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Notre Dame to Reopen December 2024

All of the above, of course. Very much.
But aren't we forgeting someone here, the client?
What does God think? His book makes it clear enough that he is not impressed by ostentation.
He is no Donald Trump, he does not need a towering erection to impress anyone with, I believe he would be just as happy with a wooden shed and a Casio organ.
Beautiful architecture is a wonderful thing but.... I can't remember what I was going to say, someone please finish off for me.
 
Dargelos said:
All of the above, of course. Very much.
But aren't we forgeting someone here, the client?
What does God think? His book makes it clear enough that he is not impressed by ostentation.
He is no Donald Trump, he does not need a towering erection to impress anyone with, I believe he would be just as happy with a wooden shed and a Casio organ.
Beautiful architecture is a wonderful thing but.... I can't remember what I was going to say, someone please finish off for me.
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o_O

I 100% agreed to your post until you said that Casio organ thing :lol:
Please no. I like to think God deserves a good organ, or none at all
 
Dargelos said:
All of the above, of course. Very much.
But aren't we forgeting someone here, the client?
What does God think? His book makes it clear enough that he is not impressed by ostentation.
He is no Donald Trump, he does not need a towering erection to impress anyone with, I believe he would be just as happy with a wooden shed and a Casio organ.
Beautiful architecture is a wonderful thing but.... I can't remember what I was going to say, someone please finish off for me.
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The grandeur of a cathedral speaks not to God - it is a declaration of faith aimed at all of us.
Religion is the story we tell ourselves as an elevation lifting us higher than our animal/biological origins.

This faith is displayed in the remarkable progress made to Notre Dame in such a short time.

 
It's probably the same reason the Boston basketball team's name is pronounced with a soft "S" sound instead of the proper "K" sound :rotflmao:
 
I once repeated what a famous architect and historian observed...there is nothing as terrifying as a burning ship or church.

Whether you beleive in God or the 'Church' or not, these cathedrals represent an apex of pre-industrial endeavour. They were in fact, the driver for the entire medieval era economy that resulted in artisan guilds and the salvation of even older arts and crafts. They were the spaces that gave us antiphonal vocal and instrumental music and that made light come to life.

My spirit is revived a tiny little bit this week to know that France met the challenge, that there are likely now hundreds more craftspeople who have enjoyed a rare opportunity to demonstrate their art.

In a way, it was a good thing that all these cathedrals in France became the responsibility of the state, because at the end of the day, these structures transcend merely the religious meaning which has become more debased and eroded since WWII and have become civic monuments as well.
 
The stories we tell ourselves form a religion, and we all remember that not so long ago even animated stories could lift our spirits to the Heavens!

 
Religion or no, there is nothing so mean as a modern secularized church sanctuary/gym/multipurpose room.

There is no cross on the building. There is no raised ceiling. There is no sense of grandeur or meditation or contemplation or anything other than a generic stage and a presenter or a band. Amway or Mary Kay wouldn't pitch in such a base venue.

I remember visiting my local LDS church with the missionaries and was taken aback by how sterile and uninspired it felt. There was an austerity that was very prarie about it.

Since then, numerous non-denominationals have adopted the artless approach to their buildings. It speaks to a lack of vision, a cheapness, and a settling to the lowest common denominator.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
Religion or no, there is nothing so mean as a modern secularized church sanctuary/gym/multipurpose room.

There is no cross on the building. There is no raised ceiling. There is no sense of grandeur or meditation or contemplation or anything other than a generic stage and a presenter or a band. Amway or Mary Kay wouldn't pitch in such a base venue.

I remember visiting my local LDS church with the missionaries and was taken aback by how sterile and uninspired it felt. There was an austerity that was very prarie about it.

Since then, numerous non-denominationals have adopted the artless approach to their buildings. It speaks to a lack of vision, a cheapness, and a settling to the lowest common denominator.
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Amen to that!

Many Southern Baptist building extensions in my area of Virginia in the 1960's ended up being condemned for state code violations. People would comment on seeing the walls move everytime a heavy truck drove by the new congregational hall annex at Mount Pleasant Baptist church (the recreational room was worse).

At my family church in Logan Park, some of the doors wouldn't close because the ground beneath the building was subsiding. Our pastor used to say, "church is not a building, we can hold services in the parking lot under God's open sky". That's what we called faith on a budget!
 
NotHardUp1 said:
Religion or no, there is nothing so mean as a modern secularized church sanctuary/gym/multipurpose room.

There is no cross on the building. There is no raised ceiling. There is no sense of grandeur or meditation or contemplation or anything other than a generic stage and a presenter or a band. Amway or Mary Kay wouldn't pitch in such a base venue.

I remember visiting my local LDS church with the missionaries and was taken aback by how sterile and uninspired it felt. There was an austerity that was very prarie about it.

Since then, numerous non-denominationals have adopted the artless approach to their buildings. It speaks to a lack of vision, a cheapness, and a settling to the lowest common denominator.
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I have recently started paying attention to the construction of church buildings. One thing I have noticed in Florida, is that many church sanctuaries built in the 1950s and 1960s have giant wooden beams crossing the ceilings and running from wall to wall, suggesting the hulls of ships, perhaps natural considering that the state is surrounded by water.

I think what made me think about how sanctuaries are constructed is that I noticed that Unitarian Universalist churches tend to have large plate glass windows overlooking beautiful gardens or woods, suggesting a human continuity with nature. This is in contrast to most conventional churches, which are typically built with large walls and stained glass or otherwise opaque windows, which shut the outside world out. It's as if the churches take the lyrics of the old Christian hymn "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" quite literally, where the church is a stronghold, caught up in a battle against the evil in the world surrounding it. I don't think most people realize the extent to which theology dictates church construction and architecture.
 
My appreciation for our family church at Logan Park grew as a result of visiting rural churches across Virginia, so many were almost tomb-like in the main sanctuaries.
 
Araucaria said:
I have recently started paying attention to the construction of church buildings. One thing I have noticed in Florida, is that many church sanctuaries built in the 1950s and 1960s have giant wooden beams crossing the ceilings and running from wall to wall, suggesting the hulls of ships, perhaps natural considering that the state is surrounded by water.

I think what made me think about how sanctuaries are constructed is that I noticed that Unitarian Universalist churches tend to have large plate glass windows overlooking beautiful gardens or woods, suggesting a human continuity with nature. This is in contrast to most conventional churches, which are typically built with large walls and stained glass or otherwise opaque windows, which shut the outside world out. It's as if the churches take the lyrics of the old Christian hymn "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" quite literally, where the church is a stronghold, caught up in a battle against the evil in the world surrounding it. I don't think most people realize the extent to which theology dictates church construction and architecture.
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I'm not so sure it is as theological as practical. Large, clear glass in the South is a big no-no, quite literally. The solar gain is tremendous and air conditioners are already taxes to adequately cool a large room full of hundreds of warm bodies.

The sun also bleaches pews and carpets, so another negative, and then there is glare and considerations for services at different times of the day and the year. Constructing one with enough overhang of roof or recessed windows or trees blocking sun raises both design problems as well as maintenance issues with big trees near big buildings. When windows are much recessed, they present an alleyed view of the outside, which may have its own unappealing aspect.

I have attended mainline churches of several denominations that had clear glass strategically placed, but it's tricky. The best was in Pensacola, a United Methodist church, with a cupola atop the sancturary that had clear glass around it. It was raised enough that sun only came threw at an angle that beatifically shone upon the altar area. Truly stunning architectural planning.

Lastly, clear windows don't offer just views of the outside, but distractions in urban and suburban churches, where traffic and other things cannot be controlled so become diversions from the meditations intended.
 
The civil ceremony today, religious tomorrow.

We should all give thanks for its rebirth, and pay tribute to all of the brave men who saved it from total ruin and the brilliant and talented men and women who rebuilt it.
 
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