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Newt Gingrich- The last man standing

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And the soon-to-be Republican nominee ...



I find there to be a lot of similarities in the position where John McCain was in during the 2008 primaries, and where Gingrich is now.

Neither of them were polling as Front Runners.
Both of their campaigns were facing bankruptcy at one point.
Both of them saw a bounce back towards the end.

With Cain's sexual harassment claims ...
With Perry "Ooops"ing into self-destruction ...
Bachmann out of the picture ...
Romney an outright rejection for teh Republican base ...

And the fact that his own baggage is nothing new and has been in the spotlight for many years now ...

There is no doubt in my mind that Newt Gingrich will be the Republican Nominee to face Obama in 2012. This came down to another contest of simply who the last man standing was after all the others tore each other to pieces.

Your thoughts?
 
You are delusional.

Gingrich is poison. His life is so filthy that he can never scrub it clean.

At the moment, there are a number who haven't torn one another to pieces.

It is more likely to be Huntsman than Newt.

He is the un-Romney.
 
Its possible but the odds are favoring Romney. Even being known he will have a hard time overcoming the baggage he has and making comparisons to John McCain will not serve him well with the current mood of the party base.

It is true that he and Romney are the most serious and electable candidates in the running so far. I think it is going to boil down to a race between Gingrich and Romney.
 
I really don't think Gingrich will get the nomination. He's got too much baggage. The Christian right doesn't like him.

The republicans just don't have a viable candidate this time. I still think it will be Romney.
 
Which of course is a shame because Gingrich is quite possibly the smartest man in politics at the moment.

I see him as the wing man for Romney. His baggage is in the past and can be played well since it is in the past. Things like; how many of you have a divorce? I am a lot like you.

His congress can take much of the policy credit that Clinton is oft given for such a booming economy in the 90's. BTW it does not hurt that Clinton himself is bagging on Obama in his new book.

This might get interesting.
 
JayHawk said:
Which of course is a shame because Gingrich is quite possibly the smartest man in politics at the moment.

I see him as the wing man for Romney. His baggage is in the past and can be played well since it is in the past. Things like; how many of you have a divorce? I am a lot like you.

His congress can take much of the policy credit that Clinton is oft given for such a booming economy in the 90's. BTW it does not hurt that Clinton himself is bagging on Obama in his new book.

This might get interesting.
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A Presidential candidate being divorced isn't a big deal. Look at Reagan. What's the big deal is his numerous affairs and mistresses. Nowadays a divorce means nothing to most people. He was impeaching Clinton when he was slutting around himself.

Then there's his ethics scandal when he was Speaker of the House.

Many Democrats view him as the catalyst for the great divide in politics today. He was reckless and petty: shut down government when he had to sit in back of Air Force One. If he did get the nomination, that would rally Democrats to get out and fight him off.... at least in states where Republicans haven't suppressed the voting.

Newt thinks he's the smartest man in politics. He's not.

Thought should add:

To some people divorce is a big deal. My Dan thought Bob Dole was the man to vote for in 1996 until I told him about Dole's affair with his secretary, divorce and marriage to Elizabeth... the secretary he was having the affair with. After I pointed out that every Republican running for the nomination was a divorced man except for Clinton, he turned against all the republicans and voted for Clinton.

Getting a little on the side may be bad, but divorcing your spouse is worse to some people.
 
Oh dont get me wrong I do not support the idea of Gingrich pulling the top job. that will be Romney. The grinch will take the Veep spot and while it can be argued McCain lost more votes for Sarah Palin I doubt the same is true of Gingrich.
 
Nor do I. Obama is quite possibly the best conservative we can elect right now. But the question is who is running. We haven't gotten to who is going to win yet.
 
CowboyBob said:
To some people divorce is a big deal. My Dan thought Bob Dole was the man to vote for in 1996 until I told him about Dole's affair with his secretary, divorce and marriage to Elizabeth... the secretary he was having the affair with.
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Sorry, typo. I meant to say my Dad, not my Dan. My Dan was Democratic through and through.

God, I miss both of them.....
 
It's not so much that Newt is such a strong candidate, but rather that Romney is such a weak one. His positions are so unfavorable to the core Republican voters, it isn't even funny.

Such a huge voting block of Christian voters alone will simply not vote for him because he is a Mormon.

Secondly, being a Pro Choice "baby killer" is far more horrid to the Christian Right than having an affair. Of course, since then he has flip flopped on that, which has done nothing but enforce his reputation as a flip flopper who will say anything to get elected.

He is seen as a Corporate America candidate, something the Right is not interested in, other than the wealthiest in the country.

He employed illegal immigrants at the Governor's mansion while touting the need to be tough on Illegal Immigration.

His record at creating jobs while in office was abysmal in MA.

And of course, he mandated Universal Healthcare on the citizens of MA, something Obama has complimented Mitt on. It doesn't get any worse than that.

He simply is not electable. Why everyone on here keeps thinking he is, is really beyond me. I guess people base it entirely on the polls and his electability in a General Election.

I think getting the Republican nomination alone will prove to be more difficult for Romney than actually winning in the General Election. He is greatly disliked amongst Conservatives.

As far as the Economy goes and creating jobs, as I was talking about, MA was 47th in the country at job growth while he was in office. That is horrendous.

I think everyone looks to the polls way too much, when in reality, Romney was also the Front Runner in 2008 and was leading the polls then, too. But when the dust settled, how many Primaries did he win?

Michigan
Nevada (caucus)
Wyoming
Maine
Massachusetts
Montana (caucus)
Utah
Minnesota
Colorado
North Dakota
Alaska

... while McCain won 31. Has anyone bothered to question who these polling companies are calling? Are they calling Independents? Independents can't vote in Republican primaries. But it is interesting to see candidates that poll high, but when it comes to actual voting, those poll numbers don't translate into actual votes.

Romney simply can not and will not capture the Bible Belt.

Therefore, that bounces back to Newt, whose baggage has been out there for years and is old news. And when it comes to adultery vs not being a Conservative, Newt's very old baggage is going to trump the Right's dislike for Romney when the dust settles.

The Right is very uncompromising in what they demand out of their candidate this go round. And that is only going to bite them in the ass in the General Election.
 
Wizard, you bring up a lot of good points and you're getting me to think that you may be right. Newt just might get the nomination. Hell froze over again.

But he won't get elected. He's too polarizing a politician.
 
Gingrich, expected to fall out a while back after a crack about Paul Ryan's plan and a Sun AM hit job on him by MTP's David Gregory .............. has stood the course

and done well as the "elder statesman"

plus in the debates he's toned down the angry ....

more likeable

as i said in an earlier post (u should pay more attention fellas)

Newt is wicked smaaaaaart (picture Boston P saying it for effect)

Romney as 1 - Newt as 2
or
Newt as 1 - TBD as 2

is how it's likely to be
 
CowboyBob said:
Wizard, you bring up a lot of good points and you're getting me to think that you may be right. Newt just might get the nomination. Hell froze over again.

But he won't get elected. He's too polarizing a politician.
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Yeah, I'm definitely not saying Newt will win in a matchup against Obama. But I do think that since his baggage is out there and is old ... and that his actual positions and record are far more enticing to Republican voters than Romney's positions and record ... that the Right will enter "forgive and forget" mode like "Christians are supposed to do" and will overlook that moreso than Romney's actual positions and his record of not being a Conservative ... not to mention a job creator, either.

For someone that touts himself as a job creator, 47th in the country while he was in office is horrendous.
 
If republicans would pay more attention to the moderates, they would have a better chance. By catering to the far right fringe with people like Bachmann and Perry they're wasting their time. Of course, the moderates aren't news worthy... it's the wild ones that grab the headlines.

It's the same thing with those on the far left. Obama moved to about as center as you can get now. I wish he was more left..... or liberal as a lot like to put it, but he's not.

But it's the entire republican party that slid to the right, and it's their own fault for doing that. The pendulum is heading in the other direction than they're going.

BIll Maher said something interesting last night. If Huntsman and his 1% would move to the center, he might have a better chance than all the others who are catering to the far right. Since everyone is screaming how conservative they are, not everyone in the republican party is far right and he would attract more attention. But as I said, the moderates don't get the attention.
 
CowboyBob said:
A Presidential candidate being divorced isn't a big deal. Look at Reagan. What's the big deal is his numerous affairs and mistresses. Nowadays a divorce means nothing to most people. He was impeaching Clinton when he was slutting around himself.

Then there's his ethics scandal when he was Speaker of the House.

Many Democrats view him as the catalyst for the great divide in politics today. He was reckless and petty: shut down government when he had to sit in back of Air Force One. If he did get the nomination, that would rally Democrats to get out and fight him off.... at least in states where Republicans haven't suppressed the voting.

Newt thinks he's the smartest man in politics. He's not.

Thought should add:

To some people divorce is a big deal. My Dan thought Bob Dole was the man to vote for in 1996 until I told him about Dole's affair with his secretary, divorce and marriage to Elizabeth... the secretary he was having the affair with. After I pointed out that every Republican running for the nomination was a divorced man except for Clinton, he turned against all the republicans and voted for Clinton.

Getting a little on the side may be bad, but divorcing your spouse is worse to some people.
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Your "Dan" cared so much about the marriage statuses of the candidates that he switched parties to vote in Clinton?

I question Newt's desire to be president. I personally think he's trying to sell books. Remember all the cruises and vacations he took early on? That doesn't sound like someone committed IMHO.
 
One thing to take away from the Republican Primaries is that Newt has had enough of the "Gotcha questions" and "Mickey Mouse games" ...



Aside from him pulling a McCain and coming back from nothing in terms of where his campaign was at, his several attempts at debating the moderators during debates will unquestionably be amongst his primary highlights.
 
Why of course the GOP loves Newt. He is post child of moral Christian Family Values. They love to cast stones at the liberal Democrats but they love there Newt. By they way Newt will all your wives be on the campaign trail?
 
Newt is like a vulture, just flying around waiting for his chance to swoop in because he can't get the job done himself. He won't be the nominee, barring any major fuckups by Mitt-sey, it will be him, the others are just sideshow attractions.
 
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