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My straight drunk passed out friend

nah rape usually have victims.
No victim, no complain by anyone = zero rape.

In post 1, the drunk guy knew and he didn't complain.
 
Telstra said:
nah rape usually have victims.
No victim, no complain by anyone = zero rape.

In post 1, the drunk guy knew and he didn't complain.
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Telstra, I hope you never serve on a jury. You are completely incompetent.
 
I'm with Telstra. Until very recently rape was defined as forcibly inserting one's penis in a vagina or anus. Ridiculously, "rape" (and the equally popular and conveniently vague "sexual assault") is now seen by many (and codified is some jurisdictions) as any unwanted touching with sexual intent. By these loose definitions a man can grab another man's crotch and be accused of rape. Remember the high school wrestler who was accused of rape for fingering his opponents asshole during a competition? Gimme a break!
Let's reserve our outrage (and prosecutions) for serious transgressions.
 
I would assume Telstra sucked someones cock without permission and he is trying to justify it here. Or being a troll. Or both.
 
LatimerRd said:
I'm with Telstra.
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Well that certainly always bodes well for IQ.

Until very recently rape was defined as forcibly inserting one's penis in a vagina or anus. Ridiculously, "rape" (and the equally popular and conveniently vague "sexual assault") is now seen by many (and codified is some jurisdictions) as any unwanted touching with sexual intent. By these loose definitions a man can grab another man's crotch and be accused of rape. Remember the high school wrestler who was accused of rape for fingering his opponents asshole during a competition? Gimme a break!
Let's reserve our outrage (and prosecutions) for serious transgressions.
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What in the world possesses you of the notion that there is any difference between putting a penis, a tongue, a fist or a foreign object into an unconscious woman so that only the penis would be rape, and the others "not serious transgressions"?
 
Well here goes!

I actually agree with Telstra's definition of rape and I think the legal system leans that way as well.

There is a difference between sexual abuse and rape in the degree of aggression applied during the act; though obviously both should be punished equally. It is like murder is always murder yet there are degrees where the law will apply a more lenient judgement.

I do think the use of the word rape is inappropriate in this situation and would, myself describe it as abuse. Mind you I would not be lenient if the case came to court; sucking a guy's cock whilst he is in a drunken stupor may seem anodyne but in my opinion it is nevertheless a form of sexual aggression.
 
dpnice said:
Well here goes!

I actually agree with Telstra's definition of rape and I think the legal system leans that way as well.

There is a difference between sexual abuse and rape in the degree of aggression applied during the act; though obviously both should be punished equally. It is like murder is always murder yet there are degrees where the law will apply a more lenient judgement.

I do think the use of the word rape is inappropriate in this situation and would, myself describe it as abuse. Mind you I would not be lenient if the case came to court; sucking a guy's cock whilst he is in a drunken stupor may seem anodyne but in my opinion it is nevertheless a form of sexual aggression.
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Telstra doesn't particularly think anything wrong was done here at all.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Telstra doesn't particularly think anything wrong was done here at all.
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I agree but he is also saying that we bandy around the word "rape" for a situation which in his opinion applies no aggressive actions. I see his point of view in that using "rape" for this account does reduce the word to a banal meaning.
 
dpnice said:
I agree but he is also saying that we bandy around the word "rape" for a situation which in his opinion applies no aggressive actions. I see his point of view in that using "rape" for this account does reduce the word to a banal meaning.
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I'm of the opposite mind. Rape is engaging in sexual activity with someone against their will. The physical assault which may or may not accompany this (the person may be drugged or unconscious or given roofies) is irrelevant to the lack of consent.

I am amazed at how people think if rape is not accompanied by a beating, it's now "banal." Really?
 
Telstra said:
Do not assume. I can assume you eat diarrhea
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Well if you are not just intentionally provoking, and you are giving your absolutely genuine opinion, then you're supporting immoral and unethical and illegal activity, and not only that, but the exact kind of scenario that fuels a great deal of homophobia and fear of being around homosexuals. So good job.
 
xbuzzerx said:
I'm of the opposite mind. Rape is engaging in sexual activity with someone against their will. The physical assault which may or may not accompany this (the person may be drugged or unconscious or given roofies) is irrelevant to the lack of consent.

I am amazed at how people think if rape is not accompanied by a beating, it's now "banal." Really?
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I now understand you have a completely different meaning for "rape" than mine.
The word "rape" is accurate when you have victims and hear it in the news.
If you use the word "rape" for something else like post 1, you downgrade the meaning of rape to become non serious, non harmful and zero victims like post 1 which is not correct.
 
Telstra said:
I now understand you have a completely different meaning for "rape" than mine.
The word "rape" is accurate when you have victims and hear it the news.
If you use the word "rape" for something else like post 1, you downgrade the meaning of rape to become non serious, non harmless and zero victims like post 1 which is not correct.
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Many rape victims never report their rape, Telstra. The fact that this guy didn't beat the crap out of the OP (even assuming the story is true, quite possibly it isn't) does not mean he was not violated.

This incident is still serious because it was taking sexual advantage of someone when they were not in any position to consent. You claim the fact that the guy "probably knew" afterwards indicates consent, it doesn't. Nothing is being "downgraded" because rape does not refer to a physical beating. It refers to sexual violation without consent.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Many rape victims never report their rape, Telstra. The fact that this guy didn't beat the crap out of the OP (even assuming the story is true, quite possibly it isn't) does not mean he was not violated.

This incident is still serious because it was taking sexual advantage of someone when they were not in any position to consent. You claim the fact that the guy "probably knew" afterwards indicates consent, it doesn't. Nothing is being "downgraded" because rape does not refer to a physical beating. It refers to sexual violation without consent.
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No rape to me means sexual assault by force with intercourse. That means the victim is struggling but over powered. In post 1, there was no struggling, no force used, and if the story was true, the drunk guy actually sounds happy according to OP.
 
Telstra said:
No rape to me means sexual assault by force. That means the victim is struggling but over powered.
In post 1, there was no struggling, no force used, and if the story was true, the drunk guy actually sounds happy according to OP.
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So in your world date rape is not rape at all. Simply drug someone's drink and it's not rape. In your world many people have been wrongly convicted of rape when all they did was plow a person who was rendered unconscious. That isn't rape! They didn't have to force them!

Why don't you stick to your youtubes about stupid things like weddings and leave the heavier thinking to people with a brain?
 
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