Obama caves in

[ColorSlaughter]

I agree with everything you've written.

So, how about if liberals pull a Blue Dog and refuse to support any bill that doesn't have a public option? I mean if six senators from Podunk states can sabotage health care for the rest of us, isn't it appropriate for liberals to close their legs and walk (admittedly an anatomically difficult thing to do)? Why support a bad bill?

All supporters of a public option, or even single-payer options, must throw a collective shitfit.
On social networks, on blogs, in emails, and on the streets. You know, the real world with sidewalks and street lights, where the opposition has taken over the debate. That's the only way anything even remotely decent would be done.

However, the dems are notorious for their spineless incompetence.

 

[HenryReardon]

We are painfully aware that you right wing nuts can focus on more than one thing at a time. After all, look at your accomplishments under BushCheney. You fucked up our foreign relations by lying us into an unnecessary war in Iraq while failing to accomplish anything positive in Afghanistan, thus enmeshing us in two quagmires, in the process destroying our relationships with every other country in the world. Then you fuck up the economy. You also fucked up the environment. Did nothing on health care, leaving it an unqualified mess. There was a reason the American people didn't vote for McCalin/Bailin. There was nothing left for the right wing to fuck up!

What a mountain of absolute drivel.

BTW - "We" are painfully aware. "We?" Would that be you and your tapeworm? Or you and your imaginary friend?

 

[MystikWizard]

The interesting thing about all of this, is that the Republicans on here and the Right who I take a look at while perusing Right Wing boards seem to treat this whole thing like a God-damned game. It doesn't seem to register to them that this is a serious issue that would help improve the lives of our society .... offering affordable coverage to people not currently insured, while offering alternatives to people who are dissatisfied with their current coverage.

No Pre-existing conditions was a big factor for me, as well as lowering premiums and deductibles. This option would have done that. It wouldn't have eliminated the Private Health Care companies, however it would have forced them to become more competitive with their terms and pricing. Why the Fuck do people want to kill this? Because they are too busy playing games with choosing which team (Republican/Democrat) to root for?

Basically, what I see Republicans doing is simply saying "Well, Obama is for reforming Health Care, and he is a Democrat .... so since I'm a Republicans, I have to take the opposite approach of whatever policy he is for ... regardless if it actually benefits our country or not."

Stupid Fucks. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You are a Fucking disgrace.

 

[ColorSlaughter]

I'm surprised there isn't a march planned. Of course, the media is only interested when right wing whackjobs scream

"I WANT MY (WHITE) COUNTRY BACK!"

They aren't too interested in normal people demanding change.

Ha. If I knew how, had the resources, and was in any position to do so, I'd plan one myself. Like all things, I imagine you'd have to start on a local level. demand the news stations and papers attentions, protests, marches, things of that ilk. :/

Unfortunately I'm just as incompetent and stupid as I claim the dems are, but the inequality that exists in this nation, the one that's created just from the health care issue alone is so mind-boggling and staggering I can't close my eyes.

 

[JB3]

The interesting thing about all of this, is that the Republicans on here and the Right who I take a look at while perusing Right Wing boards seem to treat this whole thing like a God-damned game. It doesn't seem to register to them that this is a serious issue that would help improve the lives of our society .... offering affordable coverage to people not currently insured, while offering alternatives to people who are dissatisfied with their current coverage.

No Pre-existing conditions was a big factor for me, as well as lowering premiums and deductibles. This option would have done that. It wouldn't have eliminated the Private Health Care companies, however it would have forced them to become more competitive with their terms and pricing. Why the Fuck do people want to kill this? Because they are too busy playing games with choosing which team (Republican/Democrat) to root for?

Basically, what I see Republicans doing is simply saying "Well, Obama is for reforming Health Care, and he is a Democrat .... so since I'm a Republicans, I have to take the opposite approach of whatever policy he is for ... regardless if it actually benefits our country or not."

Stupid Fucks. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You are a Fucking disgrace.

I don't give a fuck who's proposing it. What I care about is that what is being proposed is actually going to fix the problems.

NONE of the bills proposed fix the single biggest problem in our system; that medical costs are spiraling out of control, and insurance costs are rising as a result.

Where is the fix for that?

 

[ColorSlaughter]

Stop it right there. You aren't what you dismiss yourself as -- in fact you're part of the solution. We need leadership and leadership from organizations. You know, like the Unions, like Moveon, like PFAW? No one average person can mobilize a nation, but our collective organizations can. Sadly, all I hear are crickets. Um, memo to the organized Left: We're ready!

You have a very good point. I guess its time for me and everyone else I can convince to start sending some emails.

 

[JB3]

Huh? I don't understand your point.

That it doesn't matter if congress passes bills by reconciliation, a president still has to sign them. You cited back to '95; who was president back then, and which party was he affiliated with? If what they were pushing through was so offensive, then why did a Democrat sign the bills into law?

 

[HenryReardon]

Stupid Fucks. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You are a Fucking disgrace.

It's people like you who should be ashamed of yourselves.

You want the government to take money by force from other people in order to meet your own selfish needs.

What makes you so special that you are entitled to benefit from the theft of money from other people?

 

[Apollo]

It's people like you who should be ashamed of yourselves.

You want the government to take money by force from other people in order to meet your own selfish needs.

What makes you so special that you are entitled to benefit from the theft of money from other people?

"The only thing guaranteed in this world is death and taxes" (paraphrased)

 

[MystikWizard]

It's people like you who should be ashamed of yourselves.

You want the government to take money by force from other people in order to meet your own selfish needs.

What makes you so special that you are entitled to benefit from the theft of money from other people?

It isn't theft. As the others have stated, it has a name ... and it's called taxes. And the reason they would be raised would be to help give the people in this country who can not afford health care coverage an alternative so that they can.

Do you, sir, make $250,000 or above? Those are the ones who will see an increase in taxes. A clear majority of those people were born into the right circumstances to be afforded the opportunity to make as much. Others, are not quite so fortunate.

Those people will still be paying premiums. However, the coverage will be made more affordable for them, as they can not afford Health Care at its current costs. Also, again, there would be no pre-existing conditions.

I hear the argument/claim people make about whether or not Health Care is a right. The Right likes to say that it isn't. Yet ironically, these are the same people who "serve God" ... while the Democrats are actually the ones taking the more humanitarian approach with this. Ironic, isn't it? Health Care is a right if the people feel that it is a right. I, for one, do feel that it should be a right.

Also, I thought people like you were supposed to be compassionate about the so-called Death Panels, and were supposedly concerned about our poor Seniors. Yet here, you show you aren't a compassionate person, at all when it comes to providing affordable Health Care to those that can't afford it. Once again, it is clearly about taking sides with Republicans. Just take the opposite approach of whatever Obama says, right?

So, my comments stand.

If this story is true, there had better be huge protests on the part of the Left this week to counter these Republican efforts to kill this.

 

[HenryReardon]

It isn't theft. As the others have stated, it has a name ... and it's called taxes. And the reason they would be raised would be to help give the people in this country who can not afford health care coverage an alternative so that they can.

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Taxes are not voluntary payments. Stop paying them long enough and you will be taken, at gunpoint, to prison.

Providing healthcare for citizens is not a legitimate function of government.

So, your comment still stands as the ultimate selfish whine of the loser - "I don't have what I need, so I want the government to take it away from someone else and give it to me."

 

[Apollo]

Taxes are not voluntary payments. Stop paying them long enough and you will be taken, at gunpoint, to prison.

Providing healthcare for citizens is not a legitimate function of government.

So, your comment still stands as the ultimate selfish whine of the loser - "I don't have what I need, so I want the government to take it away from someone else and give it to me."

I hope you don't use the Medicare system when you get old enough. If you are old enough for it, then you should cease using it immediately. You shouldn't use it because it would go agaisnt everything you stand for.

It sucks when a person is so selfish as you to not want to help your fellow citizen. I guess you like our system to be sub par to all the other industrialized nations, and be compared to having health care as bad as a third world countries, despite having the best doctors in the world.

 

[Apollo]

All people who don't support a public option shouldn't have the right to medicare. It goes agaisnt all their beliefs and what they are fighting for right now.

Save the medicare money for people who want to help their fellow man. And bring this country a little more out of the dark ages.

 

[Apollo]

If this whole debate was about giving people public health care then they would simply expand Medicare. The fact that they are not is at least anecdotal evidence that this is about controlling all health care.

No they want to give people a public option if they can't afford those crazy ass insurance companies. But now that isn't an option because the old crazies on medicare like listening to insurance companies.

This is about reform and giving people options where they don't have any. Not middle class? No health care for you. Got a pre-existing condition? You can TRY finding health insurance, but good luck on that one. Got cancer, and truly need treatment, but no insurance and no way to pay for it? Well let's hope you have good life insurance, and they can get you a fancy coffin. To young to be on Medicare, not poor enough to be on Medicaid? I suggest taking a bus and don't leave your house. Have health insurance now? Have a good lawyer set up on the side.

 

[noah617]

So, your comment still stands as the ultimate selfish whine of the loser - "I don't have what I need, so I want the government to take it away from someone else and give it to me."

Are you equally sick of the selfish whine of the losers who want me to pay for their kids to go to school. I can afford to pay for my hypothetical kids to go to school why should they take my money to pay for them?

And what about these selfish whiners who get to deduct their mortgage interest from their income taxes? Why should I be supporting these losers in their efforts to buy a house.

And don't get me started on these selfish losers who can't afford to pay for their own police and fire. As the Founding Father's said the government has no business getting involved in providing for the general welfare of its citizens?

Sarcasm aside, every other country seems to get it. Having a healthy populace is not only the moral thing to strive for, but it also provides a basic foundation and stability necessary for a country to thrive. Good health is no lesser in importance than good education and security. So why do we as a country only provide for two of the three.

 

[noah617]

I think this guy has an accurate take on what's really going on here. He was the head of communications for Cigna and says that the insurance companies are working hard behind the scenes to kill any reform. This includes providing talking points to conservative talk show hosts, business groups and politicians so they can rile up the populace.

What I'm trying to do as I write and speak out against the insurance industry I was a part of for nearly two decades is to inform Americans that when they hear isolated stories of long waiting times to see doctors in Canada and allegations that care in other systems is rationed by "government bureaucrats," someone associated with the insurance industry wrote the original script. [...]

So the next time you hear someone warning against a "government takeover" of our health care system, or that the creation of a public health insurance option would send us down the "slippery slope toward socialism," know that someone like I used to be wrote those terms, knowing it might turn many of the very people who would benefit most from meaningful reform into unwitting spokespeople for the industry. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/potter.health.insurance/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

 

[HenryReardon]

Good health is no lesser in importance than good education and security. So why do we as a country only provide for two of the three.

Two of the three? Hardly.

Government schools are a disgrace.

The border between the US and Mexico is a sieve.

 

[noah617]

Two of the three? Hardly.

Government schools are a disgrace.

The border between the US and Mexico is a sieve.

I'm not quite understanding how your point is relevant to what I said. I wasn't referencing the quality of these programs just that we as a people think it's important to have universal education and protection. In my opinion universal health is just as important and should be treated as such.

 

[Apollo]

I'm not quite understanding how your point is relevant to what I said. I wasn't referencing the quality of these programs just that we as a people think it's important to have universal education and protection. In my opinion universal health is just as important and should be treated as such.

If he had his way he wouldn't be paying for either, despite probably using both.

Unless he was some uppity rich person who went to private school and had private body guards.

 

[hotatlboi]

yet another example of justapixel's hypocrisy.

If you disagree with Obama, you will blast him on the issues. If he agrees with you, you will pretend to care about the other side and attack him for not being liberal enough and compromising, lol.

It's all about using every chance you have to spew your unfounded vitriol.