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Miss America drops swim wear and evening wear segments.

*picks up stirrer, places in pot*

They're no longer going to dress like they're asking for it?
 
Well i certainly won't be watching it again.
 
In a beauty contest, the participants should be judged on their physical beauty, without a bathing suit.

But if Miss America is no longer a beauty contest then what is it?
 
Struggling to give a fuck.

Nope.

Not happening.
 
Struggling to give a fuck.

Nope.

Not happening.

I see your struggle to give a fuck not happening and raise you a couldn't give an actual fuck if my mother's life depended on it

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reaction to trump---lol---when trump was in charge of Miss Universe besides walking in on the naked 16 year olds---he had them wear bathing suits that showed their clits.:roll:
 
I mean. really.

Now I'm just here for the free snacks

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if pageants weren't already tired, hiring Steve Harvey as a host affirmed my intuition which told me to never watch that grotesque parade in the first place.
 
Can fat chicks win now?

No, looks will still be favored, but they won't admit it.

It will be interesting to see which sponsors they'll go after now, as it won't be hair spray and cosmetic companies.
 
I'm genuinely surprised that these sort of pageants are even a thing in 2018, I mean it's basically a glorified pretty people contest and it does not mesh well with the current political climate. Getting rid of the swimsuits, you may as well get rid of the show altogether because nobody tunes in to watch Britney from Alabama fail at explaining why the Ozone layer is bad and how the magna carta saved the Indians from the Spanish.
 
So women starting to cover up very aggressively and
men starting to strip off aggressively. Is it fair ? No but eye candy for you guys i suppose.
 
I'm genuinely surprised that these sort of pageants are even a thing in 2018, I mean it's basically a glorified pretty people contest and it does not mesh well with the current political climate.

Society didn't suddenly come out of a cocoon with new values. It's still a beauty-based psychology, and Madison Avenue won't be selling soap with fat or ugly people anytime soon.

Don't conflate speaking out against sexual harassment and Me Too equates to reversing the societal norms that favor tall people, beautiful people, light complected people, thin people, etc.

And, just because Miss America has morphed doesn't wipe out the modeling industry, the cinema industry, the marketing industry, the pharmaceutical sales industry, the pop music industry, and on and on and on.

And for every one of the women who "didn't feel comfortable in the swimsuit competition," there were maybe 20 who not only felt comfortable, jumped at the chance to shake her moneymaker with a facade of social acceptance as soft porn always does. Whether it's good, bad, or ugly, there ar many women who view their looks as an advantage and are fully prepared to exploit them. That doesn't make them gold-diggers -- it makes them aware of what works for them.
 
Society didn't suddenly come out of a cocoon with new values. It's still a beauty-based psychology, and Madison Avenue won't be selling soap with fat or ugly people anytime soon.

Don't conflate speaking out against sexual harassment and Me Too equates to reversing the societal norms that favor tall people, beautiful people, light complected people, thin people, etc.

And, just because Miss America has morphed doesn't wipe out the modeling industry, the cinema industry, the marketing industry, the pharmaceutical sales industry, the pop music industry, and on and on and on.

First of all, don't put words in my mouth. Second of all, yes it is a new political climate in a society where most women (whether they be biological or not) feel uncomfortable at the idea of having a contest that elaborates really only the physical quantities of its contestants. Miss America is nothing more than a power fantasy for teenage boys and married men who have grown bored with their wives. People have been and still are protesting against mainstream conceptions of beauty; modeling, hollywood, etc which is why I expressed shock that it took this long for them to ax the swimsuit portion (or the show entirely). The show is founded upon sexism, I know it's an inconvenient truth, but it is a truth nonetheless.
 
First of all, don't put words in my mouth. Second of all, yes it is a new political climate in a society where most women (whether they be biological or not) feel uncomfortable at the idea of having a contest that elaborates really only the physical quantities of its contestants. Miss America is nothing more than a power fantasy for teenage boys and married men who have grown bored with their wives. People have been and still are protesting against mainstream conceptions of beauty; modeling, hollywood, etc which is why I expressed shock that it took this long for them to ax the swimsuit portion (or the show entirely). The show is founded upon sexism, I know it's an inconvenient truth, but it is a truth nonetheless.

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There wasn't need to put any words in your mouth -- your post was plain. The political climate is not running against shallow beauty based values despite the hype about Me Too. The superficiality of looks hasn't even been a political topic, only the abuse of subordinates in the work place. There's been a pretty careful avoidance of even addressing the appearance of the many women who have reported the abuse.

The show began as little more than a Depression Era stunt to proffer cheesecake at Atlantic City to encourage business. Over time, it put on its best face and became a darling of TV broadcasts. However, it actually did have and does have a national network of scholarships, and many of the pageants are sponsored on college campuses at the lower level, so there's already a surfeit of girls wanting to strut their stuff in those settings anyway. In recent years, there has been more focus on talent competitions, and once you get all those gals on stage, there's precious little other than talent to distinguish them, as they're practically clones.

As far as biologically defined women, it isn't even relevant, although I guess gender politics can be forced into any topic. The majority of the planet will always define gender as sex, but I get it that there is a tiny percentage of people who don't like the limitation of that duality. That said, there's fuck all chance that the world will see it differently in any material way other than bathrooms.
 
There wasn't need to put any words in your mouth -- your post was plain. The political climate is not running against shallow beauty based values despite the hype about Me Too. The superficiality of looks hasn't even been a political topic, only the abuse of subordinates in the work place. There's been a pretty careful avoidance of even addressing the appearance of the many women who have reported the abuse.

The show began as little more than a Depression Era stunt to proffer cheesecake at Atlantic City to encourage business. Over time, it put on its best face and became a darling of TV broadcasts. However, it actually did have and does have a national network of scholarships, and many of the pageants are sponsored on college campuses at the lower level, so there's already a surfeit of girls wanting to strut their stuff in those settings anyway. In recent years, there has been more focus on talent competitions, and once you get all those gals on stage, there's precious little other than talent to distinguish them, as they're practically clones.

As far as biologically defined women, it isn't even relevant, although I guess gender politics can be forced into any topic. The majority of the planet will always define gender as sex, but I get it that there is a tiny percentage of people who don't like the limitation of that duality. That said, there's fuck all chance that the world will see it differently in any material way other than bathrooms.

Ok I am done listening to you Nothard. You're obviously on board the patriarchy train and are so pro-hetero norms that I can practically smell the spray tan of Trump's bronzer from here. You have nothing more to contribute that I feel will enlighten or encourage me to continue in this discussion so I am done giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may however return to playing with Telstra.
 
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