New Pope Breaks With Basic Foundation of Christianity ... You Don't Have to Believe To Go To Heaven

[Mariatenebre]

What only Christians , how about Islam and Allah ? You do put across a proper discussion , unlike others here .

I hate Islam and all of the Abrahamic religions. They are all sexist, racist, homophobic, violent and hateful.

 

[medic1]

Why is it wrong to judge the beliefs of others? Beliefs have consequences and are acted upon in the real world. It's a dangerous precedent to set that certain beliefs should not be judged because they are deeply held by someone.

If someone deeply believes homosexuality is harmful to society for religious reasons, should that belief be off limits from judgement?

Just what do you not understand ?
There is nothing wrong with differing points of view . Totally different from Judging , honestly..........

 

[bort138]

Just what do you not understand ?
There is nothing wrong with differing points of view . Totally different from Judging , honestly..........

Could you give me your definition of Judging? I must not be using the word the same way you are. When I use judge, I mean "to form an opinion of or decide upon critically."

 

[bankside]

medic, I think the idea of whether there is a god or not is important enough that, impossible as it may seem, it is worthwhile at least trying to come to a rational consensus.

For instance, if there really were a god who sent moses down the mountain with instructions, we ought to pay them some heed. To me, personal choice applies to aesthetic things, like which colour i like better or which music is more my style.

Things like "the nature of the universe" or "does anyone hear prayers" matter. Sure, everyone has to make up his own mind. But if other people don't make up their minds in the same way, it should cause concern. The only thing that might be more worrying is if we all agreed - then there isn't even anything to provoke a challenge to the conventional wisdom of the day. Either way, it should cause enough concern to put up with a rousing debate, and enough curiosity about the ideas of others to hear our own views challenged in stark terms.

In that way I'd say there is something wrong with different points of view. One of us hasn't understood something important about the nature of the cosmos, or hasn't explained it properly.

 

[kallipolis]

I hate Islam and all of the Abrahamic religions. They are all sexist, racist, homophobic, violent and hateful.

Of course you do, for you thrive on hating.

 

[medic1]

medic, I think the idea of whether there is a god or not is important enough that, impossible as it may seem, it is worthwhile at least trying to come to a rational consensus.

For instance, if there really were a god who sent moses down the mountain with instructions, we ought to pay them some heed. To me, personal choice applies to aesthetic things, like which colour i like better or which music is more my style.

Things like "the nature of the universe" or "does anyone hear prayers" matter. Sure, everyone has to make up his own mind. But if other people don't make up their minds in the same way, it should cause concern. The only thing that might be more worrying is if we all agreed - then there isn't even anything to provoke a challenge to the conventional wisdom of the day. Either way, it should cause enough concern to put up with a rousing debate, and enough curiosity about the ideas of others to hear our own views challenged in stark terms.

In that way I'd say there is something wrong with different points of view. One of us hasn't understood something important about the nature of the cosmos, or hasn't explained it properly.

You are quite correct . We have spoken via the back-channel , and came to a civil understanding .

 

[medic1]

Could you give me your definition of Judging? I must not be using the word the same way you are. When I use judge, I mean "to form an opinion of or decide upon critically."

You are quite correct , we are not using the word in the same way .
As for giving you my definition of judging , here is an even better idea ! Try looking it up in a dictionary .
And while you do that , look up context as well . Have a nice day .

 

[Love me 2]

Of course you do, for you thrive on hating.

Hatred of anything Patriarchal, and yes, some people hates like there's no tomorrow...sad state of the tortured Souls

 

[Mariatenebre]

Hatred of anything Patriarchal, and yes, some people hates like there's no tomorrow...sad state of the tortured Souls

You should hate patriarchy. Patriarchy is the supremacy of men and the subordinate status of women. Since you defend patriarchy I take it that you are admitting that your faith is patriarchal and male supremacist which is something we already know.

 

[kallipolis]

You should hate patriarchy. Patriarchy is the supremacy of men and the subordinate status of women. Since you defend patriarchy I take it that you are admitting that your faith is patriarchal and male supremacist which is something we already know.

The respect that Catholics accord Mary, mother of Jesus would indicate that your accusation is groundless.

Despite an all male priesthood it is a fact of life that the real power in Catholic parishes resides in the hands of women...the power behind the throne, so to speak.

Appearances can deceive....you are easily deceived by appearances.

 

[Love me 2]

You should hate patriarchy. Patriarchy is the supremacy of men and the subordinate status of women. Since you defend patriarchy I take it that you are admitting that your faith is patriarchal and male supremacist which is something we already know.

Give me 1 solid unrefutable reason to hate Patriarchy. Personally, there are absolutely no unrefutable reasons to hate it.

 

[Love me 2]

The respect that Catholics accord Mary, mother of Jesus would indicate that your accusation is groundless.

Despite an all male priesthood it is a fact of life that the real power in Catholic parishes resides in the hands of women...the power behind the throne, so to speak.


Appearances can deceive....you are easily deceived by appearances.

Her Religion worships Mary as a Goddess, and of course that Goddess is not the Mary we know, and the Mary we know is not a Goddess, she's the Handmaid of the Lord, the Mother of God, The Theotokos (did I get spelling correct, Kallipolis?)

 

[bankside]

Give me 1 solid unrefutable reason to hate Patriarchy. Personally, there are absolutely no unrefutable reasons to hate it.

There is simply no reason to differentiate between people with penises and people with vaginas in terms of according them responsibility or authority. The patriarchal principle is that people with penises should be able to exercise a veto over the conduct of people with vaginas. There is nothing dignified or principled about it.

 

[kallipolis]

Her Religion worships Mary as a Goddess, and of course that Goddess is not the Mary we know, and the Mary we know is not a Goddess, she's the Handmaid of the Lord, the Mother of God, The Theotokos (did I get spelling correct, Kallipolis?)

The Theotokos (Θεοτόκος) is usually translated as God bearer, or one pregnant with God.

Μήτηρ του Θεού (mother of God) is the imprecise rendering commonly used by The Orthodox, and Catholic communities....
.... reflecting the identity of Jesus of Nazareth, God's presence in human life.

 

[kallipolis]

There is simply no reason to differentiate between people with penises and people with vaginas in terms of according them responsibility or authority. The patriarchal principle is that people with penises should be able to exercise a veto over the conduct of people with vaginas. There is nothing dignified or principled about it.

It might also be argued that the matter is not one of the penis, or the vagina but of the brain that matters when exercising authority....with Queen Elizabeth 1 of England, and Wales demonstrating that her golden reign, and longevity was more to do with her intelligence than her possessing a vagina.

 

[bankside]

It might also be argued that the matter is not one of the penis, or the vagina but of the brain that matters when exercising authority....with Queen Elizabeth 1 of England, and Wales demonstrating that her golden reign, and longevity was more to do with her intelligence than her possessing a vagina.

It might also be argued that a woman could be bishop of rome on account of her brain, but deference to patriarchy and 1500 years of outdated Salic tradition throughout Europe have precluded that. It might also therefore be argued that the current rules of the conclave place greater importance on having a penis than having a brain.

 

[kallipolis]

It might also be argued that a woman could be bishop of rome on account of her brain, but deference to patriarchy and 1500 years of outdated Salic tradition throughout Europe have precluded that. It might also therefore be argued that the current rules of the conclave place greater importance on having a penis than having a brain.

Tradition has a habit of ensuring that the culture of Palestine 2000 years ago remains a priority for many in 2013 notwithstanding that the popes were also born of women, and have good reason to believe that a woman could also perform their function as Bishop of Rome....not because they have a vagina, but because their brain works as well as any man's brain...as Queen Elizabeth 1 proved.

 

[Love me 2]

Here's an article for all to read before further commentary:

http://catholicozarks.blogspot.com/2013/09/can-atheists-go-to-heaven.html

 

[Love me 2]

The Theotokos (Θεοτόκος) is usually translated as God bearer, or one pregnant with God.

Μήτηρ του Θεού (mother of God) is the imprecise rendering commonly used by The Orthodox, and Catholic communities....
.... reflecting the identity of Jesus of Nazareth, God's presence in human life.

Thanks for this little bit of education

 

[Mariatenebre]

Give me 1 solid unrefutable reason to hate Patriarchy. Personally, there are absolutely no unrefutable reasons to hate it.

There are numerous irrefutable reasons to hate patriarchy. Patriarchy by it's nature is a refuted concept according to sociologists. Patriarchy is the notion that men are superior and as such must lead and rule women who are inferior. Under patriarchy women are kept subordinate to men and men are given the power. This is unjust because it reduces women's rights and maker her rights subordinate to men's power. It keeps women in a lowered position under men when in reality there is no difference between women's abilities and men's abilities and it keeps her low and under male power and control even if she has the mind and power to lead and work equally with the men. Sociology and statistics shows us that nations which are egalitarian always do better then societies that are patriarchal. This is chiefly because women and men can contribute equally to the society and be in positions that are there for their minds and accomplishments and not based on gender. Where as under patriarchy a woman is a mere handmaid to a man and is nothing more then his maid and his caretaker to his children. She is completely under him and has no power of her own. The society suffers from this because men are in power by virtue of their gender and not based on their minds and women are under men by nature and must depend on men to rule and have power over her instead of taking care of herself and being able to excel and rule alongside men. It essence women become nothing more then servants to men and men are given power by virtue of gender and not by their minds and this makes society suffer because we are denied the full contribution of women outside of being a man's handmaiden and men are given unjust power by sole virtue of their gender. Also patriarchal societies suffer because societies do better when all members of the society are able to contribute, lead and work freely and you have women relegated to being a man's handmaiden instead of being able to contribute to society in an equal fashion and work and lead freely. Plus societies that are egalitarian have better education because the women are able to be more educated, work and have less kids leading to prosperity. Patriarchy is as evil as Racial Supremacy and it by it's nature is Male Supremacy where men have power and women are subordinate to men. Sociology shows that cultures that are not patriarchal but are gender equal always do better then ones that are patriarchal and the more patriarchal a society is the more third world and primative it is.

The respect that Catholics accord Mary, mother of Jesus would indicate that your accusation is groundless.

Despite an all male priesthood it is a fact of life that the real power in Catholic parishes resides in the hands of women...the power behind the throne, so to speak.

Appearances can deceive....you are easily deceived by appearances.

Mary in Catholicism is nothing more then Yahweh's glorified secretary. She intercedes on behalf of Jesus but otherwise has no real power of her own. She is Yahweh's handmaiden and has power only in that respect. If you want to talk about Patriarchy the fact that Christianity and all of the Abrahamic religions has an all male god and no Feminine Divine speaks volumes of the misogyny in these religions. It in essence shows that masculinity is the Heavenly and Celestial principle and Femininity is merely something of this Earth. Yahweh and his Trinity is all masculine and he is surrounded by male angels. Even the ancient Greeks who had a thoroughly patriarchal society still had strong and powerful Goddesses who held power on their own authority and who were as equal and powerful as the Gods. Christianity has an all male god and all male angels so what does this really say about your religion.

Also women have no power in the Churches. All of the positions of power are chiefly there for men. Women are at best valued handmaidens whose power and prestige comes with serving the Church leaders. Again even in many patriarchal societies women could still be Priestesses. Women can not in Christianity so again what does that say about your religion. The appearance is not deceiving. Christianity is firmly patriarchal. Really all of the Abrahamic religions are the most patriarchal religions in the worlds. They are Patriarchy in it's purest and most undiluted form. Even the most Patriarchal of societies in the Ancient Pagan world could not have dreamed or even conceived of the pure and extremist patriarchy found on the religions of Abraham.