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Nigerian police detain goat over armed robbery

belamy said:
1. You keep missing totally the point: this is not about the cases, but about the dealing with the cases. According to the "USA standards", law inforcement shouldn't be driven my personal prejudices and feelings, like in the case of the Nigerian superstitious people of the case of the complacent British guy.
But as it can be inferred from your flat remarks, to you "standard" is just a bunch of letters you have said and/or written before, but setting standards is not just putting labels arbitrarily, as you kept doing during the thread.

The reponse is simple, the way in which you presented the U.S. case is that it was the same, if not more ridiculous, than the Nigerian case. This is clearly not the case, as I have already pointed out how in today's society it could be very detrimental if a teacher chooses to try their hand at dealing with an unruly child. Thus, the U.S. reaction of calling the cops is not quite so ridiculous, as the reason it was done is to avoid an actual possible bad outcome (getting sued/losing job). This differs form the goat case in that there was no realistic bad outcome for not arresting the goat. Thus, even by your "U.S. standard" it isn't even that ridiculous.


belamy said:
2. You interpret me as having said that I have a double standard because, as I remarked, you are unable to abstract pointing to something to adhering to it. It's like I were a heterosexual defending gay rights and you kept laughing at my face saying that I'm gay. Maybe the ability to abstract and discern is something that comes with age, but it's a rather simple ability I've had ever since I was in my teens...

As I've said time and time again, no matter how you try to justify or rebrand your double standard, now that you've admited to having it (and you have, no matter how vehemently you try to present it as something else), it is what it is.
 
The reponse is simple
Everything seems to be so simple to you. No surprises here.
the way in which you presented the U.S. case is that it was the same, if not more reidiculous, than the Nigerian case.

That's right.
This is clearly not the case
Oh really?

as I have already pointed out how in today's society it could be very detrimental if a teacher chooses to try their hand at dealing with an unruly child.
That's those teachers' fault for not having a proper brain and having to rely exclusively on their hands t solve all sort of problems: in that case, there are other jobs they should be doing.

Thus, the U.S. reaction of calling the cops is not quite so ridiculous
There you are not showing yourself as a Madrilian anymore, but as a British again... a British character in a Monty Python sketch, because... (read below)

as the reason it was done is to avoid an actual possible bad outcome (getting sued/losing job).
Like I just said, that would be precisely the positive thing about it.

This differs form the goat case in that there was no realistic bad outcome for not arresting the goat.
So your "realistic" view of the American case is forgetting about the kid and putting the focus on the incompetent, selfish teacher.
Well, that's a real Wicker Man of an argument, and nothing "realistic" at all: that there are bad teachers who can loose their tempers with an elementary schooler I concede, but your weasel point is to use the anomaly in the teacher to set the standard of action with kids. So, your point is that violence of adults on kids is a fact, and an inevitable one so that, according to you, kids should behave so that their teachers don't have to restrain their violent impulses and ask the police to come over and handcuff them. Wow. I mean... WOW. If that's reality as it should be, please stop the bus because I want to get off because, apart of the disgust at the justification of violence and violence on kids, there is an unbearable reek of double standard on violence, education and decency being held there.


Thus, even by your "U.S. standard" it isn't even that ridiculous.
It is not only ridiculous, but that action makes the US system to appear more like any of those countries, in history or in the world of today, in which some supposedly decent citizen unleashes all the weight of the system against an individual who is, or whom he feels is, pissing him off.



As I've said time and time again, no matter how you try to justify or rebrand your double standard, now that you've admited to having it (and you have, no matter how vehemently you try to present it as something else), it is what it is.
As you have made me repeat over and over again, MY double standard is only in the flawed logic in YOUR head.
 
Belamy, you must WANT to be ignorant. Otherwise at your age you'd be fully aware that there are many times when words alone CAN'T calm down an unruly child. Say a child was hitting another kid and wouldn't stop and refused to stop. If left alone that would be terrible teaching, worse than getting the child to stop. In this situation somebody must be brought in to physically enforce the rules, a job for which a policeman is ideal since they have very limited chances of being sued for misconduct.

As for your double standard being only in my head refer to post number 7. :lol:
 
belamy, i want to finger you

i also partially agree with bleamy about the girl,
but it seems that a lot of African nations are kookoo
 
belamy, you must WANT to be ignorant. Otherwise at your age you'd be fully aware that there are many times when words alone CAN'T calm down an unruly child.
Of course not, silly, words are totally useless, only arguments are of any use. That's why people like you only work with either void, senseless words (but uttered with total conviction and self-satisfaction) and equally senseless violence, not because I pretend that all form of violence is senseless in itself, but because most people who justify the use of violence, like yourself, are people whose only alternative are words without any reasoning and reason supporting them.

Say a child was hitting another kid and wouldn't stop and refused to stop. If left alone that would be terrible teaching, worse than getting the child to stop. In this situation somebody must be brought in to physically enforce the rules, a job for which a policeman is ideal since they have very limited chances of being sued for misconduct.
Now who is pulling a Wicker Man to justify case with a different case.
Ok, I'll play: by "kid" you are supposed to actually mean "kid" and not "teen" or a pompous Londoner in his/her early twenties. If he is already actually hitting another kid I don't think you should expect to use words like a charm to make it stop, and I agree abou using your hands to make it (or try it, if the elementary schooler is possesed by the evil :rolleyes: ) stop. That doesn't change the fact that there was a flaw in detecting the reasons why a kid decided to start hitting a classmate.
It's easier to harness a river while it's still closer to its source, and that was my point when commenting the case of a kid whose hormones had not been touched by the wild fevers of puberty and adolescence. Otherwise, we are not talking about education anymore, and in that case you can let in all the police, the army and the mercenaries you want.
The problem with education is that it is hardly ever really education, but rather indoctrination, and since we have been told that men are born free, we shouldn't be surprised that there are kids who won't ignore abiding values that supposedly wiser adults learnt to take for granted or even always totally ignored and won't easily take normal things as necessarily right. That, of course, unless you take a more despotic view asserting that men are not born free but wild.

As for your double standard being only in my head refer to post number 7. :lol:
As for that, I invite you to reread (that supposing you actually ever read them) that same #7 and #9: that "American standard" expression that you pretend to use as proof of my incoherence is only a proof of (for the -nth time :rolleyes: ) your I suspect more unwillingness than incapability of actually reading what I said: I'm not trying to make it appear as something diferent, but you skimmed the surface of what I read and you seem so satisfied with your prejudices and your reading that you just won't get out of yourself.
In that #7 I stated quite explicitly that it's not that the USA are bound to set a standard from the very beginning but that, setting some practices that you can call a standard in the USA, when you compare them with those in other countries you can perceive a duality and, if you think, 1) that things are done in a way simply because they are done so, for no other reason but themselves being so 2) that things are done elsewhere in a different way 3) then, you must come up with the IDEA of double standard. BUT, and here you should be finally able to understand if you wanted :roll: that I notice that the Americans have one standard and, say, the Nigerian have another, doesn't mean that I believe it MUST be so, which would support your claim to my adhering to a necessary double standard.

Again, since you yourself can only things as they happen to be, as you have shown in your compliance to social usages beyond any reason and logicality, and being so content in your smugness, I shouldn't be surprised you take so much pains in reading the plain logic of what I say.
 
If he is already actually hitting another kid I don't think you should expect to use words like a charm to make it stop, and I agree abou using your hands to make it (or try it, if the elementary schooler is possesed by the evil :rolleyes: ) stop. That doesn't change the fact that there was a flaw in detecting the reasons why a kid decided to start hitting a classmate.

Once the hitting begins and doesn't stop, the reason why doesn't matter. If the situation cannot be solved with words or figuring out the reason which the hitting began (which the teacher in the case you presented surely attempted first), the reason doesn't matter. In that case it is best (as I see you have finally agreed ;) :lol:) to call in somebody to restrain him. The rest of your post of empty rhetoric matters not, for you have now shown you agree with me. Thus, this all invalidates your original post as you have agreed that if a child cannot be dealt with adequately with words the physical restraint of a policeman may be necessary. ;)

Was that so hard belamy? :)

And belamy, the double standard that you have is not the one you now present. The fact that try to present a case that (even you have now admitted could have been dealt with in the proper way) as being as ridiculous (not as ridiculous in the context of each individual nations standards as you now try to appear, but it's ridiculousness by international standards) as a goat being arrested for black magic is example enough of your true double standard.
 
belamy, i want to finger you
I beg your pardon? :mrgreen: :rolleyes:

i also partially agree with bleamy about the girl,
but it seems that a lot of African nations are kookoo
That's only because they are not part of a wider federal republic in which an impartial central government and other wiser states try to counterbalance that "kookooness" :cool:
 
Once the hitting begins and doesn't stop, the reason why doesn't matter. If the situation cannot be solved with words or figuring out the reason which the hitting began (which the teacher in the case you presented surely attempted first), the reason doesn't matter. In that case it is best (as I see you have finally agreed ;) :lol:) to call in somebody to restrain him. The rest of your post of empty rhetoric matters not, for you have now shown you agree with me. Thus, this all invalidates your original post as you have agreed that if a child cannot be dealt with adequately with words the physical restraint of a policeman may be necessary. ;)

Was that so hard belamy? :)
It was as hard as forcing you to do what you had accused me of having been doing, namely, pulling up something which was more a giant Wicker Man relatively to the case we were discussing, but a rather reasonable case in itself and outside of the relevant case :mrgreen: :rolleyes:
 
It was as hard as forcing you to do what you had accused me of having been doing, namely, pulling up something which was more a giant Wicker Man relatively to the case we were discussing, but a rather reasonable case in itself and outside of the relevant case :mrgreen: :rolleyes:

Yeah, because presenting an actual example that even you responded to and agreed with is the same thing. :lol:
 
Yeah, because presenting an actual example that even you responded to and agreed with is the same thing. :lol:
A word of warning: whenever you want to hold a reasonable discussion with NameTaken you must remember that his logical perception is like the color perception of a color-blind being :mrgreen: :lol:
 
What about that kid that commited suicide when he was put in 'detention room' in school because he was out of control?

I read that on CNN

Anyone want goat fricassee?
 
A word of warning: whenever you want to hold a reasonable discussion with NameTaken you must remember that his logical perception is like the color perception of a color-blind being :mrgreen: :lol:

I'd rather be color blind in the analogy than completely blind, such as you. ;)
 
I'd rather be color blind in the analogy than completely blind, such as you. ;)
That's a logical possibility which remains to be developed and proved: and given your flawed logical powers (something you have admitted yourself) that statement has rather poor value :mrgreen:
 
That's a logical possibility which remains to be developed and proved: and given your flawed logical powers (as you have admitted yourself) your statement has a rather poor value :mrgreen:

Directions to the land of logic coming from you, who's been metaphorically blind from birth, aren't to be trusted. :lol:
 
Directions to the land of logic coming from a man who's been blind from birth aren't much use here. :lol:
Cf. #36 I'm wearing dark glasses for coolness' sake and to preserve my good sight, not to mask my blindness like others do :mrgreen: :cool:
 
Cf #37. 8)

I'm wearing glasses to preserve my eyes from some of the glaring stupidity that an unnamed (:lol:) member other than I posted in this thread.
 
You are pathetically out of arguments, however sham they be: poor you (*8*) :lol:

Try actually presenting something to argue (none of which your last 3 posts did) and it shall be argued. :lol: I'm saddened to see that yopu, however, are fresh out of them. I really thought you'd be able to hold out longer, seeing as you have lived so much longer than I. What a dissapointment. :( Well, maybe you can come back in a few years and try again. :lol:

belamy said:
And to cap it all you're schizoid. (*8*) (*8*)

And if I'm schizoid, it's unlucky for you that all of my personas agree and are better at presenting their points than you. :lol:
 
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