New York Mets 2009

[sonny10305]

It is just getting to painful to watch. Last night shutout with just two hits was beyond comprehension.

The Braves pitcher was outstanding we knew he would be going into the game, but come on, two hits?

David Wright said last week “We stink right now” and yesterday he elaborated and expressed himself and his feelings about the team as no one else has had the courage to say. “We have got to stop talking about the injured guys, said David, and went on to say “We have to start worrying about ourselves and winning games”.
If you play the interview over a few times you get the feeling David is also asking, when are theses guys coming back? He feels as if they have been gone too long and if they are waiting till they are 100% it will be too late.
I feel David’s pain and hare his frustration because it is obvious we do not know what is going to happen with Beltran or Reyes. Reyes was looking food running and doing agility drills, like he was just about ready. But that was almost a week ago and the Mets are not saying anything about his return. It is just one day he looks great then he next, well, we will wait a little longer and then we hear nothing at all. Beltran is the same, all we get are promising reports but then he has another MRI and we here maybe he is not so good. My worry about Carlos is that the bone is not healing and that is very bad, he should be healing, unless there is something much more serious is going on which I now believe is the case.
Guys his age just don’t not heal; they get better, somethins up.
Even if those guys do come back what shape will they be in? how well will they perform?
Getting Beltran and Reyes back will not be the magic bullet this team needs to start winning, we need change now, before it is too late if it isn’t already. 80+ games to go but every day like the last two is another nail in the 2009 coffin. We kept hearing BS like, after the break things will be better, after the break this and after the break that. Well it’s after the break, now what?
Omar did say when he made the franceour/Church trade last week it wouldn't be the Met last mover before the trading deadline. We have only hints about what might be next but the Mets did release Tim Redding yesterday; they are gong to eat his $2 million guaranteed contract.
Now we hear Julio Lugo will be available, the Red Sox are trying to move him out now that Lowrie and Lowell will be coming back. Ounce he clears waivers he will be designated for assignment by the Red Sox. Word is the Mets could sign him. Lugo's been a decent hitter, but as a shortstop he sucks. Now I know there ain’t a whole lot of talent out there for us to choose from. I just can not get all that excited about getting Lugo. Just another one of Omar’s bandage on a bleeding open wound.

I will never give up as I have said before until the last strike on the last game of the Mets season, but I am perplexed as to the reason the Mets have done so little to improve this situation, and continue to hide the truth about the injuries.

I watch the Cyclones play and all I see are happy energetic faces and a team determined to win. I watch the Mets play and well…not so much.

Saucy, perhaps tomorrow I will write more about the Cyclones and your question about the future Mets players now playing on that team.

 

[chance1]

scary how bad it's become

good news I will probably be able to upgrade my seats next year

 

[sonny10305]

WE WON, can I get an Amen and a Hallalulya

Can we pitch Santana everyday??? Can we huh???
Johan pitched very well l, allowing just five hits. I was most impressed by his breaking ball and how he was able to pitch to the same side of the plate to both the Braves righties and lefties which had to surprise them. Oh, and that changeup was off the hook. But you expect the changeup, I did not expect that oh so effective breaking ball, neither did the Braves. . Johan is the man!

A lot of good stuff going on in yesterday’s game. In a Mets game? Seriously? Are ya kidding?? Yup seriously.
Angel Pagan is on fire yesterday he went 3 for 4 including a run scoring triple in the ninth. Please stay healthy Angel.
Luis Castillo blew me away with that perfect suicide squeese bunt. I MEAN PERFECT! And kudos to Manual for using that play.
The pen gave us a scare but Stokes came through BIG TIME!
I loved that Manual used K-Rod in the 9th even though it wasn’t save situation. I guess Jerry wasn’t taking any chances on losing that game. Good move Jerry
The Braves thought they were so smart walking D Wright three times (is that some kinda record) to get to Franciouir. I guess Cox thought, hey we know how to pitch to Jeff, hey Bobby, think again cause he was 2-5 and that walking Wright kinda bit you on the ass.

Yesterday I mentioned how I felt we are not being told everything about the injuries or how serious they may be. Well low and behold did you hear Manual in the post game when asked about Sheffield who had come out of the game with a little limp. “He’s ok, just a strain….surgery on Thursday. Ha ha, a little dig at the Mets docs? Yeah we know Jerry, you say strain but can we trust that info. I just thought it was interesting that Manual would say that.
Obviously we are all on the same page regarding injury reporting huh Jerry??

Now the OMG scary moment of the game. In the fifth inning with two men on base, Kawakami dropped a sacrifice bunt down which Santana fielded and threw to third to get the lead runner. His throw was on target but Matt Diaz slid hard into third base, and D Wright twisted his ankle on the play in what looked like a serious injury.
But Ray Ramirez and Jerry Manuel came out, talked to David who said he was fine *heart pounding* In fact I felt a whole lot better when later in the game I saw David steal second base
Whew!!!!
David is fine but I was scared shitless. If you did not see it here is a picture of David as he reacted to the pain he felt.

 

[NYDan815]

First, thank you for the warm welcomes everyone, glad to be here

Secondly, sorry to be here in a time where I feel the Mets really are sunk. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE THE METS, and I will until the day I die, (2001-2005 and 2007-present proved that point) but this is a terrible season. Disappointment is lingering EVERYWHERE. The injuries were poorly handled and partly our responsibility because of entrusting the team with a 36-year old 1B, a 31-year old CF who has injury issues EVERY YEAR, and a flaky shortstop with injury issues in the past.

I loved Reyes, but I don't know what has happened to him, and I feel there are better options. Beltran is a good guy, but has his tendencies to be very "slumpy", so i feel he may be gone if we can find a suitable defensive replacement. Delgado has defined "slumpy" for years at a time, but is crucial to our offense, and his age has caught him. Plus, idk how he might come back from hip surgery, with his body-core-driven swing.

I think it is time for Omar to "abandon ship" and try to look forward. Meanwhile, it is imortant for the team to remain focused on the "One game at a time" approach and look it as, well we won today! lets try to do the same tomorrow!

I believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us, he has yet to steer us aimlessly and I think he can keep us focused. I believe Omar is the best GM in baseball for all of his "under the radar" moves to establish a decent ball team no matter what happens. I also believe the team needs to build around David Wright, Francoeur, Murphy, Evans, and Martinez.

Maybe its not time to abandon ship, maybe one player comes back and were an offensive juggernaut. What I'm saying is that its time to be realistic. Not the bipolar NY sports fans we are, but look at the team and say...

"I love this team no matter what they do! And I hope they do well tonight!"

Gay mets fans have learned to do that with DW. "Hey he struck out tonight! But he's still my God!"

And as far as ticket sales go, have DW perform a striptease before every game and I'm you're season ticket holder for life!

 

[sonny10305]

Atta boy Dan, never give up. Although I can not agree about omar, I think he ha made a lot of poor judgement calls as I have agonised in this thread over time.
We have no depth, nobody to pick up the pieces. I saw Tony Bernazard at the Cyclones game this week and wanted desperately to speak with him about that problem. Someday I will get my chance to vent to him.

Meanwhile, Another one down. Fernando Nieve was wheeled off the field with what looks like some sort of a quadricep injury.He is getting an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) today.
That injury may very well have cost us last nights game.
WTF is Tim Redding still doing here, I had read he was going down to make room for whomever.
GET RID OF HIM!!
Jon Niese is ready, more than ready, he is 5-1 with an ERA of .096. For those of you who might not totally understand ERAs, what .096 means is that Jon has only six earned runs in 56 innings In the same 56 innings he has struck out 46 and walked only 13.in Get him outta Buffalo bring him up in time for the Houston series.

I am still in a great mood in spite of what happened in yesterday’s Mets game.
I pitched yesterday, we won, and I was awesome

Here is an image I don't wanna see again.

 

[syam24]

I hate to say it, but it really is time to look towards next year and beyond. The Mets will not salvage this season with most of their starters injured. It is time to get Niese in the rotation for the rest of the year, get him the experience, and tutoring from Johan. Start trading some of the guys who may bring you a young player in return, ie Stokes, Santos or Schneider. If you can trade Castillo, do it. I will continue to support the Mets, but my white flag is on the way up the flagpole.......

 

[chance1]

First, thank you for the warm welcomes everyone, glad to be here

Secondly, sorry to be here in a time where I feel the Mets really are sunk. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE THE METS, and I will until the day I die, (2001-2005 and 2007-present proved that point) but this is a terrible season. Disappointment is lingering EVERYWHERE. The injuries were poorly handled and partly our responsibility because of entrusting the team with a 36-year old 1B, a 31-year old CF who has injury issues EVERY YEAR, and a flaky shortstop with injury issues in the past.

I loved Reyes, but I don't know what has happened to him, and I feel there are better options. Beltran is a good guy, but has his tendencies to be very "slumpy", so i feel he may be gone if we can find a suitable defensive replacement. Delgado has defined "slumpy" for years at a time, but is crucial to our offense, and his age has caught him. Plus, idk how he might come back from hip surgery, with his body-core-driven swing.

I think it is time for Omar to "abandon ship" and try to look forward. Meanwhile, it is imortant for the team to remain focused on the "One game at a time" approach and look it as, well we won today! lets try to do the same tomorrow!

I believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us, he has yet to steer us aimlessly and I think he can keep us focused. I believe Omar is the best GM in baseball for all of his "under the radar" moves to establish a decent ball team no matter what happens. I also believe the team needs to build around David Wright, Francoeur, Murphy, Evans, and Martinez.

Maybe its not time to abandon ship, maybe one player comes back and were an offensive juggernaut. What I'm saying is that its time to be realistic. Not the bipolar NY sports fans we are, but look at the team and say...

"I love this team no matter what they do! And I hope they do well tonight!"

Gay mets fans have learned to do that with DW. "Hey he struck out tonight! But he's still my God!"

And as far as ticket sales go, have DW perform a striptease before every game and I'm you're season ticket holder for life!

welcome

i must disagree with much of what you're posting here

Jerry IMO is a clown - more interested in soundbites than in leading - and when you look at the horrific fundamentals our team possesses, that is on the manager - yet he doesn't seem to take ownership of this

his handling of the pitching staff has not been strong and his playing of favorites is childish

as for Omar, time for a change - their payroll is huge - 2nd highest in baseball? not sure - the Ollie deal was a joke then and even worse now - you're not going to make an inconsistent pitcher (pitched best against braves, yanks, phillies) into a consistent one with .............. a long term deal at big dollars

how can daniel murphy be such a substandard outfielder defensively and they were counting on him to be a force? did he just suddenly forget how to judge then catch a fly ball? i doubt it

nice move getting tatis off the scrap heap LY - but one and out there

his big money to moises alou was ridiculous - old/brittle means DL

def caught lightining in a bottle with sheff - kudos for that

BUT THE FARM SYSTEM SUCKS

even if we had been in the hunt this year we could not have made a deal for a stud pitcher/hitter because ................. NO ONE WANTS OUR KIDS

all the boys called up as replacements have been duds

and the jury is out on Fernando Martinez

I love the Mets - BUT

i have eyes and i can see - and this team is difficult to watch - like cora dropping the force play yesterday - this is pretty common shit on this team - fundamentals blow

dropping 3 of 4 to the mediocre braves to open the 2nd half is inexcusable

time to reload - become sellers - if anyone wants what we have

as for reyes ............. i love him - but at 26 not sure he's gonna play any smarter from here on in - if we keep him we have to be prepared for the bonehead stuff he does - i still love him - not sure why - as he has underachieved down the stretch the last 2 years

beltran - no better CF in the game this year prior to injury - seems like he loafs (he's effortless) after flyballs but i think that's just a perception

wright - streaky - do love him - and he bleeds blue and orange which i like

this is a long post

ttyl

 

[NYDan815]

good game tonight, win when were supposed to!


chance, i have two defenses for omar:

1. whenever we NEED to make a move, he does it, and gets someone who helps, at least for a short time

ex. 2006, rotation is sloppy, add in oliver, who performs extremely well in postseason and has moments of brilliance

ex2. 2005, team has hit dysmal times, adds pedro martinez and carlos beltran, who bring attention back to NY

ex3. locks up Reyes and Wright after a great year of 06 in which they prove their worth and long-term value


2. (most important) he is the man who brought us JOHAN SANTANA, without whom, we would not even be remotely competitive.

3. who else can do what he does? the only other GM who is more effective than him is possibly Oakland's Billy Beane and even he knows he cant always make the best teams ever.

and the trade for johan, which NO ONE would say was bad, probably hurt our farm system for a year or two, but we can bounce back

its all about being competitive and maybe an easy schedule this monthcan help, but i dont think so.

either way, i wouldnt blame Jerry, he gets a fair shot at next year before we go angry mob on him lol

anyone else get a hard on when francoeur hit that home run?

 

[syam24]

The win was definitely a welcome sight, but nothing to get all excited over, we beat the Nationals, who are seemingly in a death spiral of their own. Beat a career minor leaguer in his debut. Jeff's homer was nice to see, I'm hoping this turns into a great trade in the long run. Let's see what we do against Long Island's John Lannan tonite. Let's go Mets!

 

[sonny10305]

Hey guys it sure was great to se so many of you posting yesterday. I Love that!
Lots of opinions, analysis but most of all lots of Mets love.

Ok so let’s start with last night’s game, I do agree that we have to put the game into perspective, it was after all the Nationals, the team with the worst record in baseball. Here we had some rookie kid J.D. Martin on the mound and no Zimmerman at third or on the mound. I had to notice that as soon as the Martin came out of the game our bats got cold, except for Francouir who had a great night at the plate.
But putting the state of the Nationals team aside we did see some excellent offence by Farncouir, Murphy, Castillo and Pagan .

The pitching was good as well with Livan Hernandez allowing just two runs and five hits in seven innings; he threw just under 100 pitches. Those Nats just could not get a good swing against him. So I guess he earned another shot in the rotation. Our pen also came through with Pedro Feliciano, Sean Green and Francisco Rodriguez all pitching scoreless innings.

I have been listening to Jerry Manual and I am wondering what message he is sending out. You remember the now famous injury joke about Sheffield “just a strain…surgery on Thursday” which caught the attention of Mets brass and doctors. Then he said because of all the injuries he is seriously considering using Livan Hernandez at first. He’s kidding right? I mean what kind of desperation message does that send out.

A couple of days ago I wrote about the possibility of acquiring shortstop Julian Lugo, I also wrote I was against that cause while he isn’t a bad hitter (.284) he sucks as a shortstop. No new news on when we could see him as a Met, supposidly when he becomes a free agent, which is soon. He has been working out at the Mets' complex in the Dominican Republic,

Fernando Nieve will be out at least six weeks after tearing a muscle in his right thigh. Originally he was put on the 15 day DL but after an MRI a tear was reveled so he will be out a lot longer
To fill Nieve's roster spot, the Mets called up outfielder Cory Sullivan from Triple-A Buffalo. Cory is batting .291 and is a very decent outfielder
We don’t know who will start in Nieve's place Saturday at Houston. But if there is a GOD it will be Jonathon Niese. They could also bring up Nelson Figueroa, who is also pitching well at Buffalo. But I want Niese.

The Jays have made an offer for Roy Halladay. But get this, they want Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and SS Ruben Tejada. I wonder how you guys feel about that.
One side of me thinks it is too much to give up and I don’t want to essentionaly mortgage our future. The other side of me says the Mets starting rotation has fizzed a bit and we could use him. I think about Santana and Halladay and I get stoked at the thought of having both of them. Plus I sure don’t want Phillies to get him. But I keep going back to the cost of all those guys. There is now fuckin way I want to loose Neise. I also think about the fact that we would still have Brad Holt Jennry Mejia, and Wilmer Flores. And the two best pitchers in the league in Santana and Halladay. What to do, what to do?
As for now the Mets have said thanks but no thanks and are not interested in that deal.

10 days till the trade deadline.

Tonight it’s Oliver Perez taking on John Lannan. I ain’t sayin nothin

 

[NYDan815]

to start:
that trade opportunity eek was possibly a major miss if the phils get doc halladay. im not desperate for him, but it would be a big boost to fan morale. i was surprised by only 4 players requested, but there is NO way we should give up Niese AND Parnell. I'd be fine giving them martinez, tejada, parnell and ANYONE else, but niese is our best shot at a future starter. in the meantime, the team should focus on a good, consistent powerful hitter. (ahem... ADAM DUNN!!!!...ahem)

Secondly: Tonight was a disappointment from the offense. We know what Ollie is as a pitcher and we couldn't score behind him. Lannan is an excellent pitcher and I am glad to see him get his first CG shutout, but why against us? lol. A win tomorrow is desperately needed and then its onto Houston, who is playing like a 500 team, which is more than we can say for the mets.

plus, is anyone else as surprised as I am that they're not further under 500 by now? the way these last series have been, im surprised were not holding a MUCH worse record.

7-22-09:
44-49
10 Games behind Phillies for 1st place
6.5 games behind the Rockies for the Wild Card


i think the brick wall emoticon should be the mets new logo, lol

 

[sonny10305]

Just another bad night of Mets baseball. Perez walked guys as usual, he has now walked 17 batters in 17 innings since returning from the disabled list. He also gave up 4 runs.
Not much offense but D Wright came sooo close and was robbed of an extra base hit and two RBIs by Nyjer Morgan who mad that ridiculous catch deep in center. One of those moments where all you can say is FUCK!
Fernando Tatis continues to hit into double plays. I actually said to the TV screen “NO DOUBLE PLAY” But he did it anyways.
Not for nothing but that was the second time that Lannan has thrown a complete game against the Mets this year.

On the positive side. I love what we are getting from Jeff Francoeur; he is hitting .364 with 1 home run and 7 RBI in eight games. Luis Castillo has hit in 13 out of 15 games in July, and he has hit .362 with 17 hits.

Yesterday I wrote about the Jays making an offer to the Mets for Halladay. It turns out that may not be true. In fact, according to Kevin Burkhard it never happened. Kevin thinks the story was circulated to maybe to drive up his price. Kevin also said he would have been on board with that trade and said “come on, it’s Doc halladay”!

Tonight it’s Mike Pelfrey facing Craig Stammen.

 

[syam24]

Last nite's game was essentially over after David Wright's drive was caught by Morgan, very little offense after that. Lannan pitched a fine game. As for the Halliday trade offer? I'm not sure that was valid info, seems like the Jays would ask for more. Also, Halliday has a full no trade clause, so not sure he would want to come to the Mets with their season on the downslide. He can basically pick and choose where he wants to be traded to, and if it were me, it would be to a team with a 95% chance of being in the playoffs, not a team 10 games out of first place. I'm thinking he may end up staying in Toronto, or end up with the Angels or Phillies (grrrrrrrr).

 

[chance1]

no idea if the Halladay rumors/reports are true

if they are, I would've done the deal IF ................. I got a good sense I could sign him - if not, no way

as i have stated before, our prospects rank very low in all of the published reports so to get a guy like Halladay which would give us a better 1-2 pitching rotation than anyone .............. well IMO you have to do that deal

anyway ...............

anyone else here the story on tony bernazard ........... challenging binghamton players to a fight in the clubhouse and berating an underling behind home plate at citifield

radio guys are saying "fire him"

i could care less about telling the binghamton players they suck - cuz they do

i do care about our inability to develop players

and for that perhaps he should be fired

but fire minaya first - the fish stinks from the head down

the Mets are quite frankly .................a SHIT SHOW

2010 is where it's at right now

 

[sonny10305]

I thought Pelfrey did better last night, he only walked one and gave up six hits. Then he faced Josh Willingham and did not make the right pitching choice for sure. cause Josh put one in the upper decks. But at least Pelf did not have a meltdown. Trouble is watching him pitch you sorta wait for that collapse. He gets to emotional out there, if an umpire makes a call against him he starts to fret and make all those wacky motions. He has good stuff, has great physical strength, and was a top ten pick, but he leads the league in baulks (6) and losses focus to easily. He is a total head case. I don’t know if Warthen can do anything about that, it is all in Pelf head. I am convinced of that. I saw a shot of him in dugout on his last outing bagging his pitching hand on a table in the dugout. Like I said a head case.

D Wright made a very interesting comment about the Ollie Perez loss the other night. David said, and I paraphrase, "Lannan pitched a great game, knows how to throw strikes and some could learn something from him”. An absolute message to Ollie.

Francoeur has got to stop dropping balls, I like his bat but I do worry about his defensive skills, he is no Ryan Church out there but then that is exactly what I said after that trade.

Angel Pagan’s triple that ended up in a run due to a Braves throwing error was awesome. I love what Angel is doing.

Julio Lugo will not be a Met after all. I mentioned the possibility of him coming to us but he is going to St Louis which is Fine with me, did not want him.

No official announcement yet but it is looking like I may get my wish with Jon Niese pitching on saturday. The only other choice would be Redding, which would be a BIG mistake, or Figueroa.
I am keeping my fingers crosed for Jon.

Day off today, then its will be Johan Santana and Mike Hampton in Houston on Friday.

 

[syam24]

Bernazard must go! THe thing about Pelfrey's pitch that Willingham hit was that he threw the exact same pitch prior to that one, a hanging slider that Willingham watched for a strike, then Pelf throws the same pitch, hangs it again and wham, it's gone. Poor pitch selection/execution. Otherwise, it was the same old crap, no offense. Franceour is an excellent OF, just lost it in the lites, he's the least of our worries.

 

[sonny10305]

Bernazard must go! THe thing about Pelfrey's pitch that Willingham hit was that he threw the exact same pitch prior to that one, a hanging slider that Willingham watched for a strike, then Pelf throws the same pitch, hangs it again and wham, it's gone. Poor pitch selection/execution. Otherwise, it was the same old crap, no offense. Franceour is an excellent OF, just lost it in the lites, he's the least of our worries.

Well it was like I said about Pelf, he made a bad pitch choice. But I am in no way going to take that away from what I thought was a good outing from him.
If the Mets had rallied in the 8th after that reed double we would not even be having this conversation. But even after Pagan walked Fernando Tatis and Daniel Murphy blew it.
Speaking about Tatis, it brings me to something I forgot to mention in my earlier post. The only reason Tatis was in the game was because Louis Castillo got ejected. The play involved Castillo, and Wright who tried to throw to second for a force. The ball fell out off Castillo’s glove. Everyone could see he had fumbled the play everyone including Castillo who played the fool and argued the call knowing full well, in my opinion, that he had not made a clean play. Castillo has been a major part of what ever productive components we have left and at a time when we need all that we can get it was stupid of him to allow himself to be thrown out of the game.

As to Francoeur and his duck and cover play when he lost the ball. All I said was he needs to stop dropping balls (or ducking from them) He also fumbled a line drive off his glove the night before. But I get it, he lost the ball in the lights but it just seems that is more of what we are all about, dropped pop ups, confused base running, crappy throws to the wrong base, it just goes on and on.
I like the way Frenchie has taken to advice from Ho Jo like getting stance pointers and making adjustment in the batter’s box. He said is getting his foot down earlier so he can separate and see the ball. “It’s something I haven’t been doing a bunch, but we’ve been working on it real hard and I’ve been doing pretty good.”
I think the thing about getting his front foot down quicker, he is not in as much of a hurry to bring his hands through the zone, plus of course It gives him more time to see the ball, and that is very important in hitting.

Now we get to Tony Bernazard, this guy has been a time bomb just waitin to go off.
He has had a history of problems going way back. His meddling in the Mets clubhouse was a very sore subject during the Randolph time. Wille accused Tony of undermining him to the other players and spending too much time in the clubhouse instead of in the minor camps were he belonged. Friends of Willie Randolph have said that Randolph held Bernazard responsible for getting him fired.
Tony also recently had a run in with Francisco Rodriguez, and another unnamed player (Santana?) said that Bernazard is having a cancerous effect on the Mets' clubhouse. "That guy is crazy, No one likes him."
For now while the “investigation”is going on Bernazard has been sent home to New Jersey, he will not be traveling any of the clubs or even visiting its affiliates. Assistant GM John Ricco, will be traveling with the Mets in Houston this weekend while Minaya does the scouting duties.
To Tony's defense yesterday came Binghamton Mets coach Mako Oliveras who said:“I think it’s been blown out of proportion. Tony was trying to pump the players up, he took his shirt off but he had a T-shirt on underneath. To me, he never threatened anybody or asked anybody to fight. Before he started the meeting, he took his shirt off. I’m telling you, it’s been blown out of proportion.” Of course, what do we know about Mako’s credibility

The bottom line for me is we need to know exactly what happened here. If he is as loose a cannon as it appears, he is he needs to go. Otherwise what kind of message would be sent to theses kids in the Minors. The Mets need to show that this type of behavior is not acceptable from anyone, in particular a VP in the organization. If they don’t than the simple signal to players, both in the major and minor leagues, that Bernazard is untouchable.
Many are saying that because Bernazard is close to Jeff Wilpon,and Omar Minaya (who got him hired), he will not be fired.
Initial signs indicate Tony Bernazard's job is safe for now, but the Mets' patience with Bernazard could change if any more ugly incidents come outt.

I just want o say in closing that I have never liked this punk. If you read some of my posts from last years Mets ’08 thread I think you will find some of my choice words for him. Maybe the changes we need in this organization should start by getting rid of Bernazard. After all, besides being a man o vey questionable character, ask your self, what exactly has he done for the farm system to warrant keeping him on? Yup the change should start with him, we have no farm system no depth all because of his and (Omar’s) but mostly Tony’s incompetence.

 

[chance1]

The Bernazard thing is just a distraction IMO - instead of focusing on the team needs (2010) we're talking about a clubhouse incident + now stories from everywhere coming out

he backstabbed willie
he upset K-Rod
etc.

talk radio and the local papers LOVE a villain

i could give a shit

the team we are putting on the field is a joke - lost 2 of 3 to the Nationals

yeah yeah - lots of guys out - cry me a river

they're in a free fall

as i have said before "the fish stinks from the head down"

and if tony b is such a waste of space, then it's on Omar or perhaps Jr. Wilpon

not sure

but it is NOT the real issue

which is our development or lack thereof of players

over and out

 

[sonny10305]

Hey chance I have to disagree with you on Bernazard, I think it is a major problem and not just a “distraction”, when a VP in the Met organization behaves the way he does, and by the way more and more horror stories are beginning to come out, it is very important to the Mets to address the problem. For almost as long as Tony has been in that position we have heard a lot of very disturbing things about him. For some reason the Mets have chosen to allow him to be the loose cannon he obviously is. We are only now hearing about the incident that happened before the All Star break, but come on you mean to tell me the Mets did not know about this. I think they did and have allowed him to do business that way.
I certainly agree with you that we have many many problems on the field but that for me does not change my feeling about addressing issues like the Bernazard one or that it is not just as important. Bernazard has done a very poor job, he is supposed to develop players, well where are they? Think if you will how things would have been with all the injuries if we had a decent farm system to help us through this tough time. Many teams have relied on the farm to help during time like the Mets are having and with much better success.
No,Bernazard has not done his job; Omar and Wolpon have allowed this to go on. Even now when it is painfully obvious that we have no depth both Omar and Jeff seem to just shrug and say, Oh Well.
I follow minor leagues almost as closely as I do the majors, and let me tell you most of the top minor league affiliates are in last place. why? Well ask Bernazard ask him why we have no stars in development. He is to busy butting into the Mayor Leagues business and challenging some of those minor leaguers to a fistfight. I have seen him a few times in Brooklyn at Cyclones games but he never makes himself available to the fans. If he ever does you can be sure I have a few hundred questions for him. If he takes off his short I will kick his ass.
Omar Minaya, never answers direct questions. Try counting how many times he says “you know” in his statement. Well, No Omar we don’t know. Then there is Jeff and Fred Wilpon, when is the last time we heard anything from them? All we ever heard from Jeff was about how wonderful the new Citi Field is.

The players have got problems and the leadership is a major part of that problem. No one is minding the store.

I wanted to share this cute quote I found from comedian and well-known Mets fan Jim Breuer “They suck. It’s like being in love with an alcoholic. It’s like, you constantly defend her, and people are like, ‘Dude, your alcoholic friend is a mess,’ and you’re like, ‘Nah, you don’t know her like I do.’”

 

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Hey chance I have to disagree with you on Bernazard, I think it is a major problem and not just a “distraction”, when a VP in the Met organization behaves the way he does, and by the way more and more horror stories are beginning to come out, it is very important to the Mets to address the problem. For almost as long as Tony has been in that position we have heard a lot of very disturbing things about him. For some reason the Mets have chosen to allow him to be the loose cannon he obviously is. We are only now hearing about the incident that happened before the All Star break, but come on you mean to tell me the Mets did not know about this. I think they did and have allowed him to do business that way.
I certainly agree with you that we have many many problems on the field but that for me does not change my feeling about addressing issues like the Bernazard one or that it is not just as important. Bernazard has done a very poor job, he is supposed to develop players, well where are they? Think if you will how things would have been with all the injuries if we had a decent farm system to help us through this tough time. Many teams have relied on the farm to help during time like the Mets are having and with much better success.
No,Bernazard has not done his job; Omar and Wolpon have allowed this to go on. Even now when it is painfully obvious that we have no depth both Omar and Jeff seem to just shrug and say, Oh Well.
I follow minor leagues almost as closely as I do the majors, and let me tell you most of the top minor league affiliates are in last place. why? Well ask Bernazard ask him why we have no stars in development. He is to busy butting into the Mayor Leagues business and challenging some of those minor leaguers to a fistfight. I have seen him a few times in Brooklyn at Cyclones games but he never makes himself available to the fans. If he ever does you can be sure I have a few hundred questions for him. If he takes off his short I will kick his ass.
Omar Minaya, never answers direct questions. Try counting how many times he says “you know” in his statement. Well, No Omar we don’t know. Then there is Jeff and Fred Wilpon, when is the last time we heard anything from them? All we ever heard from Jeff was about how wonderful the new Citi Field is.

The players have got problems and the leadership is a major part of that problem. No one is minding the store.

I wanted to share this cute quote I found from comedian and well-known Mets fan Jim Breuer “They suck. It’s like being in love with an alcoholic. It’s like, you constantly defend her, and people are like, ‘Dude, your alcoholic friend is a mess,’ and you’re like, ‘Nah, you don’t know her like I do.’”

If they want to fire Tony B because they feel he is not doing the job - which IMO is finding young developing talent ........... fire him - i have no attachments to him - it does seem like he is a loose cannon

i just think this is a diversion - not the REAL issue

i am by no means a FAN of Tony B

Having worked at big corporations it seems to me like the Mets r like any of them - favorites get away with things that regular folks do not - and Tony B is clearly a fav or one or more Wilpons

thanks for the Jim Breuer joke - its sooooooooooo true - and funny

have a good one