Obama‘s drop in Virginia Polls blamed on ’racism’

[Jack Springer]

The lady is bat-shit crazy.

Maybe she wants to be the new Rev Al or Jesse Jackson.

There's money in continuing "the fight".

 

[JayHawk]

Dude your from Missouri and you think racism doesnt exist? Are you a shut in?

 

[Jack Springer]

Dude you're from Missouri and you think racism doesn't exist? Are you a shut in?

JH -- my point is that racism is not a huge factor anymore. We have come a long, long way.

People like the state senator from Virginia, Jesse Jackson, and Rev Al want to keep racism alive because it makes money for them.

Yeah -- I see racism yet today -- I was surprised when I lived in Oregon how much more prevalent racism was there as compared to here.

 

[chance1]

Chance I know you travel. However I lived in VA and owned a bar there in a more rural setting. I can not count the number of times I had to ask folks NOT to use the word N#$%@r when referring to the 2008 election and the now President Obama.

I am now in Kansas and have little to no doubt she is correct on racism. When folks come onto talk radio and the first thing out of their mouth is "well you know how THEM people are..." then after that it really doesn't matter what they have to say. To their credit most radio host either make fun of their position or simply hang up on them and call them ignorant. But it is there and alive and quite well.

dude - 3 mos. ago Obama +8

now - even

the racists were on vacation ?

the racists went to romney initiation camps?

she's a screwball - like maxine waters - who reflexively thinks (like many here) that anti obama or pro romney sentiment is .......

racially motivated

sure racism exists - everywhere

much less than it used to be

BARACK OBAMA WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT

talk is cheap - and this woman is a fucking disaster

and represents the WORST in elected officials

she's al sharpton with panties - cept she's IN OFFICE

so unfortunately dear JH you're not looking at the issue - the issue IS NOT is there racism in the country or in virginia

did you hear her other reason for polls changing?

that people are on vacation now (when new poll was taken)

she's a mess

 

[chance1]

Dude your from Missouri and you think racism doesnt exist? Are you a shut in?

distraction

and you know it

 

[JayHawk]

Oh i see your point in this instance of polling data and pulling a race card where no specific proof exist.

But the idea that race isn't alive and well and that there are people who will not vote for Obama or look at what he does with anything but a jaundiced eye BECAUSE of his skin color just don't meet the sanity test.

I see it and hear it every day. The mouthpieces for the republican party do embrace that hate as a key constituency they know they have in the bag. Just as Southern Democrats sought to embrace racism when the slaves were freed and the culmination was the KKK. The current Tea Party has very viable and realistic folks. However it also has loons who embrace those theories we find deplorable.

 

[chance1]

JH - I agree with you that racism exists

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT

the piece is about an elected official's radio interview explaining the shift (8 points) in polls - please read/listen what she said

she's al sharpton-esque - not adding to the discourse

then she says 100% of our economic probs are GWB - NONE for Obama\

it's only a few minutes - check it

she's sorta the opposite of Michelle Bachman

again - please do not get into a broad conversation about race here - it's a distraction - no one is denying the existence

but black racism exists too - see Trayvon Martin case and response by sharpton + and many elected officials - members of the house who defaulted to race card

disappointed in obama last night - he should've addressed black on black crime in inner cities - he whiffed on a great opp IMO

 

[HenryReardon]

"The stimulus is credited by almost every living economist as preventing a depression a thousand times worse than the great depression."

'almost every living economist' Gee, how vague can you get?

I did a quick search and found several living economists who say it didn't work.

The article from National Review sums it up:

Why the Stimulus Failed - By Sam Staley - The Corner - National Review Online


The bottom line is that you don't stimulate the economy long-term by creating and/or preserving jobs in the public sector. The public sector does not create wealth, it actually consumes wealth. History should teach us that, even if common sense doesn't.

 

[HenryReardon]

"The stimulus is credited by almost every living economist as preventing a depression a thousand times worse than the great depression."

'almost every living economist' Gee, how vague can you get?

I did a quick search and found several living economists who say it didn't work.

The article from National Review sums it up:

Why the Stimulus Failed - By Sam Staley - The Corner - National Review Online


The bottom line is that you don't stimulate the economy long-term by creating and/or preserving jobs in the public sector. The public sector does not create wealth, it actually consumes wealth. History should teach us that, even if common sense doesn't.

"almost every living economist" aside, there are those who make a case that the stimulus not only failed, it may well have made things worse:

« Did Obama Make It Worse? Commentary Magazine

 

[Kulindahr]

the economist during Bush's Presidency prior to Obama taking office predicted the employment and economic situation could not possibly improve until 2014 to 2016. So that is an empty argument full of holes. Plenty of other offers to change employment on the table including infrastructure spending which is using quite bipartisan but the congress that has done the LEAST in the history of our country who hapens to be controlled by republicans who wont even pass bills that are normally in their interest LIKE the farm bill in the worst drought of the century and some how Romney is going to change that?

Romney will learn the same thing that Boehner did: bow and kiss Tea Party ass or get nothing done. And he'll learn the same thing Obama did: bow and kiss Republican ass or get nothing done.

We have ideological delinquents who thrive on eighteenth-century views of economics holding the country hostage.

 

[Kulindahr]

The lady is bat-shit crazy.

Maybe she wants to be the new Rev Al or Jesse Jackson.

There's money in continuing "the fight".

Dude your from Missouri and you think racism doesnt exist? Are you a shut in?

These are not mutually exclusive: she can be bat-shit crazy and racism still be a problem.

 

[Kulindahr]

The bottom line is that you don't stimulate the economy long-term by creating and/or preserving jobs in the public sector. The public sector does not create wealth, it actually consumes wealth. History should teach us that, even if common sense doesn't.

That's not entirely true. The public sector can create wealth, it's just that it rarely does.* I'd call the National Park system a form of wealth, along with wildlife preserves and such, and even universities.

The biggest reason the public sector doesn't create wealth is that it's the commons -- and I presume you're familiar with the tragedy of the commons. Everyone expects that the entire commons is for his benefit, and forgets about all the rest. So in order to maintain the commons, sucking up resources is required.

The solution, BTW, was never to eliminate the commons, it was to determine what needed to be common and what should be private. The real consumption of wealth occurs when the public sector is doing something as commons which needn't be there.




* I'd be surprised if any government ever spent more than 2% of its revenues actually creating wealth.

 

[HenryReardon]

"That's not entirely true. The public sector can create wealth, it's just that it rarely does.* I'd call the National Park system a form of wealth"

Those are intangibles. We're talking about real wealth, the kind of wealth that leads to more of the same.

 

[Benvolio]

The government did not create the parks. It merely put up the fences.

 

[62624rd]

I am from a conserative area of Virginia and most people in the this area do not like his health care plan (obama-care). The university here even filed a lawsuit with the supreme court. Also when he came out for gay marriage he lost a lot of people here.

 

[Benvolio]

His hostility to capitalism, businesses, employers and the successful half of the country is widly unpopular.

 

[JayHawk]

"The stimulus is credited by almost every living economist as preventing a depression a thousand times worse than the great depression."

'almost every living economist' Gee, how vague can you get?

I did a quick search and found several living economists who say it didn't work.

The article from National Review sums it up:

Why the Stimulus Failed - By Sam Staley - The Corner - National Review Online


The bottom line is that you don't stimulate the economy long-term by creating and/or preserving jobs in the public sector. The public sector does not create wealth, it actually consumes wealth. History should teach us that, even if common sense doesn't.

Republicans believe in a free market and Keynesian Economics correct?

What is the prescription for maintaining the economy under Keynesian economics? After you figure it out then that is one principle republicans threw away to be tea partiers.

What did (<-- operative word) republicans used to easily pass and staunchly stand for?

- American superiority in space and infrastructure?
- Protecting America's food sources with farm Bills that ensured no matter how low labor was our bread basket would stay HERE?
- Sane fiscal policies that did not spend ridiculous amounts of money on unnecessary expenditures? Like say a million man army when the two wars involved are almost completely done?
- Protecting hometown America by developing policy that helps the small guy get a piece of the dream? Or were they always the party that drafted NOTHING offered NOTHING and legislated NOTHING just to arrive at one place -- The Whitehouse.

So yeah you can drag out a paid idiot from the review to say it is so but these are the same people who have folks swear up and down you can cure homosexuality, that tobacco aint really bad for you and that despite NO evidence to the contrary of malfeasance they should enact voter restrictions so wide ranging they haven't been duplicated since trying to repress the slaves.

THAT is the problem sweetness. Not the fact that you know the National Reviews website.

 

[JayHawk]

Romney will learn the same thing that Boehner did: bow and kiss Tea Party ass or get nothing done. And he'll learn the same thing Obama did: bow and kiss Republican ass or get nothing done.

We have ideological delinquents who thrive on eighteenth-century views of economics holding the country hostage.

Yes indeed... hell as many times as he has switched official policy I would say he has already learned how to kiss the skankiest ass in the room

 

[JayHawk]

That's not entirely true. The public sector can create wealth, it's just that it rarely does.* I'd call the National Park system a form of wealth, along with wildlife preserves and such, and even universities.

* I'd be surprised if any government ever spent more than 2% of its revenues actually creating wealth.

The stimulus created wealth... It was paid back in full with interest... Cheers

 

[chance1]

lots of discussions about lots of things

but this elected official should've been condemned for her race baiting which makes NO sense in addition to her nonsensical vacation rationale

she's not very bright

she's incendiary

obama gives cory booker shit for saying something responsible - makes him retract when everyone knows he was speaking his POV/the truth

but this woman skates

more Obama hypocrisy