Michelle and Barack - First Bump

[MystikWizard]

After tonight, I'm done with you. You have nothing positive to add to the Democratic Cause.

That's why him and Jouper were my most recent adds to the Ignore List.

 

[syntax]

LOL.

Well other than the $22,400 I've given in the past 2 election cycles, and voted for every Democratic candidate in the past 8 years you mean?

Gee, sorry I'm such a slack ass in your mind.

Has nothing to do with how much money you gave (wow you must be really rich! I am so impressed) or who you voted for in the past 8 years.

Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President in 2008 and you are spending all your time here running him down.

 

[syntax]

i didn't offer an opinion in that post, i asked you a question that you seem unable to answer. first of all, voting is overrated. many people vote based on racism or sexism, many people vote without having a single fucking clue who they're voting for and what for, i don't vote because i don't have the resources to form an efficient opinion of the candidates, doesn't that sound better than someone who votes for mccain because he's white, or obama because he's black, or hilary cuz they think she'll solve all the world's problems?

it's funny that you're not explaining the cultural comment, possibly because you're realizing what an illogical one it was.

i've backed up my words, can you do the same??

Voting is not overrated. Voting is the fundamental action of a citizen. If you don't want to exercise your right to vote because you "don't have the resources to form an efficient opinion of the candidates" then, I agree, you probably shouldn't vote.

I've addressed the "cultural comment" Marley. A Black President is a cultural change for the United States. You are nitpicking. If you, like EVILFORCE (ooh scary!!) just want to pick a fight and prolong an argument instead of actually reading posts and responding to comments, that's your privilege.

I do want to congratulate you and EVILFORCE (ooh scary!!!) at taking a positive thread about the Democratic Nominee for President and turning it into something ugly and divisive.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I hear Bush tried that in Saudi Arabia, but didn't have as much luck. LOL!

Yeah, but instead they end up holding hand in Crawford, Texas.

That's so sweet!



And we're still paying how much per gallon at the pump?

 

[texpatriot]

Voting is not overrated. Voting is the fundamental action of a citizen. If you don't want to exercise your right to vote because you "don't have the resources to form an efficient opinion of the candidates" then, I agree, you probably shouldn't vote.

I've addressed the "cultural comment" Marley. A Black President is a cultural change for the United States. You are nitpicking. If you, like EVILFORCE (ooh scary!!) just want to pick a fight and prolong an argument instead of actually reading posts and responding to comments, that's your privilege.

I do want to congratulate you and EVILFORCE (ooh scary!!!) at taking a positive thread about the Democratic Nominee for President and turning it into something ugly and divisive.

They can't help it!

Apparently they're working through some "self-hating, I'm not worthy," moments.

What I can't believe was the scene right after the "bump" where Senator Obama patted Michelle on the ass!

My GAWD!

Al Gore kissed tipper on the lips during the 2000 Democratic Party Convention and all hell broke loose.

Michelle and Barack give each other a fist bump, and suddenly we're discussing the difference between field slave and house slaves.

What's that all about?

But I do want you to recognize that I appreciate the historical significance of this moment.

What I find sad is that we're relegated to a "first bump," as an example of our 2008 expression of love and appreciation to another.

 

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here's my question to you because i am beginning to realize you simply don't understand what you're saying.

why does a black president mean our culture has changed? what has changed about it? were blacks unable to run last year?? how do you define the culture that you're insisting is about to be changed??

Marley, I love your posts. Not just in CE&P, but elsewhere. But man do you run at the mouth and blather on and on and on ....

If the US elects a black President in November 2008, it marks a major change in the culture of this country. I know that you grasp the concept that this country has been based on racism and slavery since its origins. I do not understand why you are quibbling about the cultural significance of electing a black man as President of the United States.

 

[texpatriot]

Originally Posted by marleyisalegend [

here's my question to you because i am beginning to realize you simply don't understand what you're saying.

why does a black president mean our culture has changed? what has changed about it? were blacks unable to run last year?? how do you define the culture that you're insisting is about to be changed??

Marley, I love your posts. Not just in CE&P, but elsewhere. But man do you run at the mouth and blather on and on and on ....

If the US elects a black President in November 2008, it marks a major change in the culture of this country. I know that you grasp the concept that this country has been based on racism and slavery since its origins. I do not understand why you are quibbling about the cultural significance of electing a black man as President of the United States.

That goes back to my:

Apparently they're working through some "self-hating, I'm not worthy," moments.

Comment.

OR....

Perhaps it's a lack of understanding between how "whites" see America, and how "blacks" perceive themselves.

I heard this report on NPR yesterday about about how "whites" just dont' get "black Americans," and the concept of nominating an African-American to the White House.

Perhaps he has a perspective that hasn't yet been presented to the rest of us.

Perhaps Marlyeisalegend will enlighten us!

 

[spearsfan20]

That's a classic! I don't think you will ever see a running candidate fist bump their wife or husband if they got nominated to run for president.

Obama and Michelle both own this!

Go Obama '08!

 

[Kirbster66]

voting is overrated.

i don't vote because i don't have the resources to form an efficient opinion of the candidates

That's enough right there to discount anything you'll ever say in threads about the election.

"Don't have the resources"??? Obviously you have computer/internet access. That's all you need in terms of resources to learn everything you can. Your post translates to "I'm too lazy, ignorant, and apathetic to vote for the most important office in the land."

 

[EvilForce]

9 times out of 10, a voter considers theirself informed and dedicated if they watch 2 CNN specials and visit a primary so don't let anybody call you a slack ass.

Some watch even less I would guess. The US President race has become a prom king / popularity contest. It's all about the packaging and spin. The person we elect to the most influential and powerful job in the world should be qualified. People voting for packaging gave us George Bush Jr.

I guess I should be so idealistic about wanting and expecting people to at least give a cursory vetting before going to the voting booth.

Voting is not overrated. Voting is the fundamental action of a citizen. If you don't want to exercise your right to vote because you "don't have the resources to form an efficient opinion of the candidates" then, I agree, you probably shouldn't vote.

how much you wanna bet a large portion of americans who, like me, aren't efficiently educated

I used to accept the conventional wisdom that "more voters" and more people in the process was good too. I don't think it is. I'm now of the belief that unless someone has taken time to actually learn the rudimentary issues and qualifications of the candidates, it's better if they just sit home instead. The conventional wisdom says otherwise simply because "news" junkies and talking heads get ratings boost and makes them feel more self-important if more people are interested in their speechification.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Hey, people are busy and have other interests. No harm, no foul in my book. I mean after all we elect people all the time to do jobs we don't understand or want to. Like local Zoning Administrator. Shyte, I don't know anything about efficient zoning. That's why we hire someone to do that for us. Same goes for waste management. I'm not interested in learning about sewage. So, let those qualified to handle those things do their jobs.

In fact not only is having uneducated, unenlightened, and illogical people a hinderance to the process, it's downright dangerous. After all, that's why Karl Rove's tactics work so well. We had throngs of people that went to pull the "no gay marriage" lever the last couple of election cycles, because he needed to keep people from looking at any real issue. Just fire them up emotionally about a non-issue, and the sheep come-a-runnin.

 

[EvilForce]

Yeah, but instead they end up holding hand in Crawford, Texas.

That's so sweet!

LOL. They make a cute couple don't they?

And we're still paying how much per gallon at the pump?

Not enough. I'd like to see it hit $5 a gallon if possible. If it does we might finally get some real investment in public transportation, light rail, and high speed rail.

 

[MLSFreak]

Barack Obama as our next president of the United States may not be considered a "cultural change" for many people here in this country but I think we may be missing the big picture. I think we have to look at this more from an international point of view. I certainly do feel that it will show the rest of the world that America truly is an integrated nation that isn't just full of oxymoronic idealism. America prides itself on being the leader of the free world, yet to the many around the world, all they have seen is older white males run this country. (Not to discredit any of our past presidents) Barack Obama would be a real sign to many around the world that our country isn't just all talk and no game when it comes to cultural diversity. I know this isn't a big concern for most citizens BUT, with how the world has viewed us the past 8 years, this will certainly be a big step in showing the world how America is beginning to change. (At least culturally)