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Muslim Scholar's Fatwa Condemns Terrorism

Holy crap!
I could actually attend this guys mosque.
Who'd a thunk it?
 
This is certainly encouraging. We need people with authority and influence to speak out like this.
 
This is the majority opinion among Islamic scholars.

If this surprises you or you don't believe it...you've been listening to too many Republicans.
 
Good for the moderates speaking out. Unfortunately extremists will continue to do what they do, but hopefully the Muslim world at large will more and more turn on the extremists.
 
jizzeater said:
Better late than never, I suppose. :roll:
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It has ALWAYS been the majority opinion among Islamic scholars. The Wahabists are a bizarre heresy. They get all the press because they blow things up and kill people, but they are in fact a tiny minority of the world's Moslems.
 
As long as after every terrorist act with an islamic background there is nothing to hear but roaring, deafening silence from all those islamic scholars, leaders, nations...
while on the other hand as soon anything "bad" was said, done, thought by people of other beliefs, there are tenthousands on the streets to demonstrate and burning flags, mostly in countries where usually no three people can meet without having to fear of imprisonment, torture, death penalty...

I give a shit on all these religious hypocrits.
 
In Actuality said:
Anyone who says terrorism has no place in Islam hasn't read the Koran. Same goes for the Old Testament. They are filled with God saying to kill people, God sending plagues and killing innocent children and people, God justifying killing people for things like collecting wood on the Sabbath. Let's not lie and say these religions 'condemn violence'. If they actually followed the bible and Koran they'd be violent fuckers.
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But Moslem friends of mine have quoted passages from the Qur'an (your spelling isn't wrong, I just prefer this one) specifically prohibiting the targeting of noncombatants, even in a jihad. And they ALL told me that we're not in a jihad, according to the Qur'an, unless someone is trying to wipe Islam from the face of the Earth. Moreover the REAL jihad, the Greater Jihad, is the struggle within a person to be the best person s/he can.

My point is that most Moslems are no more inclined to violence against innocents than most Christians are. Yes, there are Moslems doing that. There are Christians doing the same. Whatever you may find in the sacred texts of either religion, the parts that are emphasized in the modern world are the ones that discourage such behavior.
 
Often the loudest most offensive voices get heard most, and they're more than likely a tiny minority of agitators.

I think the cleric's fatwah is a good thing, as it helps to kill the rhetoric the fundies use.
 
While Actuality is correct, and the three monotheistic religious have religious texts that condone heinous activities, it is a good thing when the more moderate forces try to take command away from the zealots. Say what you will about the loud and active Christian right wing in America, MOST christians in America are very moderate or live mostly secular lives, and the Europeans even more so.

Africa is a different story all together, where being a Christian does not mean that they are any less likely to believe the more violent punishment aspects of the Bible, than Muslims are the Kor'an.

And for the people who may think that there aren't any zealots left in Judaism, just look at what's happened to Israel in the past 20 years. Ultra-Orthadox forces are increasingly holding more and more political sway, which is in part an explanation of Israel's intransigence on the peace process, as compared to the past.
 
Very nice. The message I'm getting from this thread is that Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Nice to see such open-mindedness from an oppressed minority group.
 
The responses are particularly frustrating to me because the Muslims that I know personally are ALL in line with ul-Qudri's thinking. My personal experience with Islam has been that it really is a moderate, peaceful religion, and most Muslims, at least in America, are outraged and embarrassed by the violence that's carried out in the name of their faith. I've heard several Muslims speak out publicly against violence and terrorism, but they get no airtime in the American or international media. At most, they get a little blurb in the local papers or radio stations.

I truly believe that ul-Qudri speaks for the majority, and it frustrates me to see so many people respond to his words with cynicism and hate. For decades the American public has been demanding to know why Muslims aren't publicly calling for peace. Now that they've been given an example, they respond with scorn. Like I said, Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I suppose this wouldn't be the best time to bring up Muslim gay rights groups, would it?
 
LilBit said:
The responses are particularly frustrating to me because the Muslims that I know personally are ALL in line with ul-Qudri's thinking. My personal experience with Islam has been that it really is a moderate, peaceful religion, and most Muslims, at least in America, are outraged and embarrassed by the violence that's carried out in the name of their faith. I've heard several Muslims speak out publicly against violence and terrorism, but they get no airtime in the American or international media. At most, they get a little blurb in the local papers or radio stations.

I truly believe that ul-Qudri speaks for the majority, and it frustrates me to see so many people respond to his words with cynicism and hate. For decades the American public has been demanding to know why Muslims aren't publicly calling for peace. Now that they've been given an example, they respond with scorn. Like I said, Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I suppose this wouldn't be the best time to bring up Muslim gay rights groups, would it?
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are they equally apologetic for the terrorism perpetrated against israel ... or is it just the anti-western kind ... of terrorism ?
 
LilBit said:
I've heard several Muslims speak out publicly against violence and terrorism, but they get no airtime in the American or international media. At most, they get a little blurb in the local papers or radio stations.
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I'm not buying the "it's the media's fault" excuse. This guy got airtime on national TV, so I don't see why others couldn't. IMO, influential Muslim leaders just haven't made the effort that they should have to denounce terrorism.
 
In Actuality said:
Why are you saying this to me? Where did I ever say all Muslims support terrorism? I said their religion supports violence (or the Koran) and so does the Old Testament of the bible. If you don't believe me, read the books... I have.
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And passages from both books support peace as well.
 
you're all fucking crazy. majority of the Muslim population does condemn terrorism. If you traveled around to Muslim countries (like I do) you would know this.

The press has blown the whole terrorism thing so out of proportion ... the propaganda shows every Muslim as a terrorist.

This has been said in so many Fatwas so many times. There's even been a song about this released on Itunes by some Muslim artists in Pakistan a few years back, and the song writer and producer was invited to BBC too.

So please cut the bullshit and don't say better late than never. Educate yourselves.
 
^ yup.

But most Americans don't travel beyond their living room, so they wouldn't be expected to understand the rest of the world.
 
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