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Obama "enhances" Grandmother Story

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I understand, unlike some, that politicians often enhance their own credentials, but when the "enhancement" slanders your Grandmother it's a bit much for me.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html


So, in summary, let's look at how Obama smeared his own elderly but very much alive grandmother, calling her:​



<a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe



Well, no, according to Obama's 1995 book, it is not at all true that she "once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street." Instead, she once confessed her fear of one aggressive black beggar who didn't pass by her but instead confronted her, demanded money, and then gave her -- an intelligent, level-headed woman who had worked her way up to a mid-level corporate management position -- good reason to believe he would have violently mugged her if her bus hadn't pulled up.​
 
How can this blogger (whoever he is) know what things Obama's grandmother has said on any of a number of occasions over the course of many years?

This seems a little hysterical to me. I can hear the hyperventilation.
 
I'm old enough to remember half a dozen prime ministers of the three countries where I've lived, and I don't think any journalist ever paid attention to their parents, let alone their grandparents for crying out loud.

Do you judge politicians by their grandparents? Businesswomen? University professors? Taxi drivers? Foreign exchange students? Fuckbuddies? Their grandparents are irrelevant, immaterial, unimportant. Right?

I don't think iman is judging Obama by his grandmother, I think he's saying that Obama lied about whatever she may or may not have said. My point is: how can you possibly know what she said in private over the course of many years and, therefore, whether or not Obama distorted it? It's all a little feeble.
 
Obama's book talks about one instance in which someone black made his grandmother upset.
Obama in his speech talked about things his grandmother had said.


Well, gee, since they're both things about his grandmother, and both involve black people, they must be the same unique event, right?
This error is one even a middle-school kid should be ashamed of! It's like someone relating that cocktail parties make him nervous, but in an old interview there's a statement about a cocktail party he truly enjoyed, and then saying one of those statements is a lie.
 
So it's just an incredible coincidence? Obama writes two books about his life long identity crisis, detailing the conflicts between his black heritage and his white heritage, quoting extensively instances of white prejudice and he just happens to recall another instance of Grandma's bigotry when he needs to for the sake of his political campaign?

I don't think so. The more we see of Barack the more he appears to be a fictional character in his own novel. Who is he? Does he even know?
 
^What is with your ridiculous denial? Do we have two sets of standards? Do we take at face value what some politicians say? Have we abandoned all common sense?
 
what is with your ridiculous obsession?

Yes. I loathe everything there is to know about Bush, for example, (and however much one may loathe Obama, no one in their right mind thinks Obama is as loathsome -- certainly not as destructive -- as Bush), but I don't sit around ripping at the cuticles of a Bush obsession until I have no other life.

Really, iman, you're free to hate Obama and not vote for him, but the frantic, breathless, borderline-hysterical nature of your opposition to him says a hell of a lot more about you than it does him. I don't know what it is, specifically, that's triggered this emotional minefield for you, but it's far out of proportion to whatever "crimes" Obama may have committed. For your own sake (if not for the tone of these forums), take a step back and get some perspective.
 
^What is with your ridiculous denial? Do we have two sets of standards? Do we take at face value what some politicians say? Have we abandoned all common sense?

You certainly abandoned all common sense when you defended the GI Hillary landing in a hail of gunfire with her platoon of Cheslea, Sinbad, and Sheryl Crow
 
I have the solution to this problem. If you don't like Obama, then don't vote for him. If you want to promote your favorite candidate, then do it by stating that candidate's strong points. Slandering others just provides you with a loss of your own integrity (as well as your candidate).
 
I have the solution to this problem. If you don't like Obama, then don't vote for him. If you want to promote your favorite candidate, then do it by stating that candidate's strong points. Slandering others just provides you with a loss of your own integrity (as well as your candidate).

:=D: :=D: :=D: :=D: :=D:

I want a person for president. Not a "woman" and not a "black man." Just a person.

Being black is and would have been an issue with whatever black person first ran for president (believably). Obama couldn't possibly have avoided his skin color becoming an issue.
 
What is with your ridiculous denial? Do we have two sets of standards? Do we take at face value what some politicians say? Have we abandoned all common sense?

There is a certain antagonistic obsession here, and a much unwarranted fixation on negativity and slander. To be accurate, the negative attacks are from multiple sources on this board in favor of different candidates. Just look at the topic lists on the front page. To me, it reads down sort of like:

“Hillary likes drinking the fresh blood of babies”
“Obama shoots grandma in the face”
“Obama’s candidacy dead”
“Hillary robs bank”

Chill out people. If you want to promote a candidate, then rationally explain their strengths. Don’t just go ripping on the other person to the point of slander and inaccuracy. Blind obsession with attacking candidates gets no one anywhere.

Obama is not a grandma-hater, nor is he a racist, bigot, traitor, or so on. In fact, he probably just made a speech that will go down in history. It was uniquely candid and perceptive on the subject of American racial divisions – rarely does a major politician speak to the public as if the public were intelligent, conscious adults. Too often, American politicians speak down to their audience, and make blatantly one-sided opinions on major policy issues, insisting on the simplicity of an issue rather than complexity, and conformity to the party-line rather than a genuine two-way insight.

I’m not immediately voting for Obama because of anything against Hillary, or even necessarily because of his eloquence, but because of his penetrating intelligence and judgment. Yes, I’m a white southerner too.

The truth is, Obama has carefully tried to avoid making his campaign appear “racially based”, as if his candidacy was some sort of result in affirmative action. To allow such an image to grow would be politically unwise. And its an easy trap to fall into given his unconventional nature and unique full name. It would alienate portions of white voters (and yes… it would; not necessarily out of racism, but out of discomfort for voting a self advertised “the black guy”). Hence he has tried to appear more broadly. Until Wright's sermon reached the public, Obama had largely succeeded in avoiding the issue of race.

With Wright's comments, Obama had to confront race as an issue in a way that he perhaps would not have had – and I don't hold that against him. He had every political and pragmatic reason not to make himself into “the black guy” as a candidate. He only now had to confront it head on. And confront it he did.

The truth is black leaders need racism to exist to further their power. Mr. Wright is a perfect example of this. Obama doesn't want to get his hands dirty but is more than willing to profit from it. He's a passive bigot or at the least a con man willing to work both sides of this issue. Most of us are in the middle and get along fine. I'm white. I have no issues with blacks, hispanics, or anyone else. But I do have an issue with being told it's all my fault. Well, it's not my fault. Black, white, brown, you can kiss my ass if you expect me to go out of my way to kiss someone's ass for something I didn't do.

With no disrespect, I’ll be concise here.

- Obama’s speech never says that its all the “white man’s fault”, nor does he imply it. Read the speech transcript.

- Obama is not a con man, nor is he a bigot. Learn about candidates before you attack them.

- Obama has avoided the topic and played it down until now. He hardly desires to "profit" from it.

- Your first sentence is easily more bigoted and misinformed than anything Obama has ever said, written, or done.
 
There is a certain antagonistic obsession here, and a much unwarranted fixation on negativity and slander. To be accurate, the negative attacks are from multiple sources on this board in favor of different candidates. Just look at the topic lists on the front page. To me, it reads down sort of like:

“Hillary likes drinking the fresh blood of babies”
“Obama shoots grandma in the face”
“Obama’s candidacy dead”
“Hillary robs bank”

Chill out people. If you want to promote a candidate, then rationally explain their strengths. Don’t just go ripping on the other person to the point of slander and inaccuracy. Blind obsession with attacking candidates gets no one anywhere.

Obama is not a grandma-hater, nor is he a racist, bigot, traitor, or so on. In fact, he probably just made a speech that will go down in history. It was uniquely candid and perceptive on the subject of American racial divisions – rarely does a major politician speak to the public as if the public were intelligent, conscious adults. Too often, American politicians speak down to their audience, and make blatantly one-sided opinions on major policy issues, insisting on the simplicity of an issue rather than complexity, and conformity to the party-line rather than a genuine two-way insight.

I’m not voting for Obama because of anything against Hillary, or even necessarily because of his eloquence, but because of his penetrating intelligence and judgment. Yes, I’m a white southerner too.

The truth is, Obama has carefully tried to avoid making his campaign appear “racially based”, as if his candidacy was some sort of result in affirmative action. To allow such an image to grow would be politically unwise. And its an easy trap to fall into given his unconventional nature and unique full name. It would alienate portions of white voters (and yes… it would; not necessarily out of racism, but out of discomfort for voting a self advertised “the black guy”). Hence he has tried to appear more broadly. Until Wright's sermon reached the public, Obama had largely succeeded in avoiding the issue of race.

With Wright's comments, Obama had to confront race as an issue in a way that he perhaps would not have had – and I don't hold that against him. He had every political and pragmatic reason not to make himself into “the black guy” as a candidate. He only now had to confront it head on. And confront it he did.



With no disrespect, I’ll be concise here.

- Obama’s speech never says that its all the “white man’s fault”, nor does he imply it. Read the speech transcript.

- Obama is not a con man, nor is he a bigot. Learn about candidates before you attack them.

- Obama has avoided the topic and played it down until now. He hardly desires to "profit" from it.

- Your first sentence is easily more bigoted and misinformed than anything Obama has ever said, written, or done.

Out of the mouths of babes... You're one hell of an impressive nineteen year old.

:=D:


 
Really, iman, you're free to hate Obama and not vote for him, but the frantic, breathless, borderline-hysterical nature of your opposition to him says a hell of a lot more about you than it does him. I don't know what it is, specifically, that's triggered this emotional minefield for you, but it's far out of proportion to whatever "crimes" Obama may have committed. For your own sake (if not for the tone of these forums), take a step back and get some perspective.

I wonder why it is necessary for Obama supporters to reduce everything to "you hate Obama". It strikes me as much the same thing one encounters when a Bible story is questioned and is greeted with a "You hate Jesus" response.

I don't hate Obama and there is nothing about him that has provoked an hysterical response, nor do I believe he has committed any "crimes". Obama folks certainly are given to hyperbole when they don't have the facts or common sense on their side.

I have been disappointed by the manner in which Obama has conducted his campaign and I question his character for following such a cynical career path. Race was never an inevitable factor in the campaign, Obama could have run a better campaign without it that would have been good for the country. He chose to use race time after time, from his autobiography to Reverend Wright.

I recall Bobby Kennedy's prediction that it was conceivable for a black man to run for President in 50 years. People laughed at him, but I have always thought and hoped his prediction was accurate. Obama has proven that Kennedy was right, unfortunately Obama has betrayed the legacy of people like Kennedy by running a deeply cynical, divisive and disingenuous campaign.

The point of the thread is that politicians, Clinton included, enhance their records and it is unfair to criticize one without an exam of the other. Characterizing every negative post about Obama's career as a "hate" thread is juvenile. If you want to read some real hate threads, look at some of those posted about Hillary Clinton.
 
"I recall Bobby Kennedy's prediction that it was conceivable for a black man to run for President in 50 years. People laughed at him, but I have always thought and hoped his prediction was accurate. Obama has proven that Kennedy was right, unfortunately Obama has betrayed the legacy of people like Kennedy by running a deeply cynical, divisive and disingenuous campaign."

Actually, this is very interesting to me.

Amazing that we can all (or most of us, I assume) respect (maybe even idolize?) Bobby Kennedy (I certainly do) and see him with one set of eyes and yet see Obama with a great many different sets of eyes. I'll have to think about that... Obviously, I don't think it's because Obama is any more inherently polarizing than RFK was in his day.

For what it's worth, Bobby (if I may be so familiar) was as wily a politician as ever walked the earth; high-minded, idealistic and ruthless all at the same time -- hardly a saint. I'm not sure why Obama should be expected to be any different. I also would be willing to bet anything that RFK would be supporting Obama these days -- and maybe getting impatient with him when he fucked up.

I know this isn't a direct response to your last post, but I'm getting burnt out and need some fresh air.
 
RFK's children are supporting Mrs. Clinton. Many of us were disappointed when RFK did not come out against the Vietnam war and oppose LBJ until Gene McCarthy won the New Hampshire primary. The stakes were high, there were thousands being killed in Vietnam in a war even less defensible than the present one. Nevertheless many of supported him as the best chance of changing the administration.

Obama is not the best chance of changing the administration. I do not think he is electable and will give the Republicans their best chance of retaining the White House. We also knew who Kennedy was, I don't know who Obama is.
 
Each page consists of 50 threads, in this snapshot of time, 8 of these threads are yours on the front page---all against Obama, none for or against Rodham. The same is true for your threads on page 2 and 3. Taking a look at your last 50 posts is even more damning against you. Perhaps you should take a step back and re-evaluate the reality of your obsession.
That would be because I am opposed to Obama.
 
Obama is not the best chance of changing the administration. I do not think he is electable and will give the Republicans their best chance of retaining the White House.

OK, you may be right about his electability; I honestly don't have a strong instinct about that yet. At this point, both Hillary and Obama seem to be tarnished -- he for the Wright thing and she because, well, her favorable ratings have always been low.

But what do you mean by the bit I've highlighted? Do you mean he won't have the best chance of changing the status quo in Washington if he does become Prez? Why do you feel that? (Honestly want to know; I'm not attacking.) What if he were to have a Democratic congress to work with? Or do you mean he won't be able to change things because you feel he's unelectable in the first place?
 
Obama has proven that Kennedy was right, unfortunately Obama has betrayed the legacy of people like Kennedy by running a deeply cynical, divisive and disingenuous campaign.

:rolleyes:

Are we inside the same election?
 
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