VCR set to record it. I also think he looked his best on the Thriller album, he should have stopped with the surgeries at that point. Some of his music, in particular the Earth song, touched me deeply. Sometimes, in his videos, I wished that he could have had the power to set the world right.
But he was also a very tragic and flawed person. I was truly sad when he died, but at the same time he was finally released from the strange prison of his life.
mrbeebs
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
and Janet just as damn crazy
and Janet just as damn crazy
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
If we are to believe even half of what is written about him, he was both a victim and a victimizer.
He became a freak of nature because he was raised by freaks and handled by freaks. To most of them, he seemed to be nothing more than a gravy train.
If we are to believe even half of what is written about him, he was both a victim and a victimizer.
He became a freak of nature because he was raised by freaks and handled by freaks. To most of them, he seemed to be nothing more than a gravy train.
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I agree with you. I think Oprah falls under this same category of people love to hate her, but when push really comes to shove, what they really hate is someone being that big, that famous, and that hard to ignore. Oprah's done a lot of good as well, despite the fact that she's so popular to hate. I remember this surreal criticism I read of her from someone when she did that program of fully funding new homes for victims displaced by Hurricane Katrina, and her only stipulation was that they had to put in a little time working on the house. The critic said this showed what a petty person she was that she didn't just give them fully built houses-- yet I could not help but wondering if the person saying this had lifted any finger or their wallet for the victims.
I think so too. If I had been molested my parents would have never accepted money instead of prosecution. Ever. And I don't even think of my parents as particular saints.
I agree with you. I think Oprah falls under this same category of people love to hate her, but when push really comes to shove, what they really hate is someone being that big, that famous, and that hard to ignore. Oprah's done a lot of good as well, despite the fact that she's so popular to hate. I remember this surreal criticism I read of her from someone when she did that program of fully funding new homes for victims displaced by Hurricane Katrina, and her only stipulation was that they had to put in a little time working on the house. The critic said this showed what a petty person she was that she didn't just give them fully built houses-- yet I could not help but wondering if the person saying this had lifted any finger or their wallet for the victims.
I think so too. If I had been molested my parents would have never accepted money instead of prosecution. Ever. And I don't even think of my parents as particular saints.
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So true..I wonder the same thing when the critics tear down someone who has done so much good for humanity. I hold humanitarians in high regard and I too wonder what the critic has done to make the world a better place.
The phenomenon of building people up and then tearing them down sucks. I have never really understood it.
So true..I wonder the same thing when the critics tear down someone who has done so much good for humanity. I hold humanitarians in high regard and I too wonder what the critic has done to make the world a better place.
The phenomenon of building people up and then tearing them down sucks. I have never really understood it.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
I wasn't that enamoured of his stage presence, but, songwise, his early 1980's stuff I thought was his best. In particular Billy Jean which I think is my favourite out of all his stuff.
I wasn't that enamoured of his stage presence, but, songwise, his early 1980's stuff I thought was his best. In particular Billy Jean which I think is my favourite out of all his stuff.
Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
My opinion on him is that he was the very personification of the concept "overrated". Mediocre vocalist, mediocre composer and even more mediocre dancer who somehow managed to take his incongruous Messianic megalomania to unparallelled heights, thanks to a less than discerning public who will stare in awe at anything that they're told is amazing.
If I have to hear single more person saying "he was so pure", "he was so good" or anything of that sort, I am going to vomit. He was a proven pedophile who was saved by the racial victimization he shamelessly exploited whenever someone criticized him for his actions (curious, when you take into account that he so desperately wanted to be Caucasian), the best legal representation that money can buy and, during his second trial, the prosecution's sheer stupidity and incompetence.
And please, a charity single doesn't make anyone a saint - have you not learned anything from execrable media manipulators like Bono, Sean Penn or Angelina Jolie? These individuals use the suffering of others to promote themselves, and seek sainthood in the process while pretending to criticize the same system they carelessly perpetuate, because it has made them wealthy and powerful. Returning to Michael Jackson, he squandered outrageous amounts of money on whimsical purchases, an increasingly luxurious lifestyle that even someone with his level of income couldn't support, and "parties" with children where "Jesus Juice" (and, I have no doubt, other types of juices) ran free. What exactly did he do for the poor and destitute of the world? Mention them once or twice during promotional interviews, between complaining about how life had mistreated him and inviting people to buy his albums?
Honestly, some people have bizarre ideas about what being a "humanitarian" truly consists of. Oh. and it's not called building people up and then tearing them down. It's called calling them on their self-aggrandizing bullshit.
My opinion on him is that he was the very personification of the concept "overrated". Mediocre vocalist, mediocre composer and even more mediocre dancer who somehow managed to take his incongruous Messianic megalomania to unparallelled heights, thanks to a less than discerning public who will stare in awe at anything that they're told is amazing.
If I have to hear single more person saying "he was so pure", "he was so good" or anything of that sort, I am going to vomit. He was a proven pedophile who was saved by the racial victimization he shamelessly exploited whenever someone criticized him for his actions (curious, when you take into account that he so desperately wanted to be Caucasian), the best legal representation that money can buy and, during his second trial, the prosecution's sheer stupidity and incompetence.
And please, a charity single doesn't make anyone a saint - have you not learned anything from execrable media manipulators like Bono, Sean Penn or Angelina Jolie? These individuals use the suffering of others to promote themselves, and seek sainthood in the process while pretending to criticize the same system they carelessly perpetuate, because it has made them wealthy and powerful. Returning to Michael Jackson, he squandered outrageous amounts of money on whimsical purchases, an increasingly luxurious lifestyle that even someone with his level of income couldn't support, and "parties" with children where "Jesus Juice" (and, I have no doubt, other types of juices) ran free. What exactly did he do for the poor and destitute of the world? Mention them once or twice during promotional interviews, between complaining about how life had mistreated him and inviting people to buy his albums?
Honestly, some people have bizarre ideas about what being a "humanitarian" truly consists of. Oh. and it's not called building people up and then tearing them down. It's called calling them on their self-aggrandizing bullshit.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
That was obviously about the lesbian tennis player, wasn't it.
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Never been a fan of overly judgemental people but it is bearable if the person understands that the vitriol is in fact opinion versus some kind of absolute truth.
...having said that...I read your opinion...I disagree with your assessment...and I hope you are never on my jury.
My opinion on him is that he was the very personification of the concept "overrated". Mediocre vocalist, mediocre composer and even more mediocre dancer who somehow managed to take his incongruous Messianic megalomania to unparallelled heights, thanks to a less than discerning public who will stare in awe at anything that they're told is amazing.
If I have to hear single more person saying "he was so pure", "he was so good" or anything of that sort, I am going to vomit. He was a proven pedophile who was saved by the racial victimization he shamelessly exploited whenever someone criticized him for his actions (curious, when you take into account that he so desperately wanted to be Caucasian), the best legal representation that money can buy and, during his second trial, the prosecution's sheer stupidity and incompetence.
And please, a charity single doesn't make anyone a saint - have you not learned anything from execrable media manipulators like Bono, Sean Penn or Angelina Jolie? These individuals use the suffering of others to promote themselves, and seek sainthood in the process while pretending to criticize the same system they carelessly perpetuate, because it has made them wealthy and powerful. Returning to Michael Jackson, he squandered outrageous amounts of money on whimsical purchases, an increasingly luxurious lifestyle that even someone with his level of income couldn't support, and "parties" with children where "Jesus Juice" (and, I have no doubt, other types of juices) ran free. What exactly did he do for the poor and destitute of the world? Mention them once or twice during promotional interviews, between complaining about how life had mistreated him and inviting people to buy his albums?
Honestly, some people have bizarre ideas about what being a "humanitarian" truly consists of. Oh. and it's not called building people up and then tearing them down. It's called calling them on their self-aggrandizing bullshit.
Never been a fan of overly judgemental people but it is bearable if the person understands that the vitriol is in fact opinion versus some kind of absolute truth.
...having said that...I read your opinion...I disagree with your assessment...and I hope you are never on my jury.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
She looked so like Velma off Scooby Doo.
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great talent
lost soul
never a valid relationship which led to sad pedophile tendencies
lisa marie was a vicious mistake and a liar
closet homosexual
addict
in need of a REAL friend
will never be understood
great talent
lost soul
never a valid relationship which led to sad pedophile tendencies
lisa marie was a vicious mistake and a liar
closet homosexual
addict
in need of a REAL friend
will never be understood
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I guess Scooby Doo was part of his quest to return to the world of children and children's things.
I guess Scooby Doo was part of his quest to return to the world of children and children's things.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
Agree 100 percent with EastOf on this, and let me add the following:
Adurusek81, less is more, so you might want to consider throwing away that thesaurus you got for Christmas.
Agree 100 percent with EastOf on this, and let me add the following:
Adurusek81, less is more, so you might want to consider throwing away that thesaurus you got for Christmas.
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Re: What are your opinions of Michael Jackson?
I think Michael Jackson was a truly talented human being, but he was a product of his surroundings, his family, his celebrity, etc.
I think if the people around him had truly cared about him they would have done everything they could have, to help him get his shit together. But they were only interested in what they could get out of him, not what they could do. DEFINITELY his family are major players in his ultimate demise. ALL of them.
He made some very bad decisions as a grown man, and I won't cut him any slack for that, from the drugs, pedophilia and other personal issues. He needed help, but he wasn't interested in getting it, it seems, and others weren't interested in giving it.
I think if he had been a product of a different environment as a child and a young man, he would have grown to be a different person, but still would have been a talent the world would have remembered like no other. And he would probably still be alive and with us today.
I think Michael Jackson was a truly talented human being, but he was a product of his surroundings, his family, his celebrity, etc.
I think if the people around him had truly cared about him they would have done everything they could have, to help him get his shit together. But they were only interested in what they could get out of him, not what they could do. DEFINITELY his family are major players in his ultimate demise. ALL of them.
He made some very bad decisions as a grown man, and I won't cut him any slack for that, from the drugs, pedophilia and other personal issues. He needed help, but he wasn't interested in getting it, it seems, and others weren't interested in giving it.
I think if he had been a product of a different environment as a child and a young man, he would have grown to be a different person, but still would have been a talent the world would have remembered like no other. And he would probably still be alive and with us today.
