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On-Topic Mondays Final Debate

Looks like it's gonna be "pissed off Obama" tonight. Hope we get to see more of his temper.

Damn, he's trying to stare a hole through Romney.
 
Libya upfront - 1st issue - questions remained - what happened? spontaneous? policy failure - intelligence failure?

mitt up first

arab spring suggested hope - moderation - women participation - better economy
instead - syria 30k deaths - libya attack by terrorists - 4 dead
mali is overrun by al qaeda
egypt a muslim brotherhood takeover
congratulates obama on OBL - we can't kill our way out - interesting
islam has to reject radical extremism
al qaeda is not on the run
comprehensive strategy

he did NOT go after Libya thingg

obama
i've kept americans safe
al qaeda core leadership is decimated
transition from afghanistan - with them taking over their own security
we need to build alliances
obama - on libya
we got phone call
secure who's alive
investigate
go after the terrorists

that's what we're gonna do

liberation of libya is a big success says obama
less than cost of 2 weeks in iraq
libyans marching post terror WITH us

says romney's strategy is all over the map

romney says go after the bad guys
broader than just killing our enemies
get the muslim world to reject terror
he's sorta agreeing with obama
how do we help the muslim world?

economic development is the key !!!! good one
better education
gender equality
rule of law
he's saying we need to invest in them

but where's the money coming from? (that's my question)

libya 6m
egypt 80m
syria with assad murdering his own people

obama is hitting on romney on russia is biggest geo political threat
says he wants 1980's
social policy of 1950's
you said u wanted more troops in iraq
your opinions are wrong
iraq - wmds
we shouldn't be passing nuclear treaties with russia
no timeline in afghanistan - then yes - now maybe
mixed messages
obama is slamming romney - saying he's all over the map

romney's turn
says obama's attacking him but has no plan
and iran is the greatest national threat
clear eyes on russia
status of forces agreement seems to be at the issue

obama says u have to be clear - to allies and enemies

obama went after romney hear but provided no plan really

but he won the first question
 
onto syria

obama up

syrians will have to determine
we don't act unilaterally - israel and turkey
its heartbreaking - so we help opposition
we don't want to get more entangled - it's serious - so he's cautious
assad's days are numbered

romney up

30k killed by govt. is a humanitarian disaster
syria is an oppty. for us
syria is iran's only ally
route to the see
big issue for us
replacement govt. would be responsible people
work with partners - identify resp. parties within syria

really good point about iran

mitt sounds good here
 
romney is making the case that obama has not been a leader in syria - that we're a follower

obama up

we went into libya
we stopped the massacre
khadafy needed to go - obama says romney wasn't so certain - "mission creep"
obama sounds good here - very good

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go giants !!!!

jerry is psyched
 
Wow -- Romney's sitting there and saying things we "should" do... when they're things Obama has been doing. But I'll grant he's doing a fair job of not coming across as the "tell other countries what to do because we're exceptional" guy he's been before.

Ah! He wants governments "friendly to us"! That's a return to the thinking of the 50s!
 
obama says romney's ideas are his

onto egypt

"time for mubarak to go" said obama - too early? says moderator?

obama says no - speaks to JFK ...... had to be done
current egyptian govt. needs to treat their people better - mentioning women (again) - good political move
cooperating with israel
obama is saying all the right things here
romney's strategy appears to be to NOT attack obama, rather just to appear presidential and smart
obama says we can help them rebuild their economy
nation building does not work and hurts US own stuff - so true
very good obama

romney
says perhaps we didn't read egypt correctly or early enough
once it exploded we needed to support
again he's agreeing with obama

our purpose is to make the world peaceful
mantle of leadership has fallen to us
we didn't ask for it but it's ours
our economy is not strong
admiral mullin says our debt is our weakest national security issue

trillion in cuts - sequestration - is a problem

allies - 42
stand by our principles

our influence will grow

right now our influence is diminished

obama is interrupting

good moment for mitt

easy BO
 
lol Romney contradicts himself "our debt is our biggest national security threat", and yet "we cant cut defense spending" .....confusion much. Well we have to cut somewhere :confused: :confused:
 
what is america's role in the world

promote elections - people vote for peace not war
in order to fulfill our role in the world, america must be strong
23m people struggling to get a job
slowing growth rate
50% college kids no job
strengthen military long term
we don't know what the world will throw our way
2000 debates no mention of terrorism - year later - 911
israel/us relationship bad
tehran = pres. was slient
stand for our principles
says he will not cut military budget

very good mitt !!

obama says we're stronger internationally then when he took office
neglected alliances for a decade
asia - europe - africa - with israel - intelligence cooperation is strong
we can rebuild america - bring mfg. back to our shores - best education system - retraining - control our own energy
our oil imports are down
ask the wealthy to pay more
gov. romney wrong and reckless - praised bush and cheney - taking us back is bad
that was random
 
romney says obama said 5.4% UE
i will get america working

1 - NA energy independance
2 - incr trade - in latin america - LA economy is almost as big as china economy
3 - training programs and schools that put kids first - teacher's unions need to be coolio
4 - small business needs help and support
5 - reduce the debt

romney is strong here
 
Obama should butt in and point out that Romney is proposing a big-government vision that can only expand the debt, while he's proposing a big-military vision that will only expand the debt, and a tax plan that will only expand the debt -- so Romney is actually proposing to make America less secure! I can't believe he's sitting there being so mild at the deception!
 
obama is attacking romney on massachusetts record

he's channeling stephanie cutter here

sounds like a shit - very un presidential

hire math and science teachers

he says romney is against hiring more teachers or reducing class sizes

obama says companies will move here with better teachers and students

romney insists on a rebuttal

in massachusetts

every 2 years - 4th graders # 1 in english and math and 8th graders
how do we do it? bipartisan education principles
obama is interrupting
he's channeling joe biden it appears
obama is ginned up - not very presidential
 
Romney's got a good point about Latin America -- but when Obama has done things to improve trade with Latin America, the Republicans have criticized him.

Can't make up their minds....

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Chance, if all you're going to do is give a running account, chill -- we're listening to the real thing.
 
bad news -- SF ahead 7-0

Hopefully Obama has a seatbelt on -- he looks like he's about to jump out of his chair .... temper, temper
 
bob is asking how u cut the military ??

obamacare is not good or affordable
cut programs that we don't need
medicare - give to the states
arizona, RI have taking medicaid dollars and run them more effectively

8-10 years balanced budget

"you should've answered the first question" says obama
he's a nasty guy - nasty

obama says we spend more money on our military than the next 10 countries
says romney wants $2T for defense that military doesn't want

the math doesn't work

budget is driven by strategy
what do we need to keep america safe
obama sounds good here - rationale and smart

romney's turn

i'm a bizman - u don't balance ur budget u go out of biz
olympics
massachusetts - balanced budget
pres. hasn't balanced a budget yet

military spending - our navy is smaller now than 1917
low 200's ships - unacceptable
airforce is older and smaller than 1947
highest responsibility to protect people

romney sounds good here

we have fewer horses and bayonets ;) what an asshole
a game of battleship it is not ;)

says the math doesn't work

we visited the website - it still doesn't work

obama is very nasty - not gonna play
 
Holy Shit Obama owned Romney on spending, military strategy and his budget all in one swoop.... I am pretty sure at the end I watched Obama lick two fingers and smack Romney on the ass....
 
Everyone agreed to have trade sanctions on Iran? I don't think so.
 
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