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New Jersey grants Civil Unions but not marriage to Gay Couples

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N.J. Lawmakers Approve Gay Civil UnionsBill Now Goes to Gov. Corzine

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - December 14, 2006 - Under pressure from New Jersey's highest court to offer marriage or its equivalent to gay couples, the Legislature voted Thursday to make New Jersey the third state to allow civil unions.

Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine said he would sign the measure, which would extend to same-sex couples all the rights and privileges available under state law to married people. The bill passed the Assembly 56-19 and the Senate 23-12. It is to take effect 60 days after the governor signs it.

"Love counts," Democratic Assemblyman Wilfredo Caraballo, a chief sponsor of the bill, said as the debate opened. "The gender of whom one loves should not matter to the state."

But Republican Assemblyman Ronald S. Dancer said: "It's my personal belief, faith and religious practice that marriage has been defined in the Bible. And this is one time that I cannot compromise my personal beliefs and faiths."

Massachusetts is the only state to allow gay marriage. Vermont and Connecticut have civil unions, and California has domestic partnerships that work similarly.

Among the benefits gay couples would get under New Jersey's civil unions bill are adoption rights, hospital visitation rights and inheritance rights.

Gay rights advocates welcomed the legislation as a step forward but said they would continue to push for the right to marry.

Some lawmakers also considered Thursday's action as an interim step on the way to full marriage rights.

"This should be called what it is - marriage." said State Senator Loretta Weinberg, D-Bergen, a sponsor of the bill. She said that the title should be changed after there has been some time to study how the civil unions bill works.

Senators voted down a measure that would have added language to the bill to define marriage as only between a man and a woman.

The bill was drafted in response to a landmark New Jersey Supreme Court ruling in October that required the state to extend the rights and benefits of marriage to gay couples within 180 days. The court, in its 4-3 ruling, left it up to the Legislature to decide whether to call such unions "marriages" or something else.

Gay rights groups have argued that not calling such unions "marriage" creates a different, and inferior, institution.

Steven Goldstein, director of the gay rights advocacy organization Garden State Equality, said he expects gay couples to be able to get married in New Jersey within two years.

Goldstein also said his organization would start an advertising campaign to persuade gay couples from New York and Pennsylvania to come to New Jersey to get civil unions - and to move to the state.

However, it's not clear whether gay couples will be lining up to get civil unions when the law takes effect.

Ivette Alvarez, a lawyer who works for many gay and lesbian couples, said she will tell her them to wait before signing up.

"It's very difficult to advise because we don't know what the civil unions will look like," she said. "No one has yet to really review this."

I am happy, it is just a name but same benefits. In 20 years not even the difference from the name will matter.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=politics&id=4851949
 
I hope people will look back on this in history and be as embarrassed about how symantics was even a factor in all of this. Just call the damn thing marriage!
 
I see this as a positive step forward.

So who wants to go and get hitched?

I'll bring the rice. ;)
 
Sorry GL, rice isn't good for the birds tummies. But I'll have popcorn for you and Brijan, if it's still on.

But I view this, too, as a step forward. Right now I don't care what they call it so long as there's equal rights.

Personally, I think the government should only recognise civil unions and let religion have marriages.

When one get married in a church, one still has to file for a marriage license. But when one gets a marriage license, you don't have to get married in a religious ceremony.
 
Agreed this is a positive step forward. Allow the dust to settle and marriage will be next
 
Here is the tally so far:

Marriage - New Jersey and Massachusetts

Civil Union - Vermont, Connecticut, Hawaii, and Maine

"Domestic Partner Registration" - California (Right now its better than nothing)

Seven down and only forty-three to go!

Let's all keep pushing forward!
 
Yeah, I'll concede that yes, it is a great step forward. It's just that the whole 'civil unions' and the white-knuckled grip conservatives have on marriage is so dumb.
 
Yeah, I'll concede that yes, it is a great step forward. It's just that the whole 'civil unions' and the white-knuckled grip conservatives have on marriage is so dumb.

It is dumb lum. But think of it this way, every journey begins with that first step. This is that first step.
 
It is dumb lum. But think of it this way, every journey begins with that first step. This is that first step.
It's a whole lot better than what the conservatives were proposing...to allow for civil union status for all living arrangements outside of marriage,like elderly siblings,family members,roomates....totally watering down the impact to make it a mockery.
The good news is that the state of New Jersey absolutely did not cave in to the pressures of adopting a constitutional amendment limiting definition of marriage to one of only a union of a man and a woman.This also will be revisited in several years to see how it is working...it is only really a matter of time,but civil unions will not be the end of the whole thing.

I am proud that my state has passed this law which even though not semantically marriage,offers all the legal and economic benefits of marriage.The unions of gay and lesbian couples now truly have the benefit of full legal standing....that in itself is a huge step forward.
 
OK,

We'll take it!

Let's get our "foot" in the door, to open it and make it open even wider as time goes on.....

Sure, we want the same as straights with ALL rights, etc; but lets proceed at a pace that we can manage....

Walk before we run folks!

Bravo New Jersey for doing what only a few others in the U.S. have done and for that we applaud your efforts!!!(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
 
No kidding! Especially since in Ohio we still can't even get them to add sexual orientation to an anti-bullying bill for the schools that was just passed.
God, that's awful!

I remember back in '04 in Michigan when Cardinal Miada released his statement that "This will not take away any rights, to our knowledge." The day that Proposal 2 passed and conservative groups started filing lawsuits against the university for breaching proposal two by giving same sex employee partners benefits, I went to every class on my schedule and wrote "Cardinal Miada is a liar" on the board.

They lied to voters about the implications of "...or any other similar union." But I guess voters just ate it up. It was a dark day for my opinion of people. Afterwards, when asked, several voters said that they didn't mean for it to take away rights from LGBTs and that they didn't know that it would.

I think I offered my soul to the Devil a few times that day in exchange for the power to wreak my vengence. It didn't happen...*sigh
 
I think that it is wrong to put gay couples through this. The same civil rights should be given on the federal level. States do not have enough power to provide the benefits that the federal government gives to married couples. Even if every State recognized gay marriages, it still would not provide full equality. It must happen on the federal level. Politicians passing the issue onto the States is just wrong.

I think that the politicians have been pushing it onto the states to slow down the progress.
 
Civil unions or not, I'm still going to get out of NJ, anyway. Too expensive, too corrupt, too crowded.
 
8,414,350 (New Jersey)
6,349,097 (Massachusetts) Only state with Gay Marriage
608,827 (Vermont)
1,211,537 (Hawaii)
3,405,565 (Connecticut)
1,274,923 (Maine)
33,871,648 (California)

55, 135, 947 Total

1/6th the entire US population should be enough for a "grand old experiment" regarding marriage, and whether extending equal rights to people will cause damage to society, or a traditional institution. After 1/6th of the population doesn't implode overnight I think the conseratives will lose any theoretical right to say gays are bad for the country and will only look even stupider when they try to invoke said arguements.
 
Our governments should NOT be in the business of 'marriage' to begin with.

Marriage is a religious ceremony. The government (on any level) should have nothing to do with it.

Civil unions should be what EVERYONE gets.

If a house of worship doesn't want to marry me, fine, but the government should have no say in it whatsoever.

I personally don't care what they call it, I just want the same rights and benefits that my parents have had.
 
Yeah, I'll concede that yes, it is a great step forward. It's just that the whole 'civil unions' and the white-knuckled grip conservatives have on marriage is so dumb.

Yeah, I'll agree to that. In my own mind, the term "marriage" means that there has been some form of "Blessing from God" on the union. And that heterosexuals who get a "marriage license" from a judge really just have a civil union.

In simpler terms, for me at least,
Basically, civil union recognizes two people as one as far as the law is concerned.
Marriage recognizes two people as one as far as the church/God is concerned.

Kinda goes back to the "render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; render to God the things that are God's."

Just my 2 cents
 
Our governments should NOT be in the business of 'marriage' to begin with.

Marriage is a religious ceremony. The government (on any level) should have nothing to do with it.

Civil unions should be what EVERYONE gets.

If a house of worship doesn't want to marry me, fine, but the government should have no say in it whatsoever.

I personally don't care what they call it, I just want the same rights and benefits that my parents have had.

Well put!

The government would recognize any set of two people as a couple as far as the law is concerned.

Then each religious organization/denomination can make up its mind on what it wants to do. It allows us to agree to disagree. The Southern Baptists can do what they want, and the ELCA can do what it wants.
 
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