Neo Nazi Influence in Arozona Law

[MercuryJones]

Laws must stand or fall on their own merits, regardless of their origins. This thread is not intended to be about the MERITS of the law but the ORIGINS of it. It's an interesting insight into the background of Arizona's immigration law.

Russell Pearce is the Republican state senator in Arizona who introduced the legislation. Pearce gained some attention when he sent an email to his supporters that included accusations of the media of pushing the view of "a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish 'Holocaust' tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood non-White aliens pouring across our borders."

Russell Pearce gained further attention for being caught on tape hugging a neo-Nazi. (That's not a matter of opinion, the guy is a literal neo-Nazi.)

Kris Kobach is a birther now taking credit for co-writing the legislation. He's running for secretary of state in Kansas, and his campaign website brags 'Kobach Wins One in Arizona.'

Kobach is an attorney for Immigration Reform Law Institute, the legal arm of FAIR - the "Federation For American Immigration Reform". FAIR was founded in 1979 by current board member John Tanton.

Seven years after he started FAIR, Tanton wrote "... to govern is to populate... will the present majority peaceably hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile? ... As whites see their power and control over their lives declinging, will they simply go quietly into the night? or will there be an explosion?"

Tanton provided more than a million dollars to fund FAIR in its early years, through The Pioneer Fund, which describes itself as a group formed "in the Darwinian-Galtonian evolutionary tradition, and the eugenics movement".

The Pioneer Fund's original mandate was to promote the genes of those "deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution".

Fascinating.

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[SoulSearcher]

wow, its probably the Jew in me that could smell Nazis from miles away, but this is truly enlightening, I didn't know where the ideological base for these people was, although I very much suspected that.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

It's very "thin edge of the wedge" isn't it?

Today we're going to ask those filthy Mexican vermin who wear weird shoes and intentionally cause car accidents for their papers.

Tomorrow it's teenagers with dark skin at the Mall....

Then it's random house searches of gays and Jews.

Don't think it's not going to happen...

 

[Willie Boy]

Where is Arozona? I've never heard of this country, is it somewhere in Europe?

 

[JB3]

It's very "thin edge of the wedge" isn't it?

Today we're going to ask those filthy Mexican vermin who wear weird shoes and intentionally cause car accidents for their papers.

Tomorrow it's teenagers with dark skin at the Mall....

Then it's random house searches of gays and Jews.

Don't think it's not going to happen...

It won't. You're starting to remind me of Ambrocious. (scary, isn't it?)

 

[Lostlover]

Arizona has many issues that are obvious in big cities where parts of the city don't even look like America and English isn't spoken.

But what makes this problem worse is that the other side is populated with the worst of the worst kinds of people (dead enders, Mormons and rednecks) that will just do anything when they feel cornered.

I think we're entering Utah, Alabama, Florida and Mississippi territory for trash per capita.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

It won't. You're starting to remind me of Ambrocious. (scary, isn't it?)

You so sure of that?

I was too until recently.

I can see it going in that direction and having people cheer as it does. I can easily see random house searches of "political dissidents" in the name of "freedom" as the white majority cheers. You say it can't happen... I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[JB3]

You so sure of that?

I was too until recently.

I can see it going in that direction and having people cheer as it does. I can easily see random house searches of "political dissidents" in the name of "freedom" as the white majority cheers. You say it can't happen... I'm not so sure anymore.

I think you've been watching too many conspiracy movies. (either that or listening to many left-wing shows ranting about Arizona's new law)

 

[wastingmymind]

^The new law isn't there for illegal immigrants - as FOX News even pointed out, there's already laws against illegal immigration. What bothers people about this now passed law is that it affects and harasses people who look like illegal immigrants even if they and their families have been in the state for decades.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I take very little Rachel Maddow says seriously. She's a pundit, not a journalist.

Um.. no... Rachel Maddow is a journalist. And she's been on the delivering end of some of the most pointed and biting criticism of the president... i'd have thought that more conservatives would spend less time trying to discredit her.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's very "thin edge of the wedge" isn't it?

Today we're going to ask those filthy Mexican vermin who wear weird shoes and intentionally cause car accidents for their papers.

Tomorrow it's teenagers with dark skin at the Mall....

Then it's random house searches of gays and Jews.

Don't think it's not going to happen...

That's where they want us, and Obama is playing along by extending the Bush police state powers.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

That's where they want us, and Obama is playing along by extending the Bush police state powers.

we'll see where it comes from.

Obama has been very outspoken against this law... but America is getting.. scary.

 

[Kulindahr]

we'll see where it comes from.

Obama has been very outspoken against this law... but America is getting.. scary.

His mouth says it's bad.

His example encourages them.


That, too, is scary.

 

[Nishin]

wow, its probably the Jew in me that could smell Nazis from miles away, but this is truly enlightening, I didn't know where the ideological base for these people was, although I very much suspected that.

Nice catch indeed ... I refrained from posting in the other thread since I have taken part in [STRIKE]immigration/"race"[/STRIKE] anti-Mexicans debates on JUB before and learnt that some categories of people have set in stone opinions and ideas on this subject and that it's pointless to try and discuss it with them ... yet I was growing frustrated at witnessing denial of what issues at stake here really are about ... this thread shockingly proves you right.

 

[Kulindahr]

Nice catch indeed ... I refrained from posting in the other thread since I have taken part in [STRIKE]immigration/"race"[/STRIKE] anti-Mexicans debates on JUB before and learnt that some categories of people have set in stone opinions and ideas on this subject and that it's pointless to try and discuss it with them ... yet I was growing frustrated at witnessing denial of what issues at stake here really are about ... this thread shockingly proves you right.

No, it doesn't.

This thread shows the ideological leanings of a small group of people behind the writing of the law. It doesn't show the reasons the Arizona public, including the legal immigrant community, support it. It doesn't show why the legislators who voted for it support it.

Now, to connect those others and the originators, it may show that a very small group of people can use legitimate anger and resentment to further their cause without any significant number of people knowing it.

Too bad this wasn't made widely known to the great numbers of Hispanics in Arizona who support the law, before the vote.

 

[SoulSearcher]

I take very little Rachel Maddow says seriously. She's a pundit, not a journalist.

You can tie a person in any cause to most anything. These people are here illegally and many are committing crimes. WTF am I saying? BEING HERE IS A CRIME. There shouldn't be a debate. That people want to coddle them is insane.

Anyone who knows her credentials knows that she is brilliant and academically more accomplished than faux news blondes and white supremacists. Besides, in this case, you don't have to listen to what she says, what the people she is referring to are saying are all we need to read and hear.

 

[Kulindahr]

you have more to worry about homeland security doing that than this topic

dont forget, this admin is willing to assassinate an US citizen in the name of "freedom"

I think Jasun's point is that this is just another piece where the majority are being desensitized to arbitrary police authority. The falsely-labeled "War on Drugs" is another good example of that, where the public sits calmly by and lets people be stripped of their property merely because of accusations, and then citizens have to pay enormous legal fees to even try to get it back, and often fail.

The government justifies almost anything in the name of drugs; now it's taking steps to be able to justify almost anything in the name of immigration. We have widespread violations of rights in the name of "protecting the children", as well.

So make drugs, and immigration matters of homeland security, and do it to "protect the children"... in a few years that could sell almost anything to the American sheeple.

 

[SoulSearcher]

No, it doesn't.

This thread shows the ideological leanings of a small group of people behind the writing of the law. It doesn't show the reasons the Arizona public, including the legal immigrant community, support it. It doesn't show why the legislators who voted for it support it.

Yeah, as if the general public will carry around Swastikas to advertise where their support for such laws come from...

Even Republican Hispanic lawmakers have spoken against this law.

 

[Kulindahr]

Anyone who knows her credentials knows that she is brilliant and academically more accomplished than faux news blondes and white supremacists. Besides, in this case, you don't have to listen to what she says, what the people she is referring to are saying are all we need to read and hear.

I knew someone would bring that up....

I have mixed feelings about Maddow. She's biased. But she does her homework, she is excellent at research, and she presents what she does rationally and impeccably.

As with most of her work, you just have to look at her sources. This one isn't even a matter of different points of view; she's relying on what these folks have publicly said about themselves.

If this had been made known a few weeks before the vote, things might have gone differently. All you'd need to do is tie in some swastikas with "Papers, please".

 

[SoulSearcher]

Nice catch indeed ... I refrained from posting in the other thread since I have taken part in [STRIKE]immigration/"race"[/STRIKE] anti-Mexicans debates on JUB before and learnt that some categories of people have set in stone opinions and ideas on this subject and that it's pointless to try and discuss it with them ... yet I was growing frustrated at witnessing denial of what issues at stake here really are about ... this thread shockingly proves you right.

Yeah, its frustrating, I think denial is part of it, but its understandable. Admitting it would be dangerous to the very foundation of what many grew up believing their nation's raison d'etre is about. Like I said, they can continue on this path, and we will continue resisting, there is no doubt about that.