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Moore, Oklahoma - TODAY: "the worst tornado in the history of the world"

Just learned via the drive home radio talk show that the town had funded a 80 million dollar HIGH SCHOOL football stadium with jumbotrons and state of the art facilities. But somehow they can not afford to pay for storm shelters. Disgraceful.
 
JayHawk said:
Just learned via the drive home radio talk show that the town had funded a 80 million dollar HIGH SCHOOL football stadium with jumbotrons and state of the art facilities. But somehow they can not afford to pay for storm shelters. Disgraceful.
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I heard on the news last night that they don't have basements because the ground is so wet that a basement will just flood. There is a paint in hardware stores that soaks into the cinder block several inches and creates a waterproof barrier. There is an "as seen on TV" spray paint that you can paint a screen door built into the bottom of a boat and it will float the boat. Something don't jive here.
 
I'm very happy that NBC news was wrong about the 24 children being killed in the school.

The death toll appears to be 24 at the moment, which is amazing when you see the utter destruction of Moore.

When you think about how little time the residents had to respond -- they were prepared - built storm shelters - however, I would like to see more storm shelters at schools.

On the other hand residents of the east coast had days to prepare and still there were 285 deaths from Sandy. The big difference is preparation.

You have to take the warnings seriously and be prepared.
 
Let's see.

These people live in a tornado prone area and, with Moore having 4 tornadoes (two EF-5) since 1998, what appears to be a tornado prone path.

Very few had tornado shelters. If JayHawk is correct they were building a state of the art football stadium. They were waiting for state and federal guidelines on the funding of a Hazard Management Plan.

Has our citizenry lost the gumption to protect itself?

I am all for disaster relief, but I become very leery of the feds rebuilding homes and cities, only to do it again in a few years.

I am reminded of those living in annual flood plains that have to be bailed out - literally and figuratively - every year when - surprise! - it floods. If you live on the East or Gulf Coasts you can - surprise - anticipate a hurricane.

Any reconstructive monies should be in the form of loans, conditioned on adequate tornado protection.

Somewhere along recovery effort we should take account of residents' callous disregard of their own safety.

And it says a lot that the State views these frequent disasters as so remote that it does not have a "tornado day" fund to address this.
 
We don't know enough -- so it's not fair to make assumptions of guilt.

I do think we'd all agree that the schools should have storm shelters before they have jumbo trons or fancy football fields.

The people of the midwest are very resilient -- they will accomplish rebuilding with or without help from the federal government. Joplin, MO did amazing things to recover -- even after the FEMA cut off their support.

Don't discount the will and desire of the American people.
 
Jack Springer said:
I'm very happy that NBC news was wrong about the 24 children being killed in the school.

The death toll appears to be 24 at the moment, which is amazing when you see the utter destruction of Moore.

When you think about how little time the residents had to respond -- they were prepared - built storm shelters - however, I would like to see more storm shelters at schools.

On the other hand residents of the east coast had days to prepare and still there were 285 deaths from Sandy. The big difference is preparation.

You have to take the warnings seriously and be prepared.
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So preparedness is the reason huh? Foolish regional self centered idiocy is what it sounds like.

So a 2 mile wide 20 mile long tornado effects more damage than a Hurricane? I have been through several of both and your wrong. There is no comparison. So tell me Jack, do you think more people would be dead in Moore if they had been in Moore instead of not there and at work. How about if twenty foot of water filled the houses... how many are alive then?

You say such foolish things and then ask us to take you seriously. It is a wonder.
 
The people of Moore reacted quickly -- you can't argue with that.

We hear about stubborn people all the time who refuse to leave during a hurricane - when they have days to make arrangements.

Both are horrible JH.

There is no reason to bash me -- although I guess you have scored points with your liberal pals.

Congrats.
 
For some communities, football is everything. They live and breathe football. Anything for sports... spare no expense. To hell with academia, to hell with safety.... if you have strength, speed and athletic ability that's all that matters. Build those hundred million dollar stadiums to watch them run around chasing a ball. This seems to prevail in Texas and Oklahoma.... two football crazy states.

Luckily around here all school buildings must have a storm shelter. Yes, we have the hundred million dollar stadiums too but at least part of that cash has to go for safety.
 
Jack Springer said:
The people of Moore reacted quickly -- you can't argue with that.

We hear about stubborn people all the time who refuse to leave during a hurricane - when they have days to make arrangements.

Both are horrible JH.

There is no reason to bash me -- although I guess you have scored points with your liberal pals.

Congrats.
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Dont play fucking coy. You attempted to insinuate that the people of the midwest are better because they died less in a much smaller event. I think you may have experience with Tornadoes but you have no idea the ferocity of a hurricane. And yes people stay put for whatever foolish reason, just as entire communities send their children to schools without shelters because it is cost expedient and yet it is OK to build a giganta-tron football stadium.

So don't pretend you were actually saying something about stupid squatters in natural disasters. The entire lean of your previous post was to make sure mid-westerners seemed tougher. Guess what sunshine we are all Americans and we all come together in times of need.
 
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Have you looked at the destruction JH? People payed attention -- they did what they had to do and got out of the way. If they hadn't many more would have died.
 
Jack Springer said:
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Have you looked at the destruction JH? People payed attention -- they did what they had to do and got out of the way. If they hadn't many more would have died.
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Jack... what time did the tornado happen? Most of the people were not home... that is why the traffic jam of people trying to get to their destroyed home was news for three fucking days... What does that matter... you still tried to say midwest people are tougher and then weasel out of it when called on it.
 
Jack Springer said:
I'm very happy that NBC news was wrong about the 24 children being killed in the school.

The death toll appears to be 24 at the moment, which is amazing when you see the utter destruction of Moore.

When you think about how little time the residents had to respond -- they were prepared - built storm shelters - however, I would like to see more storm shelters at schools.

On the other hand residents of the east coast had days to prepare and still there were 285 deaths from Sandy. The big difference is preparation.

You have to take the warnings seriously and be prepared.
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106 deaths were in the New York metropolitan area, which has a population of nearly 20 million people. We did not have days to prepare. When hurricanes move into the northeast, they travel at about double the speed that they do in the south and in the tropics. Warnings were only given about 24 hours before the storm hit. Hundreds of thousands of people evacuated. The storm surge was worse than expected, and some people drowned in areas that were not evacuated because they were not expected to have severe flooding. A 14 foot wall of water hit Manhattan. Eight million homes lost power. You have no clue what it was like here, and frankly the recovery has been extraordinary.

Equally important, the storm took a path hurricanes have never taken in over 100 years. The hurricane also struck a month later than any other hurricane had hit. Less than a week after the storm, a snowstorm dropped 5" of snow. New York knows how to handle storms.
 
So what you're saying Palemale is with a population of 8.245 million and 106 deaths .001% of New Yorkers perished while in Moore at a population of 56,315 and 24 people perishing that makes them have a death rate of .04% in natural disasters..


See Jack by your own comparison mid-westerners die at a greater rate..... weird huh?

We all patiently await your recognitoon that Americans died in both instance and neither are different, both communities responded and apparently Mid-westerners suffer much worse due to lack of preparation maybe... who knows?
 
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