No shit, Sherlock! [US Gun Deaths Leading Killer of Children in 2020]

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

There was no racism, get over yourself. Marching, placards and so forth is protesting. Setting fire to properly and looting shops is rioting. That applies to the BLM movement as much as any other. My point was that the response to the killing of one man by the police was disproportionate to the killing of those 4,300 children. It's as if nobody really cared about them.

You don't even care about them. You're literally using dead bodies as a launching pad for another one of your lame passive aggressive racist tirades that has fuck-all to do with the topic by any conceivable stretch of the imagination. A more apt comparison for apathy would've been lynch picnic photos of white people grinning like the chesire cat next to a lifeless hanging body that probably was castrated. But no, in your narrative black people are always the villain and it's tired and I'm not the only person who's sick of it.

 

[Alistair]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

The two events you're comparing happened ten years apart, and there is virtually no political or social connection.

No civil victory was ever achieved with just marching and placards. Marching and placards are a finger wag at best. When the entity you're protesting against begins to inflict the same behavior you're protesting against you, what do you do? Use a bigger placard? March even louder? Lawmakers snicker at protesters. They always have. When you protest and protest and protest and are met with silence and indifference, what do you do? Give up? No, you get mad and move to the next level: violence. What else is left to do for protestors who are more often than not powerless and disenfranchised?

How do you think the Stonewall would have turned out if the police were met with placards?

This….

…But no, in your narrative black people are always the villain and it's tired and I'm not the only person who's sick of it.…

And definitely this

 

[Charon]

There's nothing wrong with being viewed as a villain. I'd rather be that than a hero.

 

[unloadonme]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

The two events you're comparing happened ten years apart ...

No. I was contrasting the murder of George Floyd in May 2020 with the gun death statistics in the OP which are for the year 2020 as a whole.

No civil victory was ever achieved with just marching and placards. Marching and placards are a finger wag at best. When the entity you're protesting against begins to inflict the same behavior you're protesting against you, what do you do? Use a bigger placard? March even louder? Lawmakers snicker at protesters. They always have. When you protest and protest and protest and are met with silence and indifference, what do you do? Give up?

I'm sorry, but in my view arson and looting are never justified.

No, you get mad and move to the next level: violence. What else is left to do for protestors who are more often than not powerless and disenfranchised?

They could invade the Capitol Building maybe. That went down really well!

(I'm not advocating that btw, before anyone gets on their moral high horse.)

 

[Peloso]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

No. I was contrasting the murder of George Floyd in May 2020 with the gun death statistics in the OP which are for the year 2020 as a whole.

Fair enough. But when confronted with George Floyd, keep on mind that racists are quick to point out the violence and looting right away. Of all the misbehavior demonstrated by those involved (Chauvin, Floyd himself, protestors, cops, politicians) it's always "bUt ThE LoOtInG!!!"

I'm sorry, but in my view arson and looting are never justified.

Not for those who are treated properly by the state.

They could invade the Capitol Building maybe.

If the insurrectionists had been anything other than white, they never would have made it off the bus that took them there.

 

[KaraBulut]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

...Setting fire to properly and looting shops is rioting. That applies to the BLM movement as much as any other...

And this is where Fox and the Trump White House succeeded- in conflating the daytime BLM protests with the riots and looting that happened after the organized protests. These were two different events.

What seldom made it into the media was videos of the protesters trying to stop the looters.

Video shows BLM protesters blocking looters from entering Nike Store [KXLY]

George Floyd protesters TURN on the looters: Santa Monica demonstrators stop store from getting ransacked, human chain is formed outside a NYC Target and DC crowd tackles rioter and hands him to police [Daily Mail]

It's one of the problems with these protests- there's a group of anarchists and extremists who show up and take advantage of the distraction... whether it's a BLM protest or the Jan 6th protests. And the media reinforces the bias, conflating "protest" (which is legal) with "riot" (which is not legal).

...My point was that the response to the killing of one man by the police was disproportionate to the killing of those 4,300 children. It's as if nobody really cared about them.

Again, "killing".

The assumption is that all of the deaths were murders when it's likely that a significant percentage were suicide.

It's also not reasonable to say that "nobody really cared". There's a lot of people who really care but unfortunately, the 70% of the population who care and want something done are being drowned out by the extremists who want more guns and less regulation and are more worried about teachers "grooming" their children instead of worrying about risks that exist for children who are depressed, anxious, have self-image issues, are being bullied or who are struggling with their sexual orientation.

You're also talking about a fundamental weakness of humankind: we're not really good at understanding comparative risk. It's what enables us to get in an automobile without anxiety vs having anxiety over flying in an airplane; or make us fear a vaccine compared to fearing getting the disease the vaccine presents; or taking a "herbal" medication because we think it's safer than the one a doctor prescribes; or....

 

[unloadonme]

Re: No shit, Sherlock!

Thanks for your considered contribution KaraBulut.

The assumption is that all of the deaths were murders when it's likely that a significant percentage were suicide.

I hadn't actually assumed that all deaths were murders. I've seen reports of kids finding their parents' guns and accidentally killing themselves or someone else, but suicide, as you say, is unfortunately likely to have a significant impact.

It's also not reasonable to say that "nobody really cared". There's a lot of people who really care but unfortunately, the 70% of the population who care and want something done are being drowned out by the extremists who want more guns and less regulation and are more worried about teachers "grooming" their children instead of worrying about risks that exist for children who are depressed, anxious, have self-image issues, are being bullied or who are struggling with their sexual orientation.

The "nobody really cared" comment was more comparative than absolute. In the case of the death of George Floyd, a great many people clearly cared. The story was all over the media here and it even triggered BLM protests in a number of British cities. We don't however hear anything in the UK about the 70% you mention. We're certainly aware of the general debate about gun ownership, usually after a school shooting or similar atrocity, but the statistic quoted in the OP was surprising, even if the lack of action to address it isn't.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Welp, I'm calling Time of Death on this thread. Hijacked into race-baiting at approx 5:45am.