Newt, History, Ethics, and the Presidency

[BostonPirate]

Newt Gingrich is becoming more and more popular as a presidential candidate for the next season, and I thought discussing him in his terms would be productive. I first read a story about 2 days ago that his ex-wife said he could never become president, and that intrigued me. I will use that interview as a starting point.

"There's no way," Marianne Gingrich tells Esquire Magazine in a profile of the ex-Republican leader posted on the magazine's website Tuesday. "He could have been president. But when you try and change your history too much, and try and recolor it because you don't like the way it was or you want it to be different to prove something new ... you lose touch with who you really are. You lose your way."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/10/no-way-newt-can-win-ex-wife-says/?iref=allsearch

titilating story there, and my first thought was.... well she's a bitter ex wife that just doesn't like him. But then I asked how many wives has he had, and that brought me to this...

Newt proposed to Marianne (she was 28, he 36) in 1980 while his first wife, Jackie, was in the hospital recovering from treatments for uterine cancer. He hadn't yet even asked her for a divorce. Newt met Jackie in high school. She was his geometry teacher. He was sixteen, she was 25. When he left, Jackie was nearly destitute.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/11/newt-gingrichs-skeletons-his-past-wives/

ouch... so he was cheating on his wife as she was laying in her deathbed dying of cancer. The woman who criticized him above is the woman he was cheating on his dying wife with....OUCH

but that wasn't enough.... it seems that as he was leading an impeachment charge against Clinton for having extramarital sex, he was having an affair on the second wife with who would become his third wife....

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.

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Gingrich, who frequently campaigned on family values issues, divorced his second wife, Marianne, in 2000 after his attorneys acknowledged Gingrich's relationship with his current wife, Callista Bisek, a former congressional aide more than 20 years younger than he is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258001,00.html

check


[*]first wife dumped and he was having an affair as she lay dying of cancer.
[*]second wife dumped as he was having an extramarital affair with third wife while he was impeaching a president for having an extra marital affair.

Perseverance is the hard work you do after you get tired of doing the hard work you already did.~~Newt Gingrich

got it there... not too good with keeping pledges or oaths especially to the most important people in his life....

But this sent me in a different direction...

Am I the first to notice or recall some sort of ethics issue he had....

Wednesday, January 22 1997; Page A01

The House voted overwhelmingly yesterday to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and order him to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House's 208-year history it has disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.

Now that is not a first that I would want to be proud of. I couldn't remember exactly what the 84 charges were that had riled up such bipartizan anger, so I hunted around....

Gingrich is paying $300,000 for the costs of an ethics committee investigation after admitting last year he made inaccurate statements during a lengthy probe into Democratic allegations that he misused tax-exempt donations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/101198.htm

which brought me full circle... see I had been thinking that Newt was two faced for saying that Clinton should be impeached for his affair, which they were both having simultaneously, but in fact that was not the case at all.....

"The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge," the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton's 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. "I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258001,00.html

So Newt knew he was also an adulterer and was also a perjurer as he hacked Bill Clinton to bits , and when the american public caught on, he was the first sitting speaker of the house to be reprimanded.

Now we have an emergence of Newt Gingrich as a presidential candidate, yet by his own definition he does not qualify due to ethics issues and beliefs that he used to try to bring an american presidency to its knees.

I have no doubt in my mind that there have been hosts of american presidents who have cheated on their wives and lied about it, but Newt seems trapped in an ethics circle to which there is no escape for him. To forgive himself, he has to admit that he was wrong in his judgement of Bill CLinton and that means he wasted months and millions on something he not only approved of, but was actually doing himself.

And now the primary season for the republican nomination of the man who will face Obama begins....

It Ain't gonna be pretty when he has to debate Mama Grizzly Palin on the treatment of women and gender politics within their party, OR Huckabee the minister when he has to answer questions of chronic infidelity.

What do you think of Newt and his chances of actually making a run? Will he pull a guilianni if he does and just implode in his own nonsense, or will he double speak his way into the nomination?

I will leave you with one of his most famous quotes....

I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around a campfire but are lousy in politics. ~~Newt Gingrich

 

[CowboyBob]

While demonizing President Bill Clinton for his tryst with Monica Lewinski, Newt was out screwing around with another woman himself. He told his wife to accept the affair which she refused.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40880.html

Newt Gingrich's ex-wife, Marianne, says that the former speaker will never be president. He's a bottom dweller and in good company: Bob Dole, Rush Limbaugh, John McCain.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around a campfire but are lousy in politics. ~~Newt Gingrich

This is one of the many reasons why many people in America feel that Democrats don't have a backbone.

Jeezus!

If Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, and Carl Rove were being "nice" I'd hate to see what there "nasty" is.

I voted YES in the poll.

Americans are known for having a short memory, and an even shorter attention span.

Gingrich and his supporters, and those within the GOP who support him are counting on it.

He'll use that "nasty" against Palin, and eat her for lunch.

Divide and conquer what's left of the "Tea Party" at that point, and appeal to their more "fiscal conservative" side.

He'll find retribution against Dick Army, and Tom DeLay, and because the GOP might think that they'll have a chance of regaining the White House at that point will fuck their own mothers to make sure that he's elected.

THEN the Republicans and their newly united GOP under Gingrich can go back to patronizing a cohesive "base" and restoring America to the "promise" that our Founding Fathers always wanted; God, Guns, and Anti-Gay!

The only difference between a pessimist and an optimist, as that a pessimist has more facts. ~centexfarmer's Dad

I'm just saying.

 

[BostonPirate]

it's such an intriguing process, centex!

really thinking about it brings you in so many directions...

newts presidential bid is going to be very complex...and americans don't do well with complexity. They tend to want things tied up in a 3 second blurb on the radio.

And I have to say this...

Newt is not an idiot. Quite the opposite, he is extremely intelligent.

 

[CoolBlue71]

Does anyone picture Newt Gingrich winning any of the key four caucus/primary states — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and, a bellwether for the pre-nominee GOPs, South Carolina — en route to the 2012 Republican presidential nomination?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Does anyone picture Newt Gingrich winning any of the key four caucus/primary states — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and, a bellwether for the pre-nominee GOPs, South Carolina — en route to the 2012 Republican presidential nomination?

I do!

All he has to do is to latch himself on to any of the "policy statements" (written or implied) of the Tea Party Movement, pander to that base at every speaking engagement/Sunday morning talk show, and he's in like flint!

Gingrich can take Palin down in less than a sentence or two on "Meet The Press," and it will be headlines across the country on Monday Morning, and he'll have proved his point by breakfast on Tuesday.

Palin could blather on incoherently about her response (and attempt to persuade what she thinks as her base), and by the evening news Gingrich with have PWND her ass with the same level of ineptitude.

The difference is Gingrich knows who his "base" is within the GOP, and Palin might be able to sell some Amway if she plays her cards right.

 

[BostonPirate]

I think Chris Matthews said it one night...

the repubs with charisma have no policy understanding.... like Sarah and Bachmann....

then you have the ones with the intellect like Romney and Pawlenty.... smart men who have NO charisma whatsoever. They almost put you to sleep when they talk.

Newt imay be shady and two faced, but he has intellect and he has the ability to charm large amounts of the Repub base, I note the contract on america as the prime evidence of that.

 

[KTheLibra]

The thought of Newt being President is just too horrible to even think about entertaining. First of all, us homos would be FUCKED. And not in the fun way.

 

[JB3]

but that wasn't enough.... it seems that as he was leading an impeachment charge against Clinton for having extramarital sex, he was having an affair on the second wife with who would become his third wife....

Not true. The impeachment charge was about Clinton committing perjury, not about him getting a BJ in the oval office.

 

[BostonPirate]

Not true. The impeachment charge was about Clinton committing perjury, not about him getting a BJ in the oval office.

keep on reading.....

did you get to the part where Newt was nailed for lying during the ethics hearings??????

 

[JB3]

keep on reading.....

did you get to the part where Newt was nailed for lying during the ethics hearings??????

So? You said that he was going after Clinton for the act of extramarital sex, which isn't true. They went after him because of perjury.

 

[BostonPirate]

which brought me full circle... see I had been thinking that Newt was two faced for saying that Clinton should be impeached for his affair, which they were both having simultaneously, but in fact that was not the case at all.....


Quote:
"The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge," the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton's 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. "I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258001,00.html

So Newt knew he was also an adulterer and was also a perjurer as he hacked Bill Clinton to bits , and when the american public caught on, he was the first sitting speaker of the house to be reprimanded.

this part......

 

[MoltenRock III]

it's such an intriguing process, centex!

really thinking about it brings you in so many directions...

newts presidential bid is going to be very complex...and americans don't do well with complexity. They tend to want things tied up in a 3 second blurb on the radio.

Agreed! The electorate is as stupid as a golden or black lab. Dumb as balls.

And I have to say this...

Newt is not an idiot. Quite the opposite, he is extremely intelligent.

Which makes his actions even more detestable. He knows he's spouting bullshit and hate speech and yet has no issue doing it. Karma is going to destroy this man very very slowly and painfully. His wife exposing his hypocrisy is only step one in his ultimate demise.

 

[JB3]

this part......

I still understand that. But you're still persisting in the idea that Gingrich went after Clinton because of the BJ, which isn't true. Even if Newt was being hypocritical about it, the fact still remains that perjury was the reason why he went after Clinton.

 

[MoltenRock III]

I still understand that. But you're still persisting in the idea that Gingrich went after Clinton because of the BJ, which isn't true. Even if Newt was being hypocritical about it, the fact still remains that perjury was the reason why he went after Clinton.

Bullshit!

They only went after him to hamstring his Presidency so he couldn't pass any effective laws or help the country. They didn't give a shit about any of his actions. Just like now, Republipukes are only interested in destroying the President. That's all they care about. They hate America.

 

[BostonPirate]

I still understand that. But you're still persisting in the idea that Gingrich went after Clinton because of the BJ, which isn't true. Even if Newt was being hypocritical about it, the fact still remains that perjury was the reason why he went after Clinton.

no, and if there is any misunderstanding I will clear it up in simpler terms...

I thought at first that Gingrich had nailed CLinton for doing something that he had done... sexual impropriety....

But if you follow the trail of wives, you see that actually, Newt was after Bill for lying under oath..... and that is precisely what Newt did that got him reprimanded. They never proved any of the 84 counts.... they just proved that he had perjured himself and they fined him 300,000 bucks for it.

On Dec. 13, 1996, the subcommittee issued an S.A.V. charging Mr. Gingrich with three counts of violations of House rules. Two counts concerned the failure to seek legal advice in regard to the 501(c)(3) projects, and one count concerned providing the committee with information which he knew or should have known was inaccurate.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/18/u...ort-by-house-ethics-counsel.html?pagewanted=4

they nailed him for lying about talking to his lawyers.

He tried to nail clinton for lying about having sex.

are we on the same page yet?

Clinton and Gingrich were the two big ethics stories of the nineties, and they are BOTH ethics issues of Honesty. Newt tried but failed to impeach the president for perjury and failed when in fact, Newt was found guilty of ethics charges, those being he lied to an investigative body, and lost HIS job over it.

House acts as crandjury and plaintif, Senate acts as jury, supreme court justice oversees the procedure as judge, and the court was held in the congressional chambers.

it's the grudge fuck that has them all at each others backs with ethics even to this day.

The salacious manner in which clintons sexual encounters were disclosed indicated that the republicans were out to make a moral statement. How many people do you know that cheated?? How much details do you know? How many details of clintons cheating do you know by comparison?

We know the Blowjob under the desk as he shoots his load on her shoulder, and he sticks his cigar into her puss and chews the end of it.... now thats some fucking details I don't know sexually about most of my best friends. AND I WOULDN"T want to. The sex scandal was MASKED with this aura of " we are only doing this to show america how he lied.

They could have just said they had DNA evidence and left it alone... but they ladled out details of each sex act, and they did it over and over again.

the excuse for making bills private sex life public was the dishonesty issue, and the Irony is that Newt was reprimanded as speaker for having a dishonesty issue.

 

[rareboy]

Gingrich is never going to viable for anything other than landfill.