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News Story: Mexico city approves gay civil unions

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You're welcome. I'm still sort of stunned by it all. You know the church is going ape shit over this.
 
Good news!! Thanks for posting.

Buenos Aires became the first city in Latin America to declare civil union rights for gay couples in December 13, 2002 (took effect in 2003). The historic vote — 29 to 10 with no abstentions — took place after intense debate. Gay marriage in Spain and civil unions in Buenos Aires and Mexico City are major steps in the right direction.

Here is some additional info from Wikipedia:

In Argentina, marriage is allowed between a man and woman. However, starting in 2003, the Autonomous City of Buenos Aires and the province of Río Negro offered the possibility of civil unions, which are private contracts between two responsible adults (opposite-sex and same-sex couples) who have lived together for at least two years. These couples are granted some of the rights provided to married couples.
The civil union gives both members of the couple health and insurance benefits and hospital visitation rights, but do not allow same-sex couples to receive inheritance, the possibility to marry, or the right to adopt children.
At a national level, Argentina extends widow/widower pensions to surviving partners of same-sex couples. Four Argentine labor unions have now extended National Security System medical benefits to employees’ same-sex partners. The unions and the system operate jointly in the health-care arena. The benefits are available to members of the unions for teachers, commerce employees, executives and air-transport personnel. In December, 2005 a judge in Argentina agreed and ordered jails and prisons across the province to authorize conjugal visits for all gay prisoners. The ruling also allows inmates who develop relationships inside jails also to be allowed sexual relations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unions_in_Argentina
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Matti -

Here is an updated map that includes relatively recent changes (Marriage in Spain) and current discussions.
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marriage,_unions_and_partnerships_by_country)

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I'm surprised too! Mexico is more liberal than I realized!!
 
GL247 said:
Well, Mexico City is. I'm still not convinced the whole of Mexico itself is.
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i wonder if this means that the prd is a gay friendly party; 'cuz the article said that they pushed this piece of legislation through.

if that's the case, then it's realy be sad that they weren't powerfull enough to coerce the last presidential election.
 
The interesting thing is that they didn't really approve "gay civil unions". If you read closely, what they actually approved was contracted civil unions between any (two) people. Yes, that includes gay people, but I bet you they never would have gotten it through if they'd just done that. As it is, a guy and chick can enter into one of these unions -- but they can later get married, while same-sex pairs can't.

Now if they'd raise the ante to give these couples all of the benefits of marriage, they'd be moving the right direction!
 
In Mexico city upper and middle upper classes are liberal no lower ones and the rest of the counrty is very conservative, but this are good news to all of us...
 
I haven't done the research on this, but two different people told me, during my recent travels, that the Catholic Church USED TO marry same-sex couples as well. This was supposedly a thousand or more years ago. Does anybody know about this one way or the other?

And, if this is true, why isn't this ever presented as an argument?

GREAT to see this okayed in a place with such a large population. Mexico City has well OVER HALF as many people as Canada!
 
I've taken some church history courses, and I don't recall anything like that. It would be fun to look up, though. If it is there, I suspect it wouldn't be marriage per se, but something reasonably equivalent.
 
prairie_looner said:
I haven't done the research on this, but two different people told me, during my recent travels, that the Catholic Church USED TO marry same-sex couples as well. This was supposedly a thousand or more years ago. Does anybody know about this one way or the other?
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the catholic church wasn't around 1000 years ago. (atleast not officially). westerners (us) say that the great schism in 1054 created a seperation of christainity between eastern christianity (which we call christian orthodox) and western christianity (which called itself the roman catholic church)

as far a gay marriage before the schism: possible but i would doubt it because the VERY early christian churches seemed to do everything they could to shake off everything that was "ancient-roman-like" which included damning gay unions.

but don't take it as a "no" 'cuz at the time, there was enough lee-way for individual churches to "do thier thing." so there might have been some churches that did do gay weddings.
 
Congratulations to Mexico City, and good wishes to our brothers and sisters in that huge city.
 
davy said:
the catholic church wasn't around 1000 years ago. (atleast not officially). westerners (us) say that the great schism in 1054 created a seperation of christainity between eastern christianity (which we call christian orthodox) and western christianity (which called itself the roman catholic church)

as far a gay marriage before the schism: possible but i would doubt it because the VERY early christian churches seemed to do everything they could to shake off everything that was "ancient-roman-like" which included damning gay unions.

but don't take it as a "no" 'cuz at the time, there was enough lee-way for individual churches to "do thier thing." so there might have been some churches that did do gay weddings.
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Rome's official line is that the Catholic Church began when Jesus told Peter, "On this rock I will build My church", and it became the Roman Catholic Church when Peter got to Rome and became the city's bishop. After that, anyone who went a different way was leaving the "true church".

More realistically, the RCC as we know it began about the time that one of the great saints (I can't recall which) started dumping his wealth into keeping things together when the western Empire bit the dust, somewhere around 600. Change worked two ways; the church picked up administrative duties the Empire had been doing, and the tradition of laws down to various minutiae infected the church.

So my guess is that any "mutual bonds" that weren't hetero holy matrimony would come from before that time; afterward, there was too much uniformitarianism to allow local liberty.
 
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