Muslim terror across Europe

[Kulindahr]

Corny was once kind enough to tell us his Myers-Briggs Personality profile; he's an INTJ.

I know of only one other INTJ. They're very complex people who're often misunderstood. They can be capable of great sensitivity.

However, they often tend to think in issues of black and white, and Corny, my esteemed colleague, that's what you're doing here.

You want complex...

my Myers-Briggs profile isn't constant.

 

[Corny]

Thank you for deciding what was going on in my mind, Corny. I defer to your omniscience.

Sarcasm doesn't suit you very well Especially since I never talked about what is going on in your mind, but merely commented on your observed behavior - and I wasn't the one who now started with personality profiles ..

The truth be told, however, I see all of the fundamentalists as the same,

first .. you are making yourself this a bit too easy. it would be nice if the world would work this way - but it is not.

and I saw the people in the pictures I was sent as being those of fundamentalists.

But you're too stubborn to admit this.

second I never denied that those people exist, nor did I deny that they are fundamentalists. Read again what I wrote and what that implied.

In fact, your handsome head hides a mind that's as stubborn as a mule. Anybody ever tell you that?

Oh it is quite well known that you can't win an argument with me unless you either have provable facts or when I generally accept you as more knowledgeable in this area/topic. The later might be difficult for you because of your and our history here. And as a reminder before you start with your childhood memories again: the topic is muslim "terror"/fundamentalism in europe. Not christian fundamentalists in the US.

Corny, I do fear that we're beating this horse to death. I send you messages of reconciliation and peace, and do I hope I haven't offended you too much.

If you "hope" that you didn't offend someone with a message it is quite contradicting to claim that it was a message or reconciliation and peace at the same time ..

 

[EastMed]

I wonder what the penalty would by in Iran for equivalent actions?

Years in jail no doubt. On the other hand, Iran didn't invade Iraq with its consequent destruction and loss of life.
Selective morality appears to be part of the human condition.

 

[TheFireGod]

Except in Turkey, it's the fundamentalist Islamic influences that have all of the political power.

We'll see cause the political party in power now is not really as big on Secularism as the previous government. And that violence against non-Muslims have been up in the past few years.

I'd say look to Azerbaijan, Albania, and Kazakhstan; which have had a recent history of having very good relations between Muslims and non-Muslims and are more irreligious than the US.

 

[Corny]

BTW, both Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden are believed to have been INTJs.

Temper your zeal with wise compassion, Corny.

finally a Hitler comparison! You just lost the argument, it's the internet law.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Oh no. I'm an INTJ too.

And I'm not like any of the rest of you!

 

[bankside]

Yet another INTJ. If you believe that mumbo jumbo.

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh no. I'm an INTJ too.

And I'm not like any of the rest of you!

Don't worry. I'm a part-time INTJ, and I'm not even like myself.

 

[bankside]

The most accurate ones take a couple of hours to administer, and this test has to be done by a trained professional.

That's how I know I'm an intj.

(If you believe that mumbo jumbo.)

 

[iiiset]

There's a nice statement of bigotry.

When you believe something that's not tied to reality, what you do might not be either. What becomes of bigotry when it's true?

 

[iiiset]

finally a Hitler comparison! You just lost the argument, it's the internet law.

the man speaks truth.

thread over.

 

[Kulindahr]

the man speaks truth.

thread over.

Except it wasn't a mention that fits the parameters of Godwin's Law, so the claim is just an attempt at escape.

 

[Corny]

is trying to twist my words your new hobby? or are you practicing your baiting skills now?

He sure doesn't seem to mind fundamentalist Islam in his backyard

I never said that or anything like that. So hold your vile breath.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Christians do no better here, see Westboro. Hardly consider this an act of terror though.

I have not yet heard of any Westboro church members blowing themselves up on a London bus, Paris métro, Madrid cercanías train or on a flight from Boston to LA. And while they may incite hatred and violence, they have never committed acts of violence against gays.

 

[herewego]

Yes, Muslims are fucking nuts. However, this does not give other religions a pass. All religions, and I mean ALL, have murdered, destroyed, and have imprisoned people throughout the ages. The thing that you have to look out for, are the people who are vehemently anti-Muslim. While they may be correct in pointing out Islamic extremism, they may look at this as an opportunity to instill their own crazy fundamentalist religion. In most cases this is Christianity. Don't fall for the trap.

Another thing is, if Christians were living in a shithole like Muslims do in the Middle East, they'd be doing the exact same thing. The Bible and the Koran, are pretty much the same. The difference is, more and more Christians do not take the text seriously. Middle Eastern Muslims do because of the lack of education. The best way to cut down on terrorism is for the West to get the hell out of the Middle East altogether. The only reason why these people are able to blow themselves up and pull acts of terrorism, is due to money. The West supplies them with tons for oil, and a ton of other crap. If they don't have the funds, they are going to be forced to modernize if they have any chance of survival. This is truly the only way to do this. And also, cut off all aid to Israel. Those idiots have been more trouble than they're worth. If there so self-reliant as they preach, then they should be fine with the US not aiding them.

People who blame the Koran for all the mess Muslims pull, really don't have a frigging clue. That's a scapegoat. If it wasn't the Koran, they'd be using something else to justify their actions.

In the West, Christians have committed tons of terrorism, and let's not even get into the entire history of their barbaric religion, but what Christians do, is that they use the judicial system to enact all their backwards nonsense of everyday citizens. They really don't have to blow up buidings every five seconds. They do have to blow up abortion buildings, because abortion is pretty much a done deal, and no matter how hard they try, the government is not going to lean in their favor.

Religion is a seriously dangerous concept, and people should be outing it for what it is.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Yes, Muslims are fucking nuts. However, this does not give other religions a pass. All religions, and I mean ALL, have murdered, destroyed, and have imprisoned people throughout the ages.

Frankly, I don't give a damn about the crusaders of 1000 years ago or the jewish armies of 2000 years ago. In my lifetime, the terrorists are muslims.

Your statement about christian fundamentalists is entirely pointless, in fact, since this thread is about Europe. When will you Americans understand? THERE ARE NO CHRISTIANS IN EUROPE! None to speak of, anyway. Just because we were baptized doesn't mean we are religious. If my father had been catholic and my mother jewish, they would have never even got married and I would not exist. But they were secular.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Another thing is, if Christians were living in a shithole like Muslims do in the Middle East, they'd be doing the exact same thing. The Bible and the Koran, are pretty much the same. The difference is, more and more Christians do not take the text seriously. Middle Eastern Muslims do because of the lack of education.

Then how do you explain that there is less radicalism in dirt-poor, under-educated Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey than among Moroccans born in Belgium, Turks born in Germany and Tunisians born in France? The first woman to blow herself up in the name of Allah was born and bred in Brussels. The London bombers were born and bred in the Britishest corners of England.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have not yet heard of any Westboro church members blowing themselves up on a London bus, Paris métro, Madrid cercanías train or on a flight from Boston to LA. And while they may incite hatred and violence, they have never committed acts of violence against gays.

I think it more likely someone would blow them up -- they're pissing off a lot of conservative patriots.

They got a little back recently, though -- read here: http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326096

 

[Kulindahr]

The thing that you have to look out for, are the people who are vehemently anti-Muslim. While they may be correct in pointing out Islamic extremism, they may look at this as an opportunity to instill their own crazy fundamentalist religion. In most cases this is Christianity. Don't fall for the trap.

In Europe?

I don't see anyone (Europeans correct me if I'm wrong) trying "to instill their own crazy fundamentalist religion" anywhere in Europe. Some racism, some ardent nationalism, yeah, but what it looks like from here is lots of people dropping their pants and bending over for the Islamists.

The Bible and the Koran, are pretty much the same.

Does the Koran say that love is the greatest commandment, and if you love your neighbor you've done all that the rules require? If it does, I haven't gotten that far yet -- haven't found the place where it agrees with the Bible to treat everyone else as more important than one's self, either.

The difference is, more and more Christians do not take the text seriously.

And that's why there are so many idiot fundamentalists.

Middle Eastern Muslims do because of the lack of education.

American Christians don't because of a lack of education.

The best way to cut down on terrorism is for the West to get the hell out of the Middle East altogether. The only reason why these people are able to blow themselves up and pull acts of terrorism, is due to money. The West supplies them with tons for oil, and a ton of other crap. If they don't have the funds, they are going to be forced to modernize if they have any chance of survival. This is truly the only way to do this. And also, cut off all aid to Israel. Those idiots have been more trouble than they're worth. If there so self-reliant as they preach, then they should be fine with the US not aiding them.

European aid to Israel? I wasn't aware it was significant.
U.S. aid? More of that goes to the Arab nations around Israel, basically as bribes not to attack the region's only real democracy (again).

Religion is a seriously dangerous concept, and people should be outing it for what it is.

Getting educated first would be more useful -- you sound here just like another version of a fundamentalist.

Can you actually look at Quakers, the Amish, Buddhist monks who put themselves between authoritarian machine guns and children, neo-pagans, Wiccans, and say religion is dangerous?

Then how do you explain that there is less radicalism in dirt-poor, under-educated Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey than among Moroccans born in Belgium, Turks born in Germany and Tunisians born in France? The first woman to blow herself up in the name of Allah was born and bred in Brussels. The London bombers were born and bred in the Britishest corners of England.

Those will always be the most dangerous -- not the outsider, who acts as an outsider, but the insider, who turns to betray his/her own.

 

[iiiset]

Except it wasn't a mention that fits the parameters of Godwin's Law, so the claim is just an attempt at escape.

or it was a joke... ? jesus christ.