Michael Sam Discussion Thread [MERGED]

[bankside]

You obviously are not paying attention the mainstream white media are supporting sam not the black media. The root.com blasted sam a few weeks ago. Ebony ignored sam. While gq magazine and out magazine put him on the cover. Sam was on dancing with the stars getting paid 100k per episode.The black community is apathetic to sam the straight blacks see him as a disgrace to black manhood and masculinity. The black press are disgusted by Sam I have read a lot of negativity about sam on many black sport boards like coli.com. The straight black men are repulsed by Sam they see him as a disgrace.

So what is Sam supposed to do about that except tell the fuckers to go fuck themselves. It's their problem. He doesn't need to care about that negativity, and their praise would be worth nothing anyway if that's the kind of people in charge of "Ebony" and The Black Community™. If anything that makes it more important that he came out so young men of any colour could see how someone lives his life when he has a pair.

 

[MorrisseyX]

So what is Sam supposed to do about that except tell the fuckers to go fuck themselves. It's their problem. He doesn't need to care about that negativity, and their praise would be worth nothing anyway if that's the kind of people in charge of "Ebony" and The Black Community™. If anything that makes it more important that he came out so young men of any colour could see how someone lives his life when he has a pair.

Yes sam coming out is important because it shows the world gay black men exist he puts a face to it. But it also is tough decision to come out if you are black and gay.
You make it sound so simple but it is not. Sam is courageous but I can see why other black gay male athletes will not come out. Kerry rhodes never came out and he is a superior football player than sam.

 

[refujiunderground]

You obviously are not paying attention the mainstream white media are supporting sam not the black media. The root.com blasted sam a few weeks ago. Ebony ignored sam. While gq magazine and out magazine put him on the cover. Sam was on dancing with the stars getting paid 100k per episode.The black community is apathetic to sam the straight blacks see him as a disgrace to black manhood and masculinity. The black press are disgusted by Sam I have read a lot of negativity about sam on many black sport boards like coli.com. The straight black men are repulsed by Sam they see him as a disgrace.

are you serious? are you that naive?

just in case you're clueless, the only reason why those same gay white guys that would never give you the time of day simply because you're black are rooting for michael sam is that they're using him to support THEIR gay rights movement that they feel is basically all about THEM.

i don't know if you noticed but the whole "gay rights movement" has basically been centered around white gay men. not you, me, michael sam or people that aren't white. the only time we matter is if we're a celebrity where folks are ready to pimp you for their own interest or if someone is a hate crime victim. you ever see a ordinary black gay guy get love in the gay media? ever seen a black man that isn't famous get called "hot" or "cute" or get attention from the gay media? breh, what i'm saying is that you're basically looking at black people as if they hate you when all you're doing is being self hating, generalizing everybody and etc. the truth of the matter is that the gay community is not your friend and is working in your best interest.

 

[MorrisseyX]

are you serious? are you that naive?

just in case you're clueless, the only reason why those same gay white guys that would never give you the time of day simply because you're black are rooting for michael sam is that they're using him to support THEIR gay rights movement that they feel is basically all about THEM.

i don't know if you noticed but the whole "gay rights movement" has basically been centered around white gay men. not you, me, michael sam or people that aren't white. the only time we matter is if we're a celebrity where folks are ready to pimp you for their own interest or if someone is a hate crime victim. you ever see a ordinary black gay guy get love in the gay media? ever seen a black man that isn't famous get called "hot" or "cute" or get attention from the gay media? breh, what i'm saying is that you're basically looking at black people as if they hate you when all you're doing is being self hating, generalizing everybody and etc. the truth of the matter is that the gay community is not your friend and is working in your best interest.

It is interesting in your comment you ignored my point about black homophobia you just dismissed it. You are no better than the straight black homophobes. I never said the gay community does not have a problem with racism. Kane and I have spoken out about racism in the lgbt community many times on this board. But your apathy to homophobia in the black community is disturbing and disappointing.Also the mainstream media are not gay yet they are giving sam press. GQ is a mainstream media corporation and they put sam on the cover. Espn gave sam an espy award. What has the black media done? Not much they are apathetic to sam they do not respect him they just seem indifferent to him. Yes the gay media has an agenda no dispute there they want to advance gay rights. But michael sam is more than that he puts a face to the black gay male struggle. He shows the world young black gay men do exist. Michael Sam is making a difference. Just disappointed you ignore the homophobia in black community.

 

[refujiunderground]

It is interesting in your comment you ignored my point about black homophobia you just dismissed it. You are no better than the straight black homophobes. I never said the gay community does not have a problem with racism. Kane and I have spoken out about racism in the lgbt community many times on this board. But your apathy to homophobia in the black community is disturbing and disappointing.Also the mainstream media are not gay yet they are giving sam press. GQ is a mainstream media corporation and they put sam on the cover. Espn gave sam an espy award. What has the black media done? Not much they are apathetic to sam they do not respect him they just seem indifferent to him. Yes the gay media has an agenda no dispute there they want to advance gay rights. But michael sam is more than that he puts a face to the black gay male struggle. He shows the world young black gay men do exist. Michael Sam is making a difference. Just disappointed you ignore the homophobia in black community.

breh, i don't see the black community being any more or less homophobic than the white community.

you're buying into the bullshit that they've been cooking up for a minute especially the gay media trying to make black people into the problem off of something that basically was started and came from white people themselves. last time i checked, it was the europeans that basically was running around the globe talking that homophobia shit for hundreds of years through religion. they basically were forcing cultures and people that weren't even homophobic or had an issue with homosexuality like precolonial africa to be homophobic by trying to "civilize" them with the bible.

so it's really ironic to see folks who basically don't even know the history of homophobia trying to basically go like "black people are homophobic" and the "black church" not even knowing the history of that shit to begin with.

michael sam is a puppet and you are obviously too ignorant to see it. he doesn't represent the black male gay struggle because he's doing everything to disassociate himself from it. last time i checked, he was dissing his black gay peers swearing that we were all hating on him because he had that golddigger wrapped around his arms. dude had the nerve to think folks were sweating over a leftover that was some porn star's bitch.

i'm real sick and tired of seeing folks basically trying to find every single way to stigmatize and criticize black people in general for what the rest of the world has been doing swearing we're the worst of everything. nobody gets at white people for being homophobic. there's plenty of black people that are not homophobic BUT yet nobody talks about them. folks don't even see the racist agenda behind it all too.

no surprise in your case though. you're one of those self hating black people.

 

[Auburn]

michael sam is a puppet and you are obviously too ignorant to see it. he doesn't represent the black male gay struggle because he's doing everything to disassociate himself from it. last time i checked, he was dissing his black gay peers swearing that we were all hating on him because he had that golddigger wrapped around his arms. dude had the nerve to think folks were sweating over a leftover that was some porn star's bitch.

I assume you are referring to Michael Sam complaining that people were mad that he is dating a white guy. That is not him dissing his black gay peers. That is him telling the truth. Most gay black guys get mad when they see a handsome black guy with a white guy and they assume the black guy is an uncle tom. You sound like one of those jealous black guys that I am referring to.

I do think you may have a point about black people not being more homophobic than whites. For example, I was in the grocery store last night and saw the cover of Essence magazine ( a black magazine) and it had Jussie Smollett on the cover ( for those of you that don't know, he played an openly gay black character on the show 'Empire' and he has come out in real life as well).

 

[bankside]

are you serious? are you that naive?

just in case you're clueless, the only reason why those same gay white guys that would never give you the time of day simply because you're black are rooting for michael sam is that they're using him to support THEIR gay rights movement that they feel is basically all about THEM.

i don't know if you noticed but the whole "gay rights movement" has basically been centered around white gay men. not you, me, michael sam or people that aren't white. the only time we matter is if we're a celebrity where folks are ready to pimp you for their own interest or if someone is a hate crime victim. you ever see a ordinary black gay guy get love in the gay media? ever seen a black man that isn't famous get called "hot" or "cute" or get attention from the gay media? breh, what i'm saying is that you're basically looking at black people as if they hate you when all you're doing is being self hating, generalizing everybody and etc. the truth of the matter is that the gay community is not your friend and is working in your best interest.

That was ten kinds of ridiculous.

Okay, so the way that the Secret White Supremacist Gay Community™ is secretly oppressing black people in this situation is by supporting them when they come out an making a big deal of them as role models for everyone.

OF COURSE! HOW COULD I BE SO BLIND!

 

[refujiunderground]

I assume you are referring to Michael Sam complaining that people were mad that he is dating a white guy. That is not him dissing his black gay peers. That is him telling the truth. Most gay black guys get mad when they see a handsome black guy with a white guy and they assume the black guy is an uncle tom. You sound like one of those jealous black guys that I am referring to.

I do think you may have a point about black people not being more homophobic than whites. For example, I was in the grocery store last night and saw the cover of Essence magazine ( a black magazine) and it had Jussie Smollett on the cover ( for those of you that don't know, he played an openly gay black character on the show 'Empire' and he has come out in real life as well).

no, breh. i'm not jealous of michael sam in any sort of way or form. in fact, i feel sorry for him.

i have absolutely nothing against folks that date interracial or intraracially at all. in fact, i'm open towards dating people that are outside of my race as well as in my race. i have no preferences where i have a limit in terms of guys.

what i AM talking about is how the race card is strong as hell in the gay community to the point where it's so clear as day. it's usually white people that are pulling the race card too. anybody that denies that shit is either basically blind as a bat or in denial as in they partake in the bullshit.

i've noticed how nonwhites are basically excluded or hidden away in the gay media and it's basically white world.

according to the gay media

-only gay people can be white

-only white people matter in the gay community

-the only time a gay nonwhite matters is if it's a celebrity and they're used to basically to push for the rights of gay white people

-whites can't be homophobic and if they are, they are clearly ignorant but are forgivable. they are seen as "misguided".

-nonwhites are homophobic.

-nonwhite gays don't matter.

-nonwhite gays are unattractive

-white gays are attractive.

this is from my observations and to make it worse, the general consensus of the community at large agrees with the shit the gay media pretty much holds as opinion.

me personally, i never really felt apart of the community simply because what i like and what i'm down with is seen as being shitty. i guess because the things i like are identified as being associated with black people. let's face it. the gay community doesn't have any respect or love for things or people that aren't white unless it could be used to benefit gay whites.

i certainly wouldn't be saying any of this shit if the gay community wasn't racist as fuck. i'm a gay black male. why is it that i'm being treated or looked upon as the enemy by my fellow peers because my skin ain't white? even worse, i often feel that my fellow gay black peers often aren't that much supportive or want to stick together like that in terms of building our own shit. i often see them either being closeted or just wanting sex. even harder to find as friends. even worst off, i feel that i can't interact with most of my gay peers unless they're thinking about sex. half if not most of the time, i'm just trying to talk and actually build friendships as a support network. you got so many gay dudes that don't know how to interact with each other unless sex is involved. shit sucks.

i would like to be able to interact with gay dudes on a platonic level. just like how i deal with my friends. i don't want to look at every single gay man i interact with as a damn love interest.

i often feel that gay people in general strongly project that shit. they think because you say one word to them or look in their direction that you want to have sex with them. i actually go on grindr and scruff and see this stupid shit. you can't even say hi or hello to dudes without folks thinking that it's about sex. tone that egotistical shit down please.

 

[refujiunderground]

That was ten kinds of ridiculous.

Okay, so the way that the Secret White Supremacist Gay Community™ is secretly oppressing black people in this situation is by supporting them when they come out an making a big deal of them as role models for everyone.

OF COURSE! HOW COULD I BE SO BLIND!

i wouldn't expect your racist ass to understand anyway. why are you even responding? go talk to benvolio, zombiemouth or someone that shares the same views as you.

 

[chrisrobin]

1. The NFL does not promote a thug stereotype. It's black stars are Cam Newton, Russel Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Odell Beckham Jr, etc. NONE of them have this "nigger" stereotype or whatever Morissey is blabbing about.

2. Michael Sam was a good college football player. He was a marginal NFL talent and had several chances to make an NFL roster. He simply wasn't good enough.

3. If Michael Sam hadn't come out he would be irrelevant.

4. Tim Tebow has a heisman, a college championship, a winning record as a qb and a playoff win. Yet he couldn't get signed as a backup. How does race and sexual orientation play into that?

4. Tim Tebow has a heisman, a college championship, a winning record as a qb and a playoff win. Yet he couldn't get signed as a backup. How does race and sexual orientation play into that?

It doesn't. Accolades notwithstanding, Tebow isn't a very good football player by NFL standards.

 

[Auburn]

i certainly wouldn't be saying any of this shit if the gay community wasn't racist as fuck. i'm a gay black male. why is it that i'm being treated or looked upon as the enemy by my fellow peers because my skin ain't white? even worse, i often feel that my fellow gay black peers often aren't that much supportive or want to stick together like that in terms of building our own shit. i often see them either being closeted or just wanting sex. even harder to find as friends. even worst off, i feel that i can't interact with most of my gay peers unless they're thinking about sex. half if not most of the time, i'm just trying to talk and actually build friendships as a support network. you got so many gay dudes that don't know how to interact with each other unless sex is involved. shit sucks.

i would like to be able to interact with gay dudes on a platonic level. just like how i deal with my friends. i don't want to look at every single gay man i interact with as a damn love interest.

i often feel that gay people in general strongly project that shit. they think because you say one word to them or look in their direction that you want to have sex with them. i actually go on grindr and scruff and see this stupid shit. you can't even say hi or hello to dudes without folks thinking that it's about sex. tone that egotistical shit down please.

I agree with most of what you are saying here. But think about this...when people are on scruff and grindr, they are generally looking for sex so you can't expect them to interact with you unless they want to screw you. It's sad, but true.

It is sad that you find it hard to interact with gay men on a platonic level. I have had the same problem so I feel your pain. It seems like guys want to be friends with you just if you are good looking to them rather than because of your character. Sucks.

 

[MorrisseyX]

no, breh. i'm not jealous of michael sam in any sort of way or form. in fact, i feel sorry for him.

i have absolutely nothing against folks that date interracial or intraracially at all. in fact, i'm open towards dating people that are outside of my race as well as in my race. i have no preferences where i have a limit in terms of guys.

what i AM talking about is how the race card is strong as hell in the gay community to the point where it's so clear as day. it's usually white people that are pulling the race card too. anybody that denies that shit is either basically blind as a bat or in denial as in they partake in the bullshit.

i've noticed how nonwhites are basically excluded or hidden away in the gay media and it's basically white world.

according to the gay media

-only gay people can be white

-only white people matter in the gay community

-the only time a gay nonwhite matters is if it's a celebrity and they're used to basically to push for the rights of gay white people

-whites can't be homophobic and if they are, they are clearly ignorant but are forgivable. they are seen as "misguided".

-nonwhites are homophobic.

-nonwhite gays don't matter.

-nonwhite gays are unattractive

-white gays are attractive.

this is from my observations and to make it worse, the general consensus of the community at large agrees with the shit the gay media pretty much holds as opinion.

me personally, i never really felt apart of the community simply because what i like and what i'm down with is seen as being shitty. i guess because the things i like are identified as being associated with black people. let's face it. the gay community doesn't have any respect or love for things or people that aren't white unless it could be used to benefit gay whites.

i certainly wouldn't be saying any of this shit if the gay community wasn't racist as fuck. i'm a gay black male. why is it that i'm being treated or looked upon as the enemy by my fellow peers because my skin ain't white? even worse, i often feel that my fellow gay black peers often aren't that much supportive or want to stick together like that in terms of building our own shit. i often see them either being closeted or just wanting sex. even harder to find as friends. even worst off, i feel that i can't interact with most of my gay peers unless they're thinking about sex. half if not most of the time, i'm just trying to talk and actually build friendships as a support network. you got so many gay dudes that don't know how to interact with each other unless sex is involved. shit sucks.

i would like to be able to interact with gay dudes on a platonic level. just like how i deal with my friends. i don't want to look at every single gay man i interact with as a damn love interest.

i often feel that gay people in general strongly project that shit. they think because you say one word to them or look in their direction that you want to have sex with them. i actually go on grindr and scruff and see this stupid shit. you can't even say hi or hello to dudes without folks thinking that it's about sex. tone that egotistical shit down please.

Do you live in a major city in America? You might consider joining a gay men group or create your own? Meetup.com is a great site to meet new people.

 

[miaedu]

Michael Sam leaves Alouettes camp, team cites personal reasons

MONTREAL -- Michael Sam has left the Montreal Alouettes training camp for personal reasons.

The Alouettes released a statement on Friday saying the rookie defensive end has been given special permission to return home to Texas after several media outlets noted his absence from practice.

"With all due respect for Michael Sam, the nature of this decision will remain confidential," said the statement. "The Montreal Alouettes fully respect Michael Sam's decision and rally around him to offer him all time and support needed.

The club added that they they will have no further comment on Sam at this time.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/michael-sam-leaves-alouettes-camp-team-cites-personal-reasons-1.2420458

 

[Gentleheart]

Oh wow...I can only wonder what the hell is going on behind the scenes with this foolishness.

 

[MorrisseyX]

Did someone die or is sick in Sam family? This is his last chance at a professional football career. I hope he does not blow it. A part of me wonders if the other cfl players are being hostile or not? There is a lot of homophobia in men professional sports. Maybe something else is going on? I read a repotree saw sam at the Trudeau airport and he seemed upset about something.

 

[Taralen]

Right before the first game too. Hmm. He basically excommunicated himself with his family, and doesn't keep in contact with them, as you saw when he was drafted, he was with his bf family.

Part of me doesn't want homophobia or bullying, to do with it, but I'm sure it did, as they said he hasn't been attending practices so it wasn't something urgent. It was something that has been happening over time I believe.

 

[-Kane-]

Whatever occurred the sports media is keeping quiet about it. And I fear this may have something to do with possible homophobia on the team, or maybe he found out his boyfriend was sleeping with someone else. Who knows?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

So lemme guess - Canada, while being generally a lot more accepting than USA in terms of gays, is not more accepting in terms of race?

Or wait, it's not race. Maybe while the general public accepts gays, jocks still do not?

Or no, that can't be it, b ecause was hired after the coming out party. Maybe he knew he wasn't up to par in the CFL and decided to save face in the most bizarre of ways?

I'm just going ahead and laying the excuses out there before they start raining down from the lips of babes and morons. Though I see one is way ahead of me on that front.

 

[-Kane-]

So lemme guess - Canada, while being generally a lot more accepting than USA in terms of gays, is not more accepting in terms of race?

Or wait, it's not race. Maybe while the general public accepts gays, jocks still do not?

Or no, that can't be it, b ecause was hired after the coming out party. Maybe he knew he wasn't up to par in the CFL and decided to save face in the most bizarre of ways?

I'm just going ahead and laying the excuses out there before they start raining down from the lips of babes and morons. Though I see one is way ahead of me on that front.

Bish don't you have a metal concert to attend or a gay bathhouse to grace with your presence? Your comment is a direct attack on most of the jubbers on this thread.

 

[gsdx]

Why don't we wait for the rest of the story before we start casting aspersions, eh? We have lots of gay and out athletes up here.

By the way, in case you don't know, Canada accepted Jackie Robinson before the US would let him on a team.