More denounce ex-gay conversion therapy

[Jacobson]

quite amazing the assumptions and judgement in this place. Maybe we should hold every single american accountable for the invasion of Iraq......according to your rules.

maybe you guys aren't realising how wonderful it is that people are now having the courage to come out and speak against the ex-gay programs.....it seems like its more important to argue the rights and wrongs......time to focus on the present and the future i think.....that the only thing we have the pwer to change.

Youre' not a victim. Don't try playing that because you're not a victim. And I really have to remind you or emphasize of Soilwork's point these places, these attitudes have affected the way people have looked at gays and how gays look at themselves. These intitutions that promote the clandestine act of heterosexual marriage as opposed to vile homosexual lives is what creates closet cases. Men running around telling everyone that they've changed and so can you by the mercy of god are utilized to further support homophobia with an attitude of "Well if he did it why can't you?"

And dude, I grew up catholic. How can gay men not understand the cult of christianity when we all have to get on his knees for him. My father took me to an exorsist. Then I said to god "Please make me straight" but I still got hard ons over hot dudes. So that crazy cult is a faculty of an inept being. So for this useless inept being who existance is anyting but proved empirically we should go in like lemmings attempting to renounce ourselves and chastice others? Perhaps if you're a pathetic sheep. The list is endless of the gay men that have had to deal with violence and homophobia. There probably isn't a person here who hasn't got a story of homophobia that could break your heart, and you're playing victim? Dude.

Jesus fucking Christ man, just look at that yankee video and tell me that every gay person should welcome you with open arms.

Anthony, I'm a person with a disability. I have spinal bifida. You know what you're actions are like. It's like me saying that just because I can walk with a limp and am not in a wheelchair I am not desabled and therefore anyone in a wheelchair should just work harder and have faith so they can walk without taking into consideration who they really are just to further endorse my personal cause. That's vile and sick.
Your example of Iraq is completly unrelated because many Americans are denoucing the war. Many Americans have from the start. Just because you were confused or ashamed into admitting who you were because you gave in to Patriarchal bullshit of what it means to beproper human being doesn't quite make for the same analogy. But then I guess in a world where Condeleza Rice exists anything is possible right?

It's not your struggle to come out that I have a problem with. We all have that struggle. We all go through a period of wondering if indeed we are evil. And if you're a christian perhaps you wonder about burning in hell. But you know what? FUCK YOUR GOD. And you turned your struggle and useto commit horrible things,even by ommission -that's a christian word- then it says something about you.

You wanna play victim play?Let's play victim. I was raped. Should I rape? I was beaten as a child by my parents. Should I continue on with the abuse? I was survived a war -El Salvador 1989- should I pick up a gun and go on a killing rampage? I could justify it. According to you, I can and then repent and all would be well. I'm just a victim.

 

[Soilwork]

OK... so people can stop PMing me to see if I got the chapter.. I did.

I read it.

No, it didn't change my opinion and it actually made it worse.

He went to this sort of Nazi-like concentration camp run by a closeted lesbian I'll call "Helga" where they made him throw out his pink shirts and bikini underwear. You'd think that his first clue would have been knowing that his love of cock at train stations didn't come from pink or butt-floss but no.. he went along with the forced labour from dawn until dusk and allowed himself to be watched while taking showers (so he wouldn't masturbate because as we all know masturbation causes love of cock). This was supposed to beat the homo out of him, I guess. He doesnt' seem to question the methods.

They took all his money from his government payout and when he got a job he was expected to hand over all his paycheques. They fed him poorly but he doesn't seem to connect the dots that they were taking advantage of him and taking his money... he says they were on a tight budget. Some people never learn.

He just sat there as Helga the Horrible yelled at them, poked them with pens and called people "slut" and "queen" and reduced them to tears in front of each other for her own amusement. Even when he left the place she outed him to his family and called him "one of Sydney's worst homosexuals" and then continued to lie about thing he'd done.

But he just stood there and took it. Apparently they didn't thorw out that green astroturf shirt that says "WELCOME" on the back.

Helga is now apparenlty living with her female "companion" but he doesn't seem hurt that he was pretty much robbed and abused by her.

The chapter ends there, but although you'd think anyone with a clue would wise up and see that gay conversion is a crock.. he didn't.

He still married a prop and had some prop kids in his prop life.

The chapter he sent me was a study in lifestyles of the weak and the spinless.

Just makes me shake my head at what people will do to avoid having to stand up for themselves.

 

[Soilwork]

maybe you guys aren't realising how wonderful it is that people are now having the courage to come out and speak against the ex-gay programs....

Sorry.. my last post until I decide to post again. I promise.

Yes, it's wonderful that people are coming out.. it's not wonderful that they had to ruin a lot of lives while they found their balls.

thing is that I dont' really see enough anger from you. The woman who was bordering on a suicide cult leader who took your money and stole your clothes and forced you to work from dawn until dusk and had people watch you shower is living with her lover and you haven't made me accountable for what she's done. You don't even seem bugged.

Where IS your anger?

 

[Soilwork]

are there things in your past that now looking back with more understanding you would not have done.

Of course.

But standing there while some cunt fart makes up lies about me like "He came to Church this morning wiping the makeup off his face" isn't on that list. My reaction would (even when in the closet and thinking I was borderline retarded) to have at the very least said "that's not true." Yours was to stand there and try not to cry.

Anyway.. We're not going to agree on this and I can see that although you don't really acknowledge how you've hurt the community, you're at the very least trying to save the next generation from being.. well.. like you. were.

Which does deserve at least some credit.

 

[gewhite3]

Love of self......the gay self....the real self......letting that person out and believing that inheritantly he is a good person who deserves dignity and respect is what finally set me free........22 years later.

Good point Anthony. This one statement really sums it up because if the above were true, we wouldn't have self-hating, closeted GLBT*** people anywhere in the world.

I would like to commend you for posting here and at least trying to bring some understanding to everyone. The ex-gay thing is a very sensitive topic (as you can obviously know) and that you deserve kudos for.