Nigerian police detain goat over armed robbery

[RationalLunacy]

Nigerian police detain goat over armed robbery

LAGOS (Reuters) – Police in Nigeria are holding a goat on suspicion of attempted armed robbery.
Vigilantes took the black and white beast to the police saying it was an armed robber who had used black magic to transform himself into a goat to escape arrest after trying to steal a Mazda 323.


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I wonder if that goat used to be that rich Nigerian widow who keeps sending me emails?

 

[belamy]

Oh please, a little girl was arrested at her school in America for throwing tantrums: it doesn't get any more idiotic than that.

 

[NameTaken]

Yup, because arresting an actual person (for what may or may not have been violent [not all tantrums are just crying]) is completely comparable to arresting an animal for using black magic.

 

[belamy]

Yup, arresting an actual person is completely comparable to arresting an animal for using black magic.

Arresting a goat is a Monty Python act even if was intended as something serious, but arresting a little girl in a country like America is beyond surrealism because law and people are expected to be taken more seriously in the USA than anywhere else
If you are a teacher capable of being "pwned" by a little girl you are a far bigger threat to society than the girl, and if you are a policemen acting as an accomplice in all that you are behaving like a criminal yourself.

 

[NameTaken]

Arresting a goat is a Monty Python act even if was intended as something serious, but arresting a little girl in a country like America is beyond surrealism because law and people are expected to be taken more seriously in the USA than anywhere else

Double standard, much? Because one country has higher standards hardly makes the act in itself more ridiculous. And in almost every country ridiculous arrests happen.

Also, in response to your ninja edit: I'd say it's more responsible in today's society of suing over everything to call the police to restrain a child throwing a tantrum than attempting to do so yourself and having the child's parents bring a case against you.

 

[GL]

i take a firm stance against goats committing larceny.

i hope they throw the book at him.

 

[belamy]

Double standard, much?

Indeed, simply because the standars of the USA only make sense in the USA.
What is, not just unfair, but perverse, is to pretend that law and rights are natural facts that can be developed anywhere independently of cultural traditions and social prejudices.
Therefore, I am not talking about setting a different standard for other countries but, setting a standard in the USA which happens to be "higher" than what other countries are able or willing to implement, a different standard for those other countries is automatically set by default.

You can't help being different, the problem is when you twist that situation into a deliberate intention of fostering differences. That's when the hypocrisy of the real "double standard" is born, and I'm not saying that has never been by the USA or the Western world, but that's a different matter. We were considering domestic policies and the rule of law inside countries, not the demagogics involving vested interests in considering standards and differences in different countries.

I'd say it's more responsible in today's society of suing over everything to call the police to restrain a child throwing a tantrum than attempting to do so yourself and having the child's parents bring a case against you.

That's simply a socially accepted irresponsibility, like medicating your kids with sedatives so that they become less hard work, instead of taking the challenge and responsibility of actually educating them. There is at least as much danger in such practices as in meth-addict parents or single motherhood (Coulter-wise ).
In accepting that you are complying with the accepted practice, but that doesn't make it any less wrong than the old practice of "treating" homosexuality because you couldn't face it and it represented a threat to the received views.

 

[NameTaken]

It doesn't matter how you attempt to justify a double standard, it is what it is. You trying to make out the arrest of an unruly child in today's sue-over-everything-society to be even in the same league of ridiculous as the arrest of a goat for black magic is simply stupid.

Indeed, simply because the standars of the USA only make sense in the USA

You are now contradicting yourself in a sense belamy. First you post about the USA arrest of that child in comparison to the arrest originally posted about, but NOW you say that the standards of each country only mean something to that individual country. Well if the standards of each individual country only apply to that country than you can't logically compare the two arrests.

And belamy, if you think it's responsible to get sued and possibly lose your job, more power to you.

 

[belamy]

It doesn't matter how you attempt to justify a double standard, it is what it is. You trying to make out the arrest of an unruly child in today's sue-over-everything-society to be even in the same league of ridiculous as the arrest of a goat for black magic is simply stupid.



You are now contradicting yourself in a sense belamy. First you post about the USA arrest of that child in comparison to the arrest originally posted about, but NOW you say that the standards of each country only mean something to that individual country. Well if the standards of each individual country only apply to that country than you can't logically compare the two arrests.

And belamy, if you think it's responsible to get sued and possibly lose your job, more power to you.

You are not reading me: the double standard exists when you promote the existence of two different situations.
The hypocrisy and the fallacy, your hypocrisy and your fallacy, which is in fact theprevailing one in the Western world, consists in pretending that you are being fair and opposing double standards by paying lip service to equality while in fact refusing to face the real inequality: equality or double standards don't depend on what you say, but in the accurate analysis of facts; saying simply that there are two different situations doesn't no imply a different standard, it's when, instead of working from that difference towards equality you accept that situation as a rule, as a standard which should be perpetuated.
A standard of a country is a standard of a country, that's plain, and you can't pretend, like you do, that what has never been accepted in a country MUST be accepted because you consider it to be right. What we know to be right in the Western world took us centuries to realize, and pretending to impose it is doing wrong both to the countries and to what is right, and that's where you create a double standard while apparently striving from the contrary: by ignoring that right and worng are not just a claim but a process, you are perpetuating the differences and the wrong.

You are using a double standard of morally rightist words and totally flawed and wrong understanding of the situation, because your are too self-satisfied in your words to care about their real sense; you expect that by uttering the (to you) correct words you are being right, while your deeds prove you actual wrong. Like the religious hypocrites who would fill their mouths with the words of "right" and "love" but would understand nothing in their meanings and attack those whose discourse stands in conflict with their flawed logic.

So that you are opposing the expression "double standard" but you are in fact siding with it

I shouldn't send more power to your Pharisaic view of law and right, though: your conformist complacent self belongs to Madrid rather than to London

 

[NameTaken]

Belamy, I'm somewhat surprised by your ignorance. Just because you don't actively promote a double standard doesn't mean it does not exist. Or are you unaware of things such as hidden prejudices (e.g. racist views that even you don't realize you have)? Funny you should mention pretending to be fair, when you just admitted in a post in this very thread that you are the one using a double standard. You obviously don't follow your own advice and accurately analyze facts, as you feel that taking action to prevent getting sued and possibly losing your job is in the same league as arresting an animal for using magic. I'm really doing you a favor, belamy, teaching you to be less hypocritical.

And belamy, you talk about self-satisfaction with ones words. I haven't laughed this hard in ages. Thanks.

 

[belamy]

belamy, I'm somewhat surprised by your ignorance. Just because you don't actively promote a double standard doesn't mean it does not exist. Or are you unaware of things such as hidden prejudices (e.g. racist views that even you don't realize you have)? Funny you should mention pretending to be fair, when you just admitted in a post in this very thread that you are the one using a double standard. You obviously don't follow your own advice and accurately analyze facts, as you feel that taking action to prevent getting sued and possibly losing your job is in the same league as arresting an animal for using magic. I'm really doing you a favor, belamy, teaching you to be less hypocritical.

You still won't see that noticing differences and working to solve them is different (in fact, the exact opposite) from accepting them and setting them as a double standard. But that attitude of yours doesn't really surprise me given your complacency and your frivolous consideration of situations that may be wrong outside the legal and accepted practice to which you so fervently claim to adhere.

You know, putting more smilies and calling me "ignorant" and"hypocritical", condescendingly trying to "do me a favour" or "teach me" won't make you any less of a fool if you care to read, think and understand what we are discussing without trying to look own on each other

 

[NameTaken]

You know, putting more smilies and calling me "ignorant" and"hypocritical" won't make it any less of a fool of yourself if you care to think and understand what we are discussing

No, but as you can see (from the quote below), after this post you just made, calling you hypocritical does fit the bill (as you seem to think that putting smileys and humorous jabs at the other poster is so wrong, just suddenly when it benefits you to think so).

I shouldn't send more power to your Pharisaic view of law and right, though: your conformist complacent self belongs to Madrid rather than to London [/FONT][/SIZE]

Also:

You still won't see that noticing differences and working to solve them is different from accepting them and setting them as a double standard. But that doesn't really surprise me given you complacency and frivolous consideration of situations that may be wrong outside the legal and accepted practice.

What a straw man argument, rofl! Nobody ever said anything about working to solve differences in this thread. And remember, as has been said many times, YOU are the one who admitted to having a double standard, not I. Again, with your hypocrisy too (I'm starting to see a pattern here). I find it hilarious that you condemn the jabs in the very same post that you make so many of them in.

 

[belamy]

belamy, I'm somewhat surprised by your ignorance. Just because you don't actively promote a double standard doesn't mean it does not exist. Or are you unaware of things such as hidden prejudices (e.g. racist views that even you don't realize you have)? Funny you should mention pretending to be fair, when you just admitted in a post in this very thread that you are the one using a double standard. You obviously don't follow your own advice and accurately analyze facts, as you feel that taking action to prevent getting sued and possibly losing your job is in the same league as arresting an animal for using magic. I'm really doing you a favor, belamy, teaching you to be less hypocritical.

You still won't see that noticing differences and working to solve them is different (in fact, the exact opposite) from accepting them and setting them as a double standard. You seem to mistake the suuposed fact that I promote double standards for the actual ability of facing a difference that, if remarked and simply accepted as your conformist mind seems to do, will actually promote those double standards .
To you merely noticing that there are two sides means accepting there are two sides, so your mental trick consists in negating the possibility of there being any problem: that's what I realized that Chinese people in China would say when inquired about the "problem" in Tibet: there was no "problem" in Tibet, there was only a problem when Western people would say there is a problem.
Anyway, that attitude of yours doesn't really surprise me given your complacency and your frivolous consideration of situations that may be wrong outside the legal and accepted practice to which you so fervently claim to adhere.

You know, putting more smilies and calling me "ignorant" and"hypocritical", condescendingly trying to "do me a favour" or "teach me" won't make you any less of a fool if you care to read, think and understand what we are discussing without trying to look own on each other

 

[NameTaken]

Well, it looks like you're out of any real aerguments now. Yay, lol!

You still won't see that noticing differences and working to solve them is different (in fact, the exact opposite) from accepting them and setting them as a double standard. You seem to mistake the fact that I promote double standards for the ability of facing a difference that, if remarked and simply accepted as your conformist mind seems to do, will actually promoe those double standards .

Again with the straw man argument, lol.. Try arguing without your army of straw men for once, k?

To you merely accepting means accepting there is something wrong, that there is a problem, which will imply adhering and promoting that wrong because you couldn't face the challenge of working to solve it; for you, things are either right or so that your mental trick when efacing a problem is consider that there is no problem at all unless you actually try to admit there is a problem: that's what Chinese people in China would say when inquired about the problem" in Tibet: there was no "problem" in Tibet, there was only a problem when Western people would say there is a problem.
Anyway, that attitude of yours doesn't really surprise me given your complacency and your frivolous consideration of situations that may be wrong outside the legal and accepted practice to which you so fervently claim to adhere.

You know, putting more smilies and calling me "ignorant" and"hypocritical", condescendingly trying to "do me a favour" or "teach me" won't make you any less of a fool if you care to read, think and understand what we are discussing without trying to look own on each other

Lol, did you just copy and paste parts from your last posts? My god. I had thought you'd be a better sparring partner, able to come up with real arguments, without straw men (look up a straw man argument if you don't know what it is), and continue to be able to come up with them. Now you're just reposting arguments htat have alredy been refuted and CONTINUING to show how hypocritical you are.

You know, putting more smilies and calling me "ignorant" and"hypocritical" won't make it any less of a fool of yourself if you care to think and understand what we are discussing

I kinda feel bad for you, being much older, but less wise. :3

Some advice if you want to continue posting: Drop the straw men arguments and try to actually argue the points that this is about:

1. Not being able to accurately compare thigns happening in two different places if both places have different standards (which YOU said these countries do).

2. You admitting to having a double standard, but conveniently forgetting about that fact now.

 

[belamy]

(...)



What a straw man argument, rofl! Nobody ever said anything about working to solve differences in this thread.

Only me, and that's the problem in this seemingly dialogue of the deaf: like I remarked, your problem is forcing a situation that should be consider dynamically into your static black-and-white frame of mind of "everything-is-ok/I-don't-care-about-the-rest".
For you everything is right, however it is, and by pretending that we are all equal you neglect the actual strive for equality.

Well, it looks like you're out of any real arguments now. Yay, lol!

See? If you neglect any effort to consider any arguments given and pretend there are no arguments then, of course, there is nothing to discuss and the opponent is just pulling up straw-man-arguments; isn't life grand when you are in your early twenties and you already know everything and you only need to put a demeaning label on anything you don't want to discuss? yippie-yay!

 

[NameTaken]

Only me, and that's the problem in this seemingly dialogue of the deaf: like I remarked, your problem is forcing a situation that should be consider dynamically into your static black-and-white frame of mind of "everything-is-ok/I-don't-care-about-the-rest".

Way to pull somethign that isn't even relevant out of your ass. Now that I've presented evidence to how hypocritical you are you write something that is of no consequence with that quote. Good job, I'm sure your high school debate team is glad you never joined it. If you want to continue posting try posting something that refutes that argument I have presented, not a straw man argument, or something that is irrelevant. That's some free advice for you.

For you everything is right, however it is, and by pretending that we are all equal you neglect the actual strive for equality.

I have literally never seen a larger straw man argument than this. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are arguing. I am actually laughing so hard I'm crying.

 

[belamy]

I have literally never seen a larger straw man argument than this. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are arguing. I am actually laughing so hard I'm crying.

You're so self-satisfied that, watch out!, you may die from it

Way to pull somethign that isn't even relevant out of your ass. Now that I've presented evidence to how hypocritical you are you write something that is of no consequence with that quote. Good job, I'm sure your high school debate team is glad you never joined it. If you want to continue posting try posting something that refutes that argument I have presented, not a straw man argument, or something that is irrelevant. That's some free advice for you.

Pardon my English but your ass seems way bigger than mine: when you dimiss as "irrelevant" the arguments given by the opponent in the discussion, and when your only concern is to "present evidence" of how worthless and inferior to you is the opponent without caring to actually discuss anything, life can't be greater! yippie ki-yay

Lol, did you just copy and paste parts from your last posts? My god. I had thought you'd be a better sparring partner, able to come up with real arguments, without straw men (look up a straw man argument if you don't know what it is), and continue to be able to come up with them. Now you're just reposting arguments htat have alredy been refuted and CONTINUING to show how hypocritical you are.

No, I kept editing more than 20 minutes, so I had to repost with the final editing, because I actually care to discuss and elaborate instead of repeating that everything the older and supposedly unwise opponent says is full of straw man arguments

Again with the straw man argument, lol.. Try arguing without your army of straw men for once, k?

I kinda feel bad for you, being much older, but less wise. :3

Some advice if you want to continue posting: Drop the straw men arguments and try to actually argue the points that this is about:

1. Not being able to accurately compare thigns happening in two different places if both places have different standards (which YOU said these countries do).

2. You admitting to having a double standard, but conveniently forgetting about that fact now.

Well, at least one thing will be clear out of all this: you are young and you are wiser and full of good advice to those who can't see that the world is basically a construct of straw man arguments outside your flawless wisdom...
Pardon me if I don't give you some piece of advice too: I'm not young enough

 

[Yuki Sohma]

Give roasted goat meat a try.........you like it.........it is tasty when prepared properly.........

.........besides "you'll be doing society a favor" (line from a Bob Dylan song "Hurricane") by clearing space leaving more room in the jailhouse.........

 

[NameTaken]

You still haven't presented any new argument for the 2 actual points this is about (I repointed them out a few posts ago for you again, in case you forgot). I eagerly await an actual response to those.

 

[belamy]

1. Not being able to accurately compare thigns happening in two different places if both places have different standards (which YOU said these countries do).

2. You admitting to having a double standard, but conveniently forgetting about that fact now.

1. You keep missing totally the point: this is not about the cases, but about the dealing with the cases. According to the "USA standards", law inforcement shouldn't be driven my personal prejudices and feelings, like in the case of the Nigerian superstitious people, or the case of the stressed school teacher and the police officer trying to crack a nut with a sledgehammer... or the case of the complacent British guy.
But as it can be inferred from your flat remarks, to you "standard" is just a bunch of letters you have said and/or written before, but setting standards is not just putting labels arbitrarily, as you kept doing during the thread, is considering differing situations and how to react to them, not just putting names to them.

2. You interpret me as having said that I have a double standard because, as I remarked, you are unable to abstract pointing to something to adhering to it. It's as if I were a heterosexual defending gay rights and you kept laughing at my face saying that I'm gay. Maybe the ability to abstract and discern is something that comes with age, but it's a rather simple ability that I was AWARE of having ever since I was in my early teens...