NO to Republicans, NO to Democrats

[frstx88]

Whats up?

I believe that voting for either mayor party won't do this country much good. I mean, both have proven to enact 99% of the same failed politics and are only hung up on a few minor differences.

I'm thinking about making a tshirt (for friends and personal use) with a graph, message and/or drawing representing this.

Any ideas?

The best i've come up with is a Ship (signifying the United States), with a shark underneath (Democrats) and an Iceberg near it (GOP) that says "One screws you up front, one screws you in the back"

I'm not much of an artist, I hope you could give me any insight.

 

[JayQueer]

Whats up?

I believe that voting for either mayor party won't do this country much good. I mean, both have proven to enact 99% of the same failed politics and are only hung up on a few minor differences.

I'm thinking about making a tshirt (for friends and personal use) with a graph, message and/or drawing representing this.

Any ideas?

The best i've come up with is a Ship (signifying the United States), with a shark underneath (Democrats) and an Iceberg near it (GOP) that says "One screws you up front, one screws you in the back"

I'm not much of an artist, I hope you could give me any insight.

Well since 2012 is also the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, I have an idea.........

You should draw a ship sinking that looks similar to the SS Titanic, but call it the "SS Obama." The ship is on its way down, and people are rowing away from the SS Obama in lifeboats.

And then three warnings -- written in print.

2009-2012 : Ice warnings ignored by SS Obama
November 6, 2012: SS Obama strikes iceberg
January 20, 2013: SS Obama sinks


In full disclosure, I am a Republican.

 

[JayQueer]

^ I apologize if I offended anyone with the analogy above.

I am just so concerned about the direction of our country right now.

 

[Molitor69]

Yeah don't take any advice from the Republican. They want to blame everything on Obama and seem to be suffering from selective amnesia. Maybe you should focus in on the fact that our government has been taken hostage by big business and the many multinational corporations that pull the strings in wall street and throughout the world. I agree politicians are part of the problem, but blaming one man for the mess of many is just plane old stupid. The world isn't so cut and dry, though it's easy to think that way. Ignorance is bliss, but it's mostly temporary.

 

[nycguydowntown]

the country sank in 2008 thanks to our moron captain--we are trying to raise the Titanic ----we have history --we went thru this before--it was called the great Depression--- and it took many years for the great FDR to raise the sunk ship of state. But the country has gotten a lot dumber since then (fact) so who knows what the morons of this country will do---probably let the inmates take over the asylum again.

 

[frstx88]

Yeah don't take any advice from the Republican. They want to blame everything on Obama and seem to be suffering from selective amnesia. Maybe you should focus in on the fact that our government has been taken hostage by big business and the many multinational corporations that pull the strings in wall street and throughout the world. I agree politicians are part of the problem, but blaming one man for the mess of many is just plane old stupid. The world isn't so cut and dry, though it's easy to think that way. Ignorance is bliss, but it's mostly temporary.

Totally agree. It's so funny when Right-wingers try to make Obama look like a radical socialist that has destroyed the United States, when in reality Obama is simply a center-right well-intentioned politician that hasn't managed to keep most of his promised.

Republicans, this mess wasn't created by Obama or Bush, though both have had their share in it.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Yeah don't take any advice from the Republican. They want to blame everything on Obama and seem to be suffering from selective amnesia. Maybe you should focus in on the fact that our government has been taken hostage by big business and the many multinational corporations that pull the strings in wall street and throughout the world. I agree politicians are part of the problem, but blaming one man for the mess of many is just plane old stupid. The world isn't so cut and dry, though it's easy to think that way. Ignorance is bliss, but it's mostly temporary.

You are right. In another thread I mentioned how a distant uncle blamed Obama for not getting a $250 lump sum in Jan 2011 to his social security. Of course that was Obama's fault.
My distant uncle had no problem remembering that he got not one but 2 - $250 bonus checks under Bush as President in addition to his his regular Social Security and that many tax payers got rebates under Bush of $600 or $1,200 to help get people to buy things.
Yet we never ever will hear anything of this government hand out that occurred 2 yrs in a row. I wonder why??????????????

 

[MoltenRock III]

Ah, joy! Just another person whining about the government he/she has voted for.

Snore!

The US has the very government it deserves, given the democracy vote of it's people.

 

[frstx88]

You are right. In another thread I mentioned how a distant uncle blamed Obama for not getting a $250 lump sum in Jan 2011 to his social security. Of course that was Obama's fault.
My distant uncle had no problem remembering that he got not one but 2 - $250 bonus checks under Bush as President in addition to his his regular Social Security and that many tax payers got rebates under Bush of $600 or $1,200 to help get people to buy things.
Yet we never ever will hear anything of this government hand out that occurred 2 yrs in a row. I wonder why??????????????

And let's not even talk about the handouts and tax cuts to Big Oil, Pharmaceutical companies and for-profit healthcare.

I wonder how many gay couples with intention of marrying where denied the benefits they deserved.

 

[JayQueer]

And let's not even talk about the handouts and tax cuts to Big Oil, Pharmaceutical companies and for-profit healthcare.

I wonder how many gay couples with intention of marrying where denied the benefits they deserved.

So you're really a liberal Democrat. Thanks for clarifying.

In your OP (& the title of this thread), you made it sound like you were some kind of non-partisan person who wanted to criticize the faults of BOTH Republicans AND Democrats.

But the truth finally came out.

 

[Dolmance]

So you're really a liberal Democrat. Thanks for clarifying.

In your OP (& the title of this thread), you made it sound like you were some kind of non-partisan person who wanted to criticize the faults of BOTH Republicans AND Democrats.

But the truth finally came out.

Do you even begin to understand why there are inevitably going to be more criticisms of Republicans and Republican policies than Democrat at the moment? Personally, I have little time for either parties, viewing them from the outside, but it's like examining the difference between a piece of spit on the sidewalk and a bubbling pit of concentrated Ebola; one is generally disgusting, the other is corrosive and infectious. Almost every attempt made by Obama and the Democrats to alleviate the financial crisis (too few and too little, IMO) has been blocked, vetoed and fillibustered by the Republicans, simply because they'd rather see the whole ship go down while one of their tribal enemies is at the helm, no matter how many souls it takes down with it. Factor into that the pervasive worship of ignorance and stupidity, the enshrined bigotry and so on and so forth. What you have is something is something almost Lovecraftian; as though some cabal who happened to be on the Titanic called up Great Cthulhu to drag the thing down and devour the souls of those on board.

 

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[frstx88]

So you're really a liberal Democrat. Thanks for clarifying.

In your OP (& the title of this thread), you made it sound like you were some kind of non-partisan person who wanted to criticize the faults of BOTH Republicans AND Democrats.

But the truth finally came out.

I AM NOT A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

Why do people always feel the need to attach labels to everything? I mean, c'mon! Liberal?! Is that even an appropriate label? Read up classical liberalism, and tell me which party (at least on paper) appears to support it the most.

How can I be a Democrat...
when they have declared more wars than Republicans?
when they only talk about reproductive freedom and sexual freedom when its convenient?
When they have launched more imperialistic crusades than Republicans?
When, save rare exceptions, they still treat Universal single-payer healthcare as some sort of wild, socialist fantasy?
When Obama hasn't had enough balls to end the unjust War on Drugs?
I wonder how many Democrats and their new affection to adopt the misguided thinking behind taxcuts will agree to return to the less unjust tax levels of the Reagen era.

I don't like labels, but if I had to just one, I'll go with Progressive. And, as of today, no candidate in any major party represents me or 99% of Americans that are one paycheck away from starving.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I AM NOT A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

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I don't like labels, but if I had to just one, I'll go with Progressive. And, as of today, no candidate in any major party represents me or 99% of Americans that are one paycheck away from starving.

^ This!

My Grandpa, who was an FDR Democrat, always told me the following:

Republicans Tax the Middle Class to take care of the Rich.

Democrats Tax the Middle Class to take care of the Poor.

No one takes care of the Middle Class.

And we've been on the same road for decades now.

It's time for a change.

If I had to choose a label, it would be American.

Since most of us do all of the heavy lifting, and dying for our country both parties need to stop "talking" about and "telling us" what it means to be an American, and it's high time we start TELLING and SHOWING them what Americans are really made of and start demanding that they REPRESENT US instead of the monied interests.

We have the best Government that money can buy.

 

[frstx88]

^ This!

My Grandpa, who was an FDR Democrat, always told me the following:

Republicans Tax the Middle Class to take care of the Rich.

Democrats Tax the Middle Class to take care of the Poor.

No one takes care of the Middle Class.

And we've been on the same road for decades now.

It's time for a change.

If I had to choose a label, it would be American.

Since most of us do all of the heavy lifting, and dying for our country both parties need to stop "talking" about and "telling us" what it means to be an American, and it's high time we start TELLING and SHOWING them what Americans are really made of and start demanding that they REPRESENT US instead of the monied interests.

Are you assuming the United States of America is a middle-class nation?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Are you assuming the United States of America is a middle-class nation?

Nope.

For starters I never ass.u.me anything.

The American Middle Class has been under attack for the better part of the past 30 years, and that neither party seems to be doing anything about it.

The Republicans have done more through "Reaganomics" to dismantle the American Middle Class more so than the Democrats, but they've constantly rolled over to the point where the party is mostly just a name now.

 

[Kulindahr]

Shirt design, for election time:

VOTE
[STRIKE]DEMOCRAT[/STRIKE]
[STRIKE]REPUBLICAN[/STRIKE]
OTHER​

 

[TheFireGod]

I don't either, hate the two party only system.

Why do people always feel the need to attach labels to everything? I mean, c'mon! Liberal?! Is that even an appropriate label? Read up classical liberalism, and tell me which party (at least on paper) appears to support it the most.

I was raised in Australia, so the Liberal Party there is not a centre-left party by any means. Though it's not classical liberal by any means either.

I cringe every time the word Liberal is used to mean centre-left of another major party. I use Progressive for what people in the US usually call Liberal, especially if used in topics of economics.

Shirt design, for election time:

VOTE
[STRIKE]DEMOCRAT[/STRIKE]
[STRIKE]REPUBLICAN[/STRIKE]
OTHER​

Design and produce this, and I'll buy it.


During the last elections I was actually thinking of printing a sign for my rear window (attached by tape from the inside) that said something similar to that.

 

[Stardreamer]

Personally I've had a 'Pox on both your houses' attitude toward them for a little while now. The two main parties are too big and too corrupt and too PARTISAN to be effective anymore. I would love to see more choice and nuance in the elections by disbanding the major parties and making everybody run under third party labels so we could get a better idea of where they really stand. There should really be no less than four major parties representing the polar ends of the political spectrum: socialism, capitalism, totalitarianism and libertarianism.

 

[Stardreamer]

Shirt design, for election time:

VOTE
[STRIKE]DEMOCRAT[/STRIKE]
[STRIKE]REPUBLICAN[/STRIKE]
OTHER​

I like it straight forward and to the point, something you could build a movement behind.