Nazi Scientist

[rareboy]

Andrew.

Take your medication.

There are lots of articles on scientific work during the Nazi era. There are over 3,000,000 hits on Google for Science under Nazi's. I found various references to science and Nazi's in Wikipedia, although I can't imagine why it would matter a rat's ass if there is or isn't an article specifically on this topic in this ersatz reference base when one can find so many other sources and articles.

Surprisingly, not all scientific work in Germany during this period was evil.

We know you hate science becuase you fear it. It is why you would never think of spending hours on the computer instead of out gardening in order to raise vegetables and feed the poor.

 

[DaveyDoes82]

Review some of the works about and by Albert Speer, Hitler's Minster of Armaments and Munitions. Later Armaments and War Production. He was really in control of the technological side of Nazi Germany's development and gives a pretty straight forward view of things...if you believe him. Most consider him one of the greatest liars in history but, he was a technocrat and was one of the science for science sake and forget the human cost. You can find some good leads as far as names go for research if you're interested.

 

[belamy]

You can't call scientist someone who does research for a purpose alien to the reasearch itself, whether that is destroying nations or curing cancer.

Science is not made in view of any practical application or moral conviction. You can have them in mind, but as long as they are an integral part of the development of the scientific procedure it is not proper science. Someone who makes research on cancer in view of "curing it " is a philanthropist, not a sicentist, and as a real scientist he or she will need more than good will and good morals to succeed.

It's not that good morals are the foundation of real science, but that you don't get to make real science unless you fulfill certain conditions that happen to meet moral rightness. Science does not fall short of moral, it is more moral than moral itself.

We have better feelings and reasons to support the view that moral convictions or institutions like family or religion only really serve to promote hatred or indifference towards aliens to our own families or our own moral convictions, all of which which are obvious facts. Then we could say that "there's no white washing morals for us".

 

[Negasta]

Half the people on this Message Board would not be alive if it weren't for the toil of scientists. The Luddites are very happy to sit on their PC's (created by science) and spout anti-science nonsense, while eating crops and drinking tap water (all furnished on us by science).

I myself would have died several times over if it had not been for antibiotics.

Here is a little gem for you:

Nazi scientists were the 1st to conclusively prove that smoking causes lung cancer. Their research was suppressed after the war by the American authorities.

 

[belamy]

^ I'm sorry and I don't mean to be offensive but I have no idea what you're talking about

That applied science is not science proper, and that the results of science are independent of practical usages or the morals associated with the individuals that make science. It is not the source of any evil nor of any good. If anything, it is good or bad when you force a meaning serving previous conviction, like the sham theory of intelligent design or the pseudoscience of phrenology.

Science, and I mean the real spirit of sicence not the experiments you can develop mimicking what real scientists have done before, is nothing but a healthy and confident curiosity for the unknown, it's precisely what saves people from the evils of clear-cut morals and their certainties. Science is not a comfortable refuge, a set of answers for everything or a mind-soothing justification of facts and actions, it is a way and it is the closest thing to a true religion and an honest way of living. A kid developing a science project for the sake of curiosity is on a better ground for a healthy moral development than another full of parochial teachings and fear of Cod [sic].

 

[star-warrior]

There was a great deal of advances in physics during the Nazi era, the Werner Heisenburgs, Lisa Meitner, Otto Frisch, Otto Hahn, Fritz Streissman in the areas of nuclear physics and also theoretical physics.

Einstein himself speaks German and wrote some of his papers in German.

You also forget that there was a nationalist government under Mussolini in Italy, and Enrico Fermi worked until 1938 there in Rome, before fleeing to America.

In the field of physics, there are two main areas, the Pure or theoretical physics, and the Applied or Experimental Physics. The application of physics to materials such as the study of low dimensional substrates in quantum wells, wires and dots and the use of multiple beam epitaxy machines to grow the materials to study the physics is an example of applied physics. Theoretical physics provides the mathematical framework for the theory of electron transport in low dimensional physics like in quantum dot, and modelling of such a system by computer calculation is an extention of theoretical physics by first describing the interfaces of the substrate and materials using quantum theory and wave mechanics. Experiment and theoretical simulated results are compared, and if there is good agreement, then there is a high probability that the theory is a good description of what happens when electrons are passed through the low dimensional system.

 

[star-warrior]

You'll die eventually I wouldn't put all your hope in the Peter Pan world of Cryogenics.

Cryogenics was an applied subject in my university college course. Until you can fully defrost a body without the water crystals rupturing the cell linings, there isn't much hope for freezing and reanimating any body.

 

[Telstra]

You can't call scientist someone who does research for a purpose alien to the reasearch itself, whether that is destroying nations or curing cancer.

Science is not made in view of any practical application or moral conviction. You can have them in mind, but as long as they are an integral part of the development of the scientific procedure it is not proper science. Someone who makes research on cancer in view of "curing it " is a philanthropist, not a sicentist, and as a real scientist he or she will need more than good will and good morals to succeed.

It's not that good morals are the foundation of real science, but that you don't get to make real science unless you fulfill certain conditions that happen to meet moral rightness. Science does not fall short of moral, it is more moral than moral itself.

We have better feelings and reasons to support the view that moral convictions or institutions like family or religion only really serve to promote hatred or indifference towards aliens to our own families or our own moral convictions, all of which which are obvious facts. Then we could say that "there's no white washing morals for us".

no idea what are u saying.

 

[Telstra]

Oh i see. you have missed the point entirely.

Yes science impacts on our lives and saves lives. but that is not it INTENTION. Biowarfare and nuclear bombs do not sit well with the caring facade of science.

Oh Bravo the Nazi proved a link between smoking and cancer.. Oh they didn't by any chance do this wonderous deed by forcing Jewish babies to inhale nicotine fumes until they died.. Charming.

Oh I forgot .. I can't have an opinion because science has saved my life and i'm using a computer.. So I'm a hypocrite.

Well doo dee dah.. I suffer from Chronic depression.. which science hasn't cured for me and so I couldn't give a shit wether I have fluroescent lights.

then I die.. wow i wonder if science will be able to prevent that.

Oh i forgot Science is busy inventing new ways to wholesale rape the planets resource dis enfranchise the third world and feed greed and ensure the earths premature demise.

scientists are not to blame. other people with more responsibilties are.

ooh, so you would like to go back to stone age ??

 

[star-warrior]

Why isn't AndrewD protesting against Daimler Benz or the Wolkswagen?

 

[belamy]

Andy , YOU are missing the point: science doesn't equal technology. I can't blame you in particular because that's the received view and it's a dangerous one, but at least you may know learn that science is not a product, not an industry, it's a search, a continuous one, the real one that has been usurped by the cheap tales of religions and the "philosophies of life".

 

[The_Reaper]

Actually, I think the lack of morals is what led men of science to work for the Nazis. As cruel as it may sound, chances are they thought they could get a lot more done if they didn't have to worry about harming their test subjects.

And as much as we hate to admit it; the work that was done did actually advance our understanding of certain subjects, like hypothermia, which wouldn't have occurred if the scientists had to stand by a code of ethics.

I'm not endorsing what they did, don't think that; I'm just saying that they saw a chance to operate in an unfettered, unrestricted way and took the opportunity. For some people, the ends do justify the means.

 

[star-warrior]

I don't think it's a lack of morals, but perhaps peer pressure under the guise of nationalism cloaked in patriotism in Nazi Germany.

As our modern Nazi once said 'You're either with us or against us'.

Faced with that stark choice from a totalitarian regime, what would most people do?

Even the Jews cooperated with the Nazis in the concentration camps. They're not very much talked about, but it's just human nature. Just as there are good German folk during that time who helped the dissidents, jews and intellectuals flee Germany under great danger to themselves.

 

[rareboy]

Well doo dee dah.. I suffer from Chronic depression.. which science hasn't cured for me and so I couldn't give a shit wether I have fluroescent lights.

Science can help you manage it though. But you resist it. And so you're always angry.

Go find some joy Andrew.

 

[Adriano-LaCerva]

Science and "morality" were never really associated with each other. Science is just numbers. I don't see it as surprising.