Muslim Support for Marriage Equality Outside the United States [SPLIT]

[HoodedRat]

[STRIKE]Good news, if true.

Meanwhile, Muslims in Britain are far less keen.[/STRIKE] Half of all British Muslims believe homosexulaity should be illegal.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...se-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

 

[NotHardUp1]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

South Korea's dominant Christian sect is Presbyterian, not a conservative branch of the religion.

And what does "backward" have to do with the absence of a hostile religion but with homophobia yet present?

And wealth appears to be no insulator from homophobia. The US is wealthy, yet harbors much gay hatred. The oil countries are wealthy, yet no havens for gays. And I challenge your assertion about gay respect in Japan. I will grant you that out LGBT people can be in public office, yet the political parties have so far avoided the bullet of passing same sex unions. It's as if it is a don't ask don't tell mentality. Japanese favor gay equality, or the majority says so, yet they aren't moving on it very quickly.

China and Russia have wealthy upper classes, yet they do not honor gays.

India has a wealthy upper class, but it does not honor gays.

 

[Telstra]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Forget about Muslims in America.
How many muslims are in America ? Very very small, therefore they must be smart enough not to annoy gay people or other minorities. The question should be ask is how about in the countries where muslims are the majority ?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Forget about Muslims in America.
How many muslims are in America ? Very very small, therefore they must be smart enough not to annoy gay people or other minorities. The question should be ask is how about in the countries where muslims are the majority ?

How can you claim this when you don’t even live here or provide back up to claim there aren’t many here? I’ve known and have seen plenty over the course of my life, more significally when I was in school, which at this point was 15 years ago.

 

[Telstra]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

How can you claim this when you don’t even live here or provide back up to claim there aren’t many here? I’ve known and have seen plenty over the course of my life, more significally when I was in school, which at this point was 15 years ago.

Well i heard somewhere saying the population of muslims in America are very small.
The experts on jub can provide the % then.

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

But it's not just one family, gender segration is a very common practice for modern muslims.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...he-truth-about-muslim-women-forced-to-sit-aw/

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

So do the Christian and Jewish faiths, but there are plenty of pro-gay Christians and Jews.

And to all of the people who are accusing me of claiming that the Muslim community is monolithic or that all US Muslims are pro-gay, I'd invite you to re-read the subject line, then go to a dictionary and look up the word "majority."

The difference is that neither Christians nor Jews advocate the murder of gays. To hate and kill gays is taught in the majority of all "Islamic Cultural Centres" all around the world, and they don't hide it.

 

[medic1]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

^I think you will find mikey that there are several "Christian and Jewish" sects, that would strongly support our murder, just saying.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

The difference is that neither Christians nor Jews advocate the murder of gays. To hate and kill gays is taught in the majority of all "Islamic Cultural Centres" all around the world, and they don't hide it.

Lets be honest, many preachers stand in the pulpit and quote Leviticus and elude to the stoning of homosexuals. I asked one of them why God, who could do anything and is all mighty didn't offer the same grace to homosexuals that he did to murderers.

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

^I think you will find mikey that there are several "Christian and Jewish" sects, that would strongly support our murder, just saying.

Are they sanctioned? Likewise I'm sure there are several "muslim" groups who claim to support equal marriage too, but we all know they aren't the norm.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

In most religions there is the official 'this we believe' and then what those in the pew think.

Consider how many official versions of christianity there are; apply the same principle to other religions.

Absolute orthodoxy doesn't exist in any major religion.

In the case of Islam, you might say there are a few core beliefs (like the shahada) and everything else is subject to debate, interpretation and change. The position Islam takes on marriage equality is not one of those core beliefs.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Consider how many official versions of christianity there are; apply the same principle to other religions.

Absolute orthodoxy doesn't exist in any major religion.

In the case of Islam, you might say there are a few core beliefs (like the shahada) and everything else is subject to debate, interpretation and change. The position Islam takes on marriage equality is not one of those core beliefs.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality
Islam's Views

"Islamic Shari'ah law is extracted from both the Qur'an and Muhammad's Sunnah (found in the Hadith and Sira). Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty.

In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied."

This seems to be a core belief.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality
Islam's Views

"Islamic Shari'ah law is extracted from both the Qur'an and Muhammad's Sunnah (found in the Hadith and Sira). Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty.

In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied."

This seems to be a core belief.

Not all Muslims are by-the-book, hate to break it to ya.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality
Islam's Views

"Islamic Shari'ah law is extracted from both the Qur'an and Muhammad's Sunnah (found in the Hadith and Sira). Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty.

In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied."

This seems to be a core belief.

Since not all Muslims believe that, it's not a core belief.

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Since not all Muslims believe that, it's not a core belief.

It is a core belief. If they don"t believe in it then they are not muslim. It's like a Jew believing in the risen Christ, or a Christian not believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins.

 

[peeonme]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Since not all Muslims believe that, it's not a core belief.

Islam's Views

Islamic Shari'ah law is extracted from both the Qur'an and Muhammad's Sunnah (found in the Hadith and Sira). Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty.

In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied.

Source Link: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality

If they are seen as the laws of Allah, and Islam means "submission", one can't be a Muslim without submitting to these laws.

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

Well, unlike you, I don't pretend to be an expert on Islam.

However, there are some gay-friendly Islamic groups nearby where I expect everything 'would go fine.'

Great. Please tell then to help the gays who are being tossed off the highest building.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

OTTAWA—Many mosques and Islamic schools in Canada are placing young people at risk by espousing — or at least not condemning — extremist teachings, a new study says.

Co-authors Thomas Quiggin, a former intelligence analyst with the Privy Council Office and the RCMP, and Saied Shoaaib, a journalist originally from Egypt, base their findings on research conducted quietly in mosque libraries and Islamic schools.
The study, titled “Lovers of the Death”? — Islamist Extremism in Mosques and Schools, says what worried them was not the presence of extremist literature, but that they found nothing but such writings in several libraries.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...e-filled-with-extremist-literature-study.html

We'll see how long this post lasts.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...e-filled-with-extremist-literature-study.html

We'll see how long this post lasts.

That's a tabloid. About time you posted an example of where you honestly get your news instead of mangling various online reports.

- but do let us know if they spot batboy, will you? I miss the little fucker.

 

[mikey3000]

Re: Majority of US Muslims support marriage equality

The Toronto Star is one of the most respected papers in the country. Anything but a tabloid.