North Korea Executes Uncle to Kim Jong-Un

[R.B.S.]

It's immoral to look on it as on a theater. People live there. They are people, not animals. Other countries should think how to help them.
They should unite with Southern Corea someday, but step by step. I don't understand you guys really, this theme is tragic, not funny.

It's immoral to live in a free country at laugh at North Corea. Think not about these dictators, but about the people. They have the same blood as we.

 

[Alnitak]

I'm more interested, what to do with North Corean people. How to help them to open their mind to the world? It will be traumatic to them. Their own elite like to watch Holywood movies, but the people are isolated from the world. How we can help them? It's a tragedy.

North Koreans do actually have some access to Western films via smuggled goods from China. We can help by airdropping some video tapes and DVDs we no longer use.

 

[R.B.S.]

It's good. I think that now some of them understand the difference between them and South Corea and know that on the South people live better. I hope that after the fight for his power North Corean leader do something more pragmatical.

I don't think that his a fanatic, his just a typical politician, who want to stay in power. In democratic countries politicians are the same, but they are controlled by they society. In China politicians are not controlled by the society, but they are no afraid to lose their power.
In North Corea they are afraid and not only of South Corea, but of China. China now support them, but maybe someday China decide to make some kind of intervention.

 

[Alnitak]

I don't think the Kim government is typical at all. Most democratic governments now have at least some morals and a sense of decent manners. North Koreans have zero; at least their leaders don't.

 

[Telstra]

I need proof.
Don't believe what ever the North Korea gives out. What is the purpose of letting the world know this news anyway ?

 

[Telstra]

North Koreans do actually have some access to Western films via smuggled goods from China. We can help by airdropping some video tapes and DVDs we no longer use.

How do you know they have video/dvd players?
Colorful magazines are much better.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't think the Kim government is typical at all. Most democratic governments now have at least some morals and a sense of decent manners. North Koreans have zero; at least their leaders don't.

In a Byzantine type of government, morals are a luxury one can't afford -- they give the appearance of weakness.

 

[palbert]

We don't expect this to happen in the 21st Century.

Beheading political opponents should be a thing of the past. The Kims will go down as sociopaths like Henry VIII and Caligula before them.

The expectation is he was machine-gunned. The talk of "blows to his head" is thought to be figurative. Our information is at best shallow.

 

[Alnitak]

How do you know they have video/dvd players?
Colorful magazines are much better.

Defectors are the source of most of our knowledge of life in North Korea.

 

[Benvolio]

I think the Kims most closely resemble Stalin who executed many loyal followers. Significantly, we now know that, at his death, he was thoroughly hated by his closest associates. The execution of his Uncle cannot sit well with the old guard.

 

[R.B.S.]

Alnitak

No, I think that all politicians are thugs. If such person as Nixon or Bush will rule in North Corea, they immediately become more tyrranical. It's the society and independent media and independent court that stop them.

In China they made reforms, because they were sure that no one will take the power from them.

But in North Corea they are afraid to lose it, if they open the country more.

And no politician will do anything if he is afraid to lose his power. Because power is the only thing that politicians care.

And I believe that if you take Nixon and put him in North Corea after 2 years he will be dead or become the typical Kim.

 

[Alnitak]

Alnitak

No, I think that all politicians are thugs. If such person as Nixon or Bush will rule in North Corea, they immediately become more tyrranical. It's the society and independent media and independent court that stop them.

In China they made reforms, because they were sure that no one will take the power from them.

But in North Corea they are afraid to lose it, if they open the country more.

And no politician will do anything if he is afraid to lose his power. Because power is the only thing that politicians care.

And I believe that if you take Nixon and put him in North Corea after 2 years he will be dead or become the typical Kim.

True if you grow up with no morals you won't spontaneously exercise them, but having grown up in a liberal democracy I think not even Bush would be that savage. Most of the things wrong with his administration were actually done by other people, sociopaths even, such as Cheney and Rumsfeld. While Putin, having been steeped in the corrupt morals of the old regime, really has no basis of comparison. There is no way he even second guesses himself. Putin does not and can't see that holding a grip on power and bullying people is wrong.

 

[rareboy]

It's immoral to look on it as on a theater. People live there. They are people, not animals. Other countries should think how to help them.
They should unite with Southern Corea someday, but step by step. I don't understand you guys really, this theme is tragic, not funny.

It's immoral to live in a free country at laugh at North Corea. Think not about these dictators, but about the people. They have the same blood as we.

Nonsense. I can only hope that the ruling cabal of North Korea behead one another with abandon. It must be perfectly clear by now that you can't impose freedom. It didn't work in your empire and it hasn't worked since. The people of Korea must come to this realization themselves.

Until then, the Kim family can disembowel themselves. It will only make their eventual end all the more entertaining.

Until that happens

 

[T-Rexx]

True if you grow up with no morals you won't spontaneously exercise them, but having grown up in a liberal democracy I think not even Bush would be that savage.

I disagree.

GWB was capable of extreme savagery, because he believed (IMHO) that he was acting on behalf of God. He is an intensely religious person, who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything he advocated for America was the will of God, manifested through the person of GWB. George W. Bush is the right hand of Jesus, selected from so many billions because of the perfection of his Christian faith.

God made GWB president, because He needed Bush to smite evil with His fearful hand. God said it was okay to start unprovoked wars and lie about them. God said it was okay to torture bad people, so long as they were Muslim. God wanted America to do something (finally!) about the abomination that is homosexuality.

When God is whispering in your ear, moral understanding has no relevance. If God tells you to torture, you torture. If God tells you to kill, you kill. If God tells you he wants certain minorities to suffer, you make them suffer. Moral training matters not, when God Himself is advising tyranny.

It is stupefying arrogance. But that is who is George W. Bush.

Most of the things wrong with his administration were actually done by other people, sociopaths even, such as Cheney and Rumsfeld.

It is true that the GWB administration was full of sociopaths. But that was largely the fault of GWB. Bush could have put a stop to that, but he chose not to. Because he agreed with their sociopathy.

While Putin, having been steeped in the corrupt morals of the old regime, really has no basis of comparison. There is no way he even second guesses himself. Putin does not and can't see that holding a grip on power and bullying people is wrong.

I agree that Putin does not see bullying people and wielding dictatorial power as wrong. And I agree that it is because he lacks a moral compass (which he probably regards as one of his best features). But I think that Putin is a sometimes student of GWB. I think that Putin respects the way GWB managed to circumvent Constitutional law by creating his own, extrajudicial prisons. I think that Putin respects the way GWB manipulated propaganda to start a major war in Iraq. I think that Putin respects the way GWB leveraged hatred in American society to advance his own power. I think that Putin's "gay propaganda" laws are copied word-for-word from GWB's anti-gay playbook.

I think that's why GWB was so satisfied when he looked into Putin's soul. He saw himself.

 

[R.B.S.]

GWB was capable of extreme savagery, because he believed (IMHO) that he was acting on behalf of God. He is an intensely religious person, who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that every

I agree. He is an arrogant person, who believes that he is acting on behalf of God.

His father is much better. The only problem with the father, that he started a dialogue with Gorby, but in 1991 decided to support Yeltsin. And I bless Gorby for he end the Cold War. But the father Bush should have done more to support Gorby in the cruical 1991.

I want to remind you the role of Gorby in the ending of the Cold War. He is a great man. But the world should have done more to him.


And what's the other problem with the USA, that sometimes they are very belligerent to impose the liberal model. Liberalism works good in the USA, but in Latin America and other places it sometimes works not so well.

Was it moral to support Pinochet? His ecomomics was liberal and his politics was pro-American. But he was a dictator.

Was it moral to support Batista. The result of Batista was Castro and communism in Cuba. Commmunism is bad, but Batista was not better.

 

[Benvolio]

In the Cold War we opposed Allende because he was communist and pro Soviet. If he came to power democratically, he would have quickly taken power, as for instance in Venezuela. Democracies do not last long in Latin America.
The US supported Castro until he announced that he was communist and proSoviet. Then have became our enemy and a threat.

 

[R.B.S.]

Allende came to power during the elections. It's a democratical way.

Tennessee Williams in his memoirs says that it's the USA fault that Castro came in power. Tennesee Williams wasn't a Soviet agent, he was a great American author.

 

[CowboyBob]

I disagree.

GWB was capable of extreme savagery, because he believed (IMHO) that he was acting on behalf of God. He is an intensely religious person, who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything he advocated for America was the will of God, manifested through the person of GWB. George W. Bush is the right hand of Jesus, selected from so many billions because of the perfection of his Christian faith.

God made GWB president, because He needed Bush to smite evil with His fearful hand. God said it was okay to start unprovoked wars and lie about them. God said it was okay to torture bad people, so long as they were Muslim. God wanted America to do something (finally!) about the abomination that is homosexuality.

When God is whispering in your ear, moral understanding has no relevance. If God tells you to torture, you torture. If God tells you to kill, you kill. If God tells you he wants certain minorities to suffer, you make them suffer. Moral training matters not, when God Himself is advising tyranny.

It is stupefying arrogance. But that is who is George W. Bush.

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What you are describing when someone hears voices inside their head is schizophrenia and other psychotic illnesses. Believing the voices are your god instructing you what to do, including committing crimes, is frightening.

Too many political and religious leaders suffer from this condition.

Regarding the Krazy Kim Klan, I hope we live to see the day this murderous family is toppled.

 

[R.B.S.]

The USA politicians are the biggerst bullies outside their countries. Putin is only the small bully.

The only difference is that Putin has opportunity to bully Russians. And American politicans don't have such opportunity, because you have indpendent media and court.

But to other countries both Russia and America act themsleves as bullies. The only difference that the USA is democratic inside. But outside, in Latin America or Middle East it acts like a bully.

 

[R.B.S.]

rareboy

Do you believe that if Kims kill each other there will be democracy for the people? Their will be anarchy.

And anarchy leads to the new tyrrany.

The only way for a post-communist country in Asia is the way of China.

Strong and autocratic party makes capitalism and other reforms. But only the strong power. As in China.