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NYT Points Out Obama-McCain Double Standard

sorry i disagree. if i was running for president, anyone who wants to vote for me and endorse me is welcome to whether or not i share their views. im not gonna turn down votes because of it.

however, having been a churchgoer most of my life, i find it hard to believe that obama was not aware of what his pastor was saying. i didnt have the personal relationship with my former pastor that obama had with his but i was well aware of what his sermon content as well as his political views. even if i missed a sermon, the congregation would always be discussing them and you would have had to have been completely disconnected from the church body to miss out.
 
As with Obama, I don't care what the candidate's pastor says as it isn't from the mouth of the candidate.

Statistically speaking, only the uneducated seemed to care about the Wright issue. Go to Gallup if you don't believe me. They've run polls on this.

You can give McCain some credit for not trying to talk to the bottom-of-the-barrel type of people like Hillary by harping on the Wright non-issue. McCain seemed uninterested in talking about it. It was just the hicks that seemed pissed. And Hillary went to town with them in Penn...

Not directed at you Sunoftheskye:


I would like to add however, that I've never seen gays so interested in talking about religion now that it seemed that it would hurt Obama. Nor did I think they were interested in pussy until I saw them blindly supporting Hillary.

:rolleyes:
 
Leaving aside the fact that far worse things are said about the Catholic church daily, on late night talk shows and even(perhaps especially) right here on JUB, John Hagee is not John McCain's pastor. There's no connection between them at all. He's just some dude that endorsed him. It's similar to having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton endorse Obama, their baggage doesn't automatically attach. If you attend someone's church for 16 years you can be expected to know what they've been talking about. Rev. Wright is not just some random Obama supporter.
 
Sangshao said:
Leaving aside the fact that far worse things are said about the Catholic church daily, on late night talk shows and even(perhaps especially) right here on JUB, John Hagee is not John McCain's pastor. There's no connection between them at all. He's just some dude that endorsed him. It's similar to having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton endorse Obama, their baggage doesn't automatically attach. If you attend someone's church for 16 years you can be expected to know what they've been talking about. Rev. Wright is not just some random Obama supporter.
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That is true. John McCain (though Episcopalian) has attended a Southern Baptist church for years. The Southern Baptist Convention is the only denomination that includes an anti-gay prohibition in its constituting documents. It's even worse than the Roman Catholic Church.
 
The explains why McCain and Huckabee keep running around saying Obama isn't responsible for the comments of his pastor.
He knows he can't go after Obama on this issue.
 
You can give McCain some credit for not trying to talk to the bottom-of-the-barrel type of people like Hillary by harping on the Wright non-issue. McCain seemed uninterested in talking about it. It was just the hicks that seemed pissed. And Hillary went to town with them in Penn
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First of all the "bottom-of-the-barrel" types are the ones that are unable to post in a political forum without calling a candidate obscene names and lying about them, not to mention the supporters that cheered Reverend Wright after 9/11 when he termed it "the chickens coming home to roost".

Clinton has only mentioned Wright twice, and that was in response to questions. Admirably she said she would not have sat listening to those sermons for 20 years.

What killed Obama in Pa was not the rural vote it was his inability to win in the upscale suburbs surrounding Philadelphia, the old Main Line. He did not even win Bucks County, the district of his state coordinator.

The Philly suburbs have the capability of cancelling the vote coming out of Philadelphia and are essential for a Democratic candidate.
 
iman said:
What killed Obama in Pa was not the rural vote it was his inability to win in the upscale suburbs surrounding Philadelphia, the old Main Line. He did not even win Bucks County, the district of his state coordinator.

The Philly suburbs have the capability of cancelling the vote coming out of Philadelphia and are essential for a Democratic candidate.
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I maintain that the endorsement and popularity of Governor Ed Rendell deep-sixed Obama. The same political machine that worked for Hillary will be working overtime for Barack Obama. IMO, extrapolating the results of the Democratic primary to the General Election is a specious argument at best. :mad:
 
Sangshao said:
Leaving aside the fact that far worse things are said about the Catholic church daily, on late night talk shows and even(perhaps especially) right here on JUB, John Hagee is not John McCain's pastor. There's no connection between them at all. He's just some dude that endorsed him. It's similar to having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton endorse Obama, their baggage doesn't automatically attach. If you attend someone's church for 16 years you can be expected to know what they've been talking about. Rev. Wright is not just some random Obama supporter.
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That's not technically true. McCain sought Hagee's endorsement.
 
I am somewhat disappointed that Obama didn't run with this one when the news was all over him regarding Wright. I imagine he was afraid that he would offend the fundamentalists, but cannot imagine what he could hope to gain by NOT offending them. They are all going to support McCain anyway. Obama really should have brought this up, because, as a Catholic I am highly offended that a) this piece of crap Hagee can say such things and is not called a bigot and run out on a rail and b) that a man as distinguished and supposedly as intelligent as McCain is supposed to be would actually court the endorsement of such scum. It really allows me to get to know the man alot better, though.
 
construct said:
More specifically, the pastor of the church McCain attends is Rev. Dan Yeary. Here's a link quoting him on homosexuality.

http://www.queerty.com/mccains-preacher-gays-detestable-20080407/
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I find this odd. Sen. McCain is a "baptist," but he refuses to be "baptized":

In a June interview with McClatchy Newspapers, the senator said his wife and two of their children have been baptized in the Arizona Baptist church, but he had not. “I didn’t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs,” he said.

He told McClatchy he found the Baptist church more fulfilling than the Episcopalian church, but still referred to himself as an Episcopalian.

The Associated Press asked McCain on Saturday how his Episcopal faith plays a role in his campaign and life. McCain grew up Episcopalian and attended an Episcopal high school in Alexandria, Va.

“It plays a role in my life. By the way, I’m not Episcopalian. I’m Baptist,” McCain said. “Do I advertise my faith? Do I talk about it all the time? No.”
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http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/why-were-baptized/

This baptist cited above is clearly not happy with his decision. I wonder if other baptists are or will be as well.
 
jdoe4822 said:
sorry i disagree. if i was running for president, anyone who wants to vote for me and endorse me is welcome to whether or not i share their views. im not gonna turn down votes because of it.

however, having been a churchgoer most of my life, i find it hard to believe that obama was not aware of what his pastor was saying. i didnt have the personal relationship with my former pastor that obama had with his but i was well aware of what his sermon content as well as his political views. even if i missed a sermon, the congregation would always be discussing them and you would have had to have been completely disconnected from the church body to miss out.
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endorsements come from everywhere - this is true

obama was IN the church with u know who for how long? little, make that big DIFF

this is a classic apples vs. oranges thingy

and the fact that the NYT brought it up ............. suggests (haha) an AGENDA - how shocking

and how obama handled wright was awful - sticks by his guy then ......... drops him when it gets too hot

not very deep is he


Sangshao said:
Leaving aside the fact that far worse things are said about the Catholic church daily, on late night talk shows and even(perhaps especially) right here on JUB, John Hagee is not John McCain's pastor. There's no connection between them at all. He's just some dude that endorsed him. It's similar to having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton endorse Obama, their baggage doesn't automatically attach. If you attend someone's church for 16 years you can be expected to know what they've been talking about. Rev. Wright is not just some random Obama supporter.
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another on the money analysis - kinda easy really

see one guy "the rev" is one candidate's mentor/pastor/buddy - u know - as in very strong relationship/connection

the other guy "hagee" is no one to mccain

kinda simple

real simple

unfortunately not for all

not for the agenda driving partisan mopes - like at the NYT - and on JUB
 
syntax70 said:
I find this odd. Sen. McCain is a "baptist," but he refuses to be "baptized":



http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/why-were-baptized/

This baptist cited above is clearly not happy with his decision. I wonder if other baptists are or will be as well.
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Southern Baptist churches practice believers' baptism by immersion. Churches also receive members by "transfer of letter" from another Southern Baptist church, statement of previous membership in a Southern Baptist church, or statement of previous baptism by another church of like faith and practice. The Episcopal Church is not a church of like faith and practice. Thus an Episcopal baptism as an infant would not be adequate for membership in the vast majority of Southern Baptist churches.

Also note that Article 1 of the bylaws of the Southern Baptist Convention states that no church that approves, affirms, or endorses homosexuality is a Southern Baptist church. The Southern Baptist Convention has written its rejection of gay people into its organizing document.
 
If I was in politics, I would accept anyone who agreed with my political plans. I don't care if their KKK, Neo-Nazi, or w/e. As long as they support at least some of my plans, which would hopefully be for the benefit of all they effect.

No, I wouldn't agree with their views on social groups, and no, I wouldn't agree with their opinions on many matters, but as a politician, I would need all the support I can get. If approached by the media and accused as such, I would tell the truth, and tell them that I don't support teir opinions on social groups, and I would politely and publicly apologize to the groups if they assumed such.

My method of politics, I think wouldn't work too well... it's too polite and upfront.
 
construct said:
Also note that Article 1 of the bylaws of the Southern Baptist Convention states that no church that approves, affirms, or endorses homosexuality is a Southern Baptist church. The Southern Baptist Convention has written its rejection of gay people into its organizing document.
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The Southern Baptist Church was, of course, created at the time of the Civil War by breaking away from the northern baptists. The SBC was specifically created to justify religiously the "rights" of slave owners. The SBC for years preached that God regarded slaves in the same way he regarded farm animals - worthy, perhaps, of compassion but certainly not the equivalent of human beings.

Perhaps in another thousand years or so, the Southern Baptists will finally figure out that Christ was about love, not hate.
 
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