Nicole Scherzinger

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This thread has been dead for over a month and you had to revive it?!

Nicole is not a powerhouse vocalist. Anyone with an unbiased ear can hear that she does not have the same vocal force that more powerful singers have. You can argue with me as much as you want, but your videos are proof. Leona Lewis, for example, was immediately compared to Whitney and Mariah, for a reason. Nicole, no. She's not being underrated, especially since PCD was centered around her anyway. If she had such abilities, don't you think hear team would have marketed her as such? I guess her own people, especially Jimmy Iovine who loves Nicole, is trying to sabotage her.

This is all relevant to the topic because your initial question was: "Why is so underrated?" The fact is that she is not being underrated, if she does not possess the abilities. Unfortunately, being a singer or dancer does make her not great. She's not above average at any particular ability, so why should people continually talk about her for her talents, if she's not gifted or advanced? Even when compared to other pop singers, she's not particularly unique, beyond her looks.

All of these women, Rihanna, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, etc. can sing and dance to certain degrees. However, no one "praises" them for one particular talent. If there is praise, it's usually biased for one reason or another. Beyonce receives the most praise because, well, she is Beyonce. Even then, it's not that her dancing, in and of itself, is particularly amazing. It's the OVERALL performance with her. It's the combination of factors with her. The same goes for Lady Gaga. Don't worry though, none of them are going down as top dancers.

Ciara gets praise for her dancing. She was always compared to Janet. When she first became well-known and she, along with Chris Brown, were constantly placed alongside each other. She was a backup dancer for Usher! Ciara just does not receive praise for her music, for the past couple of albums, if anything. No one is underrating her as a dancer. The reason Nicole does not receive that kind of praise is she does not possess the same abilities as Ciara. Nicole has never demonstrated has never done difficult, high impact, fast paced, or extremely technical choreography in her shows.

I responded to this thread because I just signed back on. What's with the "?!"? There's no rule against bumping threads on JUB.

You keep repeating that, but can't really argue your point well. You say that there are better singers, but I never said there aren't. There being better singers doesn't make Nicole any less of a good singer like I've already said. Your Leona argument is weak too. Leona is known for singing power ballads like Bleeding Love so why wouldn't she be compared Whitney and Mariah? Nicole, on the other hand, is known for singing sex-themed songs like Don't Cha and Buttons in skimpy clothes. Of course the average person is not going to think highly of her vocal abilities and be aware that she can sing well. Why do you think that 95% of the comments under the Phantom video are from people expressing shock over her singing abilities and even wondering why she went the pop singing route? And they're not biased Nicole fans because Nicole fans already know she can sing well and aren't surprised by the video. And of course PCD was centered around her. She was hired to be the singer when Robin Antin wanted to turn the burlesque act into a pop group. Speaking of PCD, most people claimed that Melody Thornton was the best singer in PCD in their heyday when that's definitely not true (watch Melody try to perform their songs on her own) so that's another example of how general perception and truth aren't always in sync with each other. As for your last point about Interscope not marketing her as powerhouse singer, why would they? Where is Leona Lewis now? Even Nicole is doing better than her in the UK.

Yes, you've said that before and you still can't back it up. You claim that that "compared to other pop singers, she's not particularly unique," but I've mentioned practically every major pop star like Rihanna in my previous posts and you can't argue that Nicole isn't more talented. Instead you brought up people outside of the entertainment world, Broadway performers and professional dancers to undermine her abilities. You know very well that Nicole is a better singer and a better dancer than the vast majority of pop stars (and can perform well in both areas). As for unique, we've already gone through this. People like Rihanna cannot pull of a Leona Lewis song/performance and vice-versa, but Nicole can pull off both.

"Well, she is Beyonce"? Lol, so much for talking about bias. I'm not impressed by her "overall performance" and many people do consider her a great dancer when she's not. And there's nothing impressive about her performing abilities. The best thing about that the Run the World BMAs performance was the visuals copied from another artist, not the vocals and definitely not the dancing.

I'm aware Ciara gets praised, but it's limited. Also, I've never said that Nicole is a better dancer than her, but she's definitely one of the best. The only active pop stars nowadays better than her are Ciara and Jennifer Lopez. As for Nicole not getting praise for her dancing, this is just her singing; most people aren't even aware she's a good dancer. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake at their peaks received a lot more praise for their dancing then Jennifer Lopez. Are you going to argue that either of them are better dancers than her? Don't.

Nicole's last 2 tracks weren't even released in the US (possibly dropped by label over there). But, here you go

Right There - #39 Peak
Your Body - #34 Peak

Nicole's album - been working on it since 2005, delayed for eternity in the US and eventually canceled there, released in 2011 in the UK. Sold 19k in the UK
Christina's album - released in the US to 70k opening and opened in the UK with 9k.

lol.

Fact check:

a) Nicole's last two singles were Wet and Try With Me. Wet was released as the UK/Australia single when Don't Hold Your Breath was released in the US. Try With Me is just a UK single for their re-release of the album.

b) Are you seriously bragging about Your Body peaking 5 spots above Right There lol? The former peaked at its debut and free fell off the charts while the latter charted for over 3 months. Right There has gone gold. Your Body is not going to.

c) Nicole started working on her album Killer Love in 2010 and it was released in 2011. That album that she was working in 2005-07 was scrapped, but the work was released. It was called Doll Domination.

d) Not sure how you're adding US sales into this since the UK is a much smaller territory, but Killer Love sold +19K in its first week out in the UK. Lotus sold 10K less copies. Killer Love went onto sell over 300K in the UK. Do you really think Lotus is going catch up there?

If you're going to use Wikipedia to troll Nicole, you might want to spend more time reading instead of eagerly responding. At least you didn't respond 3x to that post like last time. lol.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

You keep repeating that, but can't really argue your point well. You say that there are better singers, but I never said there aren't. There being better singers doesn't make Nicole any less of a good singer like I've already said.

Good. Yes, if good means decent. However, why should her being a good singer warrant more attention than other pop stars? Your first statement was:

She's a much better singer and dancer than most pop stars out there (and better-looking too).

Besides the singing and dancing, there are other talents, skills, or performance traits that other pop artists possess beyond singing and dancing. Even if you want to stick to just singing and dancing, to make a claim that she is better than most pop stars is a huge stretch.

Your Leona argument is weak too. Leona is known for singing power ballads like Bleeding Love so why wouldn't she be compared Whitney and Mariah? Nicole, on the other hand, is known for singing sex-themed songs like Don't Cha and Buttons in skimpy clothes. Of course the average person is not going to think highly of her vocal abilities and be aware that she can sing well. Why do you think that 95% of the comments under the Phantom video are from people expressing shock over her singing abilities and even wondering why she went the pop singing route? And they're not biased Nicole fans because Nicole fans already know she can sing well and aren't surprised by the video. And of course PCD was centered around her. She was hired to be the singer when Robin Antin wanted to turn the burlesque act into a pop group. Speaking of PCD, most people claimed that Melody Thornton was the best singer in PCD in their heyday when that's definitely not true (watch Melody try to perform their songs on her own) so that's another example of how general perception and truth aren't always in sync with each other. As for your last point about Interscope not marketing her as powerhouse singer, why would they? Where is Leona Lewis now? Even Nicole is doing better than her in the UK.

Musical style is completely separate from vocal abilities. It does not matter what kind of song she sings, she does not have the ability to crescendo to the same degree that someone like Leona Lewis does. Which is why Nicole was never marketed that way. It's not about musical style, it's about her natural voice. Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, etc. all did Pop music during their time, but no one denied their vocal abilities, regardless of what style of song they sang. That is why they receive the praise and that is why Leona is compared to them, her voice.

As for Nicole's voice, she's never displayed the same abilities. I mean, if you want to use Stickwitchu as a reference of Nicole's abilities, go ahead. Theme aside, it's a ballad. Nicole does display more skill, if that is what you mean, in the previous videos, but her voice has not changed. As for the term power ballad, it is actually not about a person's vocal abilities. That is your misunderstanding, by the way.

There's no denying her strong range and power so let's not even get into that. Of course she's not the only pop singer with power, but most other powerhouses don't have control like Nicole does (see Christina Aguilera).

Yeah, I remember this statement, which was why I first entered the thread. I have yet to hear that powerful voice that you mentioned. As for Melody, she did have a more powerful voice than anyone in the group. However, Nicole was the lead singer, thanks to politics. In addition, thank you for answering my statement about Interscope's not marketing Nicole as a powerhouse vocalist. You're right, why would they? Because she is not, which means her voice, in that aspect, is not anything special. Along the same lines for marketing, Nicole has been on a two reality shows, one as a contestant and one as a judge, which is why she's more relevant than Leona. On the other hand, she had to resort to reality shows, which says what about her career? The problem is, you're not talking to some average person.

Yes, you've said that before and you still can't back it up. You claim that that "compared to other pop singers, she's not particularly unique," but I've mentioned practically every major pop star like Rihanna in my previous posts and you can't argue that Nicole isn't more talented. Instead you brought up people outside of the entertainment world, Broadway performers and professional dancers to undermine her abilities. You know very well that Nicole is a better singer and a better dancer than the vast majority of pop stars (and can perform well in both areas). As for unique, we've already gone through this. People like Rihanna cannot pull of a Leona Lewis song/performance and vice-versa, but Nicole can pull off both.

Again, even if you want to stick to entertainment, Nicole does not stand out with any of her abilities. We get it, you love NICOLE! Shall we include Pop Stars, past or present? Should we include Florence, Ellie Golding, Justin Beiber, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Miguel, etc.? Does she write her own songs? No. Does she create her own choreography? No. Does she come up with her own style choices? Probably not. Nicole may be able to sing a Leona Lewis song, as far as the key is concerned, but that's it. Nicole singing a Leona Lewis song is like Keri Hilson singing a Whitney Houston song. She can only do so much. Don't overstate her voice! She does not have it, which is why she is not marketed that way, which is why the general public will never take notice of her singing abilities, because she does not have that kind of voice. Your videos are proof!

"Well, she is Beyonce"? Lol, so much for talking about bias. I'm not impressed by her "overall performance" and many people do consider her a great dancer when she's not. And there's nothing impressive about her performing abilities. The best thing about that the Run the World BMAs performance was the visuals copied from another artist, not the vocals and definitely not the dancing.

Nope, what I meant by that is that she is so famous, people will overstate her abilities. As for Beyonce's ability to perform, she has proven consistently that she can perform live, which includes singing and dancing, but is not limited to either. It's okay that you do not like Beyonce, but she has performed consistently over a decade as a part of a group and nearly a decade as a solo artist. Again, overall is the key word and there is more to performing than singing/dancing.

I'm aware Ciara gets praised, but it's limited. Also, I've never said that Nicole is a better dancer than her, but she's definitely one of the best. The only active pop stars nowadays better than her are Ciara and Jennifer Lopez. As for Nicole not getting praise for her dancing, this is just her singing; most people aren't even aware she's a good dancer. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake at their peaks received a lot more praise for their dancing then Jennifer Lopez. Are you going to argue that either of them are better dancers than her? Don't.

Nicole is not one of the best and you are really delusional. She is not Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez, Ciara or even Britney Spears (should I include males?). Yes, Britney was never amazingly talented at dancing, but she was great in her prime, even on her Toxic tour. Most people, who are aware of Nicole, are aware that Nicole is a good dancer. Again, she's not amazing. Justin Timberlake was a great dancer in his solo days and even Usher gave him a nod.

 

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Here's what we're going to do. We're going to compare Nicole to Christina when she actually makes a valuable contribution to pop music.

You're comparing Nicole's first, second releases to Christina's work which is being released when she's well over a decade into her career. Oh and Christina's singles still chart better in the US (where Nicole started too but can't stay relevant or have a solo hit despite performing on X Factor US last year ). You can do comparisons if Nicole even lasts a decade into her career, which she probably wont.

Now go compare her first, second releases to Christina's first and second and you'll see my point "'Nicole is under-rated' is overrated"

Must be so sad being Nicole not knowing what a #1 single or album in your home country feels, and also not knowing how a Grammy feels. And also not knowing how being relevant feels. And also not knowing what successful touring around the world feels like.

So yes if you're actually going to compare Nicole to Christina and say she is better, you are fucking stupid. You can always say "I like her more" which is your opinion. But it's an insult to Christina to be put in the same boat as Nicole. But she is not better in any way.

And for the record, I am not a major Christina fan. In fact I hate her Lotus era probably more than anyone here on JUB. But I'm giving credit where credit is due.

 

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Good. Yes, if good means decent. However, why should her being a good singer warrant more attention than other pop stars? Your first statement was:



Besides the singing and dancing, there are other talents, skills, or performance traits that other pop artists possess beyond singing and dancing. Even if you want to stick to just singing and dancing, to make a claim that she is better than most pop stars is a huge stretch.




Musical style is completely separate from vocal abilities. It does not matter what kind of song she sings, she does not have the ability to crescendo to the same degree that someone like Leona Lewis does. Which is why Nicole was never marketed that way. It's not about musical style, it's about her natural voice. Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, etc. all did Pop music during their time, but no one denied their vocal abilities, regardless of what style of song they sang. That is why they receive the praise and that is why Leona is compared to them, her voice.

As for Nicole's voice, she's never displayed the same abilities. I mean, if you want to use Stickwitchu as a reference of Nicole's abilities, go ahead. Theme aside, it's a ballad. Nicole does display more skill, if that is what you mean, in the previous videos, but her voice has not changed. As for the term power ballad, it is actually not about a person's vocal abilities. That is your misunderstanding, by the way.



Yeah, I remember this statement, which was why I first entered the thread. I have yet to hear that powerful voice that you mentioned. As for Melody, she did have a more powerful voice than anyone in the group. However, Nicole was the lead singer, thanks to politics. In addition, thank you for answering my statement about Interscope's not marketing Nicole as a powerhouse vocalist. You're right, why would they? Because she is not, which means her voice, in that aspect, is not anything special. Along the same lines for marketing, Nicole has been on a two reality shows, one as a contestant and one as a judge, which is why she's more relevant than Leona. On the other hand, she had to resort to reality shows, which says what about her career? The problem is, you're not talking to some average person.



Again, even if you want to stick to entertainment, Nicole does not stand out with any of her abilities. We get it, you love NICOLE! Shall we include Pop Stars, past or present? Should we include Florence, Ellie Golding, Justin Beiber, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Miguel, etc.? Does she write her own songs? No. Does she create her own choreography? No. Does she come up with her own style choices? Probably not. Nicole may be able to sing a Leona Lewis song, as far as the key is concerned, but that's it. Nicole singing a Leona Lewis song is like Keri Hilson singing a Whitney Houston song. She can only do so much. Don't overstate her voice! She does not have it, which is why she is not marketed that way, which is why the general public will never take notice of her singing abilities, because she does not have that kind of voice. Your videos are proof!




Nope, what I meant by that is that she is so famous, people will overstate her abilities. As for Beyonce's ability to perform, she has proven consistently that she can perform live, which includes singing and dancing, but is not limited to either. It's okay that you do not like Beyonce, but she has performed consistently over a decade as a part of a group and nearly a decade as a solo artist. Again, overall is the key word and there is more to performing than singing/dancing.



Nicole is not one of the best and you are really delusional. She is not Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez, Ciara or even Britney Spears (should I include males?). Yes, Britney was never amazingly talented at dancing, but she was great in her prime, even on her Toxic tour. Most people, who are aware of Nicole, are aware that Nicole is a good dancer. Again, she's not amazing. Justin Timberlake was a great dancer in his solo days and even Usher gave him a nod.

Here's what we're going to do. We're going to compare Nicole to Christina when she actually makes a valuable contribution to pop music.

You're comparing Nicole's first, second releases to Christina's work which is being released when she's well over a decade into her career. Oh and Christina's singles still chart better in the US (where Nicole started too but can't stay relevant or have a solo hit despite performing on X Factor US last year ). You can do comparisons if Nicole even lasts a decade into her career, which she probably wont.

Now go compare her first, second releases to Christina's first and second and you'll see my point "'Nicole is under-rated' is overrated"

Must be so sad being Nicole not knowing what a #1 single or album in your home country feels, and also not knowing how a Grammy feels. And also not knowing how being relevant feels. And also not knowing what successful touring around the world feels like.

So yes if you're actually going to compare Nicole to Christina and say she is better, you are fucking stupid. You can always say "I like her more" which is your opinion. But it's an insult to Christina to be put in the same boat as Nicole. But she is not better in any way.

And for the record, I am not a major Christina fan. In fact I hate her Lotus era probably more than anyone here on JUB. But I'm giving credit where credit is due.

Oh, God. I just came back to this thread and reading these long speeches from these two old white gays was embarrassing.

Neither Christina Aguilera nor Melody Thornton are better vocalists than Nicole Scherzinger. Is this a joke? Xtina has awful technique and the idea that Melody was the better singer in PCD is laughable. You two have zero credibility, especially the deluded one that thinks Melody is a good singer lmao.