Obama on Rev. Jeremiah Wright

[blueto21]

Again what a class act. Go Obama!



John McCain on Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama



I would never vote for John McCain but he has a hell of a lot more integrity and decency than any of you Billary supporters crucifying Obama for something his Pastor said that he had nothing to do with. Well done John McCain.

President of United Church of Christ on Rev. Jeremiah Wright

 

[kneelin]

NO amount of apologizing or denouncing now (that he's ben put on the spot) can justify Bho's 'looking the other way' all these years; you are judged by the company you keep, and in this case it tells a lot about Bho's judgement!

 

[iman]

So, Obama compares his political problems to the martyrdom of Dr. King and then compares himself to Bobby Kennedy and finally becomes the Jesus figure, above it all and our deliverer and savior. BULLLLLSHIT!

King and Kennedy actually stood for something, they actually fought fights and had the wounds to prove it. Obama is a poseur, he has never tackled a tough issue or taken a controversial stance and has, in fact, avoided the tough calls. He has no chance of "bringing us together" and no chance of solving problems, unless he just plans to compromise at every turn.

He should be ashamed of himself for comparing his campaign to the great figures of the 20th century, but, if he is not ashamed of his con artist pastor, there is little chance that he will be ashamed of himself.

The only way to get anything accomplished in this country is to take a stand and fight for what one believes in. Obama shows no capacity or inclination to fight for anything.

I have to admire McCain's generous response, but, of course, he he has others to stir the pot.

Did anyone notice how the Church President played to the congregations sense of victimhood by suggesting people opposed Afrocentrism? They ate it up.

 

[khushibagh]

If Hillary becomes the nominee, Senator McCain will have a historic opportunity to reach out to the black community and other disgusted Obama supporters so he gains nothing by piling on at this time. Better for him to let all the racist frustration in the Hillary campaign bubble out and leave him smelling like a rose.

 

[Kulindahr]

So, Obama compares his political problems to the martyrdom of Dr. King and then compares himself to Bobby Kennedy and finally becomes the Jesus figure, above it all and our deliverer and savior. BULLLLLSHIT!

"A man heaars what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."

Iman, if you got out of Obama's words what you accuse him of above, you need to take a listening comprehension course. I listened, then I saw your post, so I listened again, and...

What you just wrote is bullshit. He didn't compare himself to anyone; all he did was quote things he holds in common with others.

You're so partisan, you're getting very, very blind.

King and Kennedy actually stood for something, they actually fought fights and had the wounds to prove it. Obama is a poseur, he has never tackled a tough issue or taken a controversial stance and has, in fact, avoided the tough calls. He has no chance of "bringing us together" and no chance of solving problems, unless he just plans to compromise at every turn.

That has some substance. Arguably, all that Obama has needed in his career is rhetoric. Yet that doesn't mean "he has no chance", it just means we don't know what sort of chance he has. Don't stretch things.'
Don't shortchange the power of a crusader, either: the 60s was made up of crusaders who got people fired up, and those people changed this country.

Did anyone notice how the Church President played to the congregations sense of victimhood by suggesting people opposed Afrocentrism? They ate it up.

Yeah. If that denomination elected that deceitful wet noodle to their presidency, I'm going to be sure to steer clear.

 

[iman]

Iman, if you got out of Obama's words what you accuse him of above, you need to take a listening comprehension course. I listened, then I saw your post, so I listened again, and...

In the year leading up to the invasion of Iraq, George Bush never actually said that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 or that Iraq was harboring Al Queda, but in polls taken after the war started it was determined that most Americans believed those things. It was the constant association by Bush and the people in his administration to link Iraq with 9/11 and Al Queda that misled the public into believing that Iraq, 9/11 and Al Queda were connscted.

Obama does the same thing by constantly invoking Dr. King and the Kennedys when talking about himself and invoking Bush, the past and racism when talking about Clinton. It works. Why else would he invoke the memory of King and Bobby Kennedy when talking about his political problems?

 

[seamusnewwest]

Huh?

"I would never vote for John McCain but he has a hell of a lot more integrity and decency than any of you Billary supporters crucifying Obama for something his Pastor said that he had nothing to do with. Well done John McCain. "

That kind of sweeping generalized statement is exactly the sort of nonsense that was in Rev. Wright's preaching. Who and what is a Billary? Is that a mysoginist way of dismissing the woman because of her association with her husband? Tell you what - you take the last several years of the Bush clan, I would LOVE to have the Bill Clinton years back. But, you know, I can't. Because, whether or not she is a mere woman, Hillary Clinton really is a seperate person from her husband. Try to get your mind wrapped around that.

On crucifying Obama ... you use the word crucify. Is Obama now to be compared to Jesus Christ himself? First he was the new Martin Luther King, the John F. Kennedy, then Robert Kennedy, and now he is himself the light of the crucifixion! Halleluja! Well, read my posts. I've supported Obama on this. Why? Because, I've extended to him what you apparently have not extended to Hillary Clinton - that Obama is his own person, not some surrogate.

What a bizarre post. Show a clip of Obama that is well-spoken and gracious, then display none of those same qualities. Figure it out mate, it's in your own posts. Look at FOX news and similar pundits and stop blaming Clinton, because if Obama wins the nomination, it isn't her he'll be facing in November, it's them. And they don't play quite so nice.

As for John McCain, he was there in that interview, and there will be more.

Remember what I said before.

John McCain = good cop.

FOX news and pundits = bad cop.

Oldest play in the book.
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[NickCole]

So, Obama compares his political problems to the martyrdom of Dr. King and then compares himself to Bobby Kennedy and finally becomes the Jesus figure, above it all and our deliverer and savior. BULLLLLSHIT!

King and Kennedy actually stood for something, they actually fought fights and had the wounds to prove it. Obama is a poseur, he has never tackled a tough issue or taken a controversial stance and has, in fact, avoided the tough calls. He has no chance of "bringing us together" and no chance of solving problems, unless he just plans to compromise at every turn.

He should be ashamed of himself for comparing his campaign to the great figures of the 20th century, but, if he is not ashamed of his con artist pastor, there is little chance that he will be ashamed of himself.

The only way to get anything accomplished in this country is to take a stand and fight for what one believes in. Obama shows no capacity or inclination to fight for anything.

Spot-on.


Unfortunately.

 

[chance1]

If Hillary becomes the nominee, Senator McCain will have a historic opportunity to reach out to the black community and other disgusted Obama supporters so he gains nothing by piling on at this time. Better for him to let all the racist frustration in the Hillary campaign bubble out and leave him smelling like a rose.

that is a cynical view of mccain and his intentions

perhaps

but i think it rather points to the type of man that he is - not talking about his positions on issues - rather his integrity

in a nutshell what he said about obama and the situation is ............

"when people support YOU, it doesn't mean YOU support everything THEY say"

BINGO

i don't think this is or should be a huge deal (for obama)

and i think mccain handled it the way u would think he would - with integrity

 

[chance1]

In the year leading up to the invasion of Iraq, George Bush never actually said that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 or that Iraq was harboring Al Queda, but in polls taken after the war started it was determined that most Americans believed those things. It was the constant association by Bush and the people in his administration to link Iraq with 9/11 and Al Queda that misled the public into believing that Iraq, 9/11 and Al Queda were connscted.

Obama does the same thing by constantly invoking Dr. King and the Kennedys when talking about himself and invoking Bush, the past and racism when talking about Clinton. It works. Why else would he invoke the memory of King and Bobby Kennedy when talking about his political problems?

so ur latest is obama is like gwb?

whatever

ur just an attack dog

grasping at straws

again

 

[JOUPER]

Why Did It Take So Long For This To Come Out To The American Public.Hillary Clinton Is Right ,The Media Has Given Obama A Free Ride For too Long!America Needs To Wake Up And Start Reading And Get The Scoop On The Real Issues Of This Campaign And Not Obama,s "RANTINGS"!I Have Voted Democrat In Every Election For The Past 20 Years But If "OBAMA" Is The Candidate I Will Surely Vote For McCain.White Obama Supporters Need To Start Reading Before They Put Their Support Behind This Hipocrit,He Must Not Be President!

 

[nassum]

It is ridiculous to vote for McCain just because your first choice isn't the nominee. That's like turning to va jay jay just because you got shot down by a crush. It makes no friggin sense!

 

[JOUPER]

You Make No Sense,John McCain Has Proven Himself As A True American Hero,Many Think He Will Asked South Carolina Senator LINDSAY GRAHAM To Be His Vice President.Graham Is Known As A Moderate Republican Who Has Done Many Great Things.McCain Would Surely Do More Good Than BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA,Who Will He Asked To Be Vice?He Already Said He Doesn,t Want Hillary.Maybe He Will Asked That Bigot Minister Of His Good Match!

 

[nassum]

You Make No Sense,John McCain Has Proven Himself As A True American Hero,Many Think He Will Asked South Carolina Senator LINDSAY GRAHAM To Be His Vice President.Graham Is Known As A Moderate Republican Who Has Done Many Great Things.McCain Would Surely Do More Good Than BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA,Who Will He Asked To Be Vice?He Already Said He Doesn,t Want Hillary.Maybe He Will Asked That Bigot Minister Of His Good Match!

Aside from the fact that he's quite a leap from Hillary, considering how some of his positions are:

1) Hating "Gooks"
2) Wanting to keep Don't Ask Don't Tell
3) Against Gay marriages
4) Wants to continue the war on iraq
5) Wants to overturn Roe V. Wade
6) Against Universe Health Care
and many more

 

[JOUPER]

I Would Rather Support Someone Who Is Homophobic Than Someone who is Close Friends,Yes "CLOSE FRIENDS FOR MANY YEARS'With A Minister Who Preaches Hate And Bigotry And Makes Statements Like America Brought 911 On Themselves And Almost Goes To The point Of saying Desrves It.I May Be Gay But I ,Am Also A White American And I,Am Ashamed And Offended By The Way White Americans Have Given This Hipocrit BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA A Free Ride.I Only Hope He Is Made To Face This And Not Sweep It Under The Rug!

 

[LaloGS]

Two things:
I thought Obama was nearly incoherent as he stumbled for words in his 360 interview. His denials of knowing what Wright was saying, apparently over several years in his pulpit, rang hollow and unconvincing. While I have liked what he has had to say about the problems we face, I'm cautious about this situation.

And regarding McCain: He has in the past had depth and honesty and my respect, but as he has been running for the White House, I've seen his depth and honesty slip away like a snake shedding his skin. The fact that he would continue nearly all if not all of Bush's policies, raises a RED flag in my mind. We just can't afford even 4 more years of this disastrous kind of thinking. McCain will do that, no matter how moderate he has been, because, he wants the power now. The wrong reason to be running in my opinion. He lacks a basic understanding of what has happened to the country and what needs to be done. If he is elected, he will bring us down further than we are at present, because in order to distinguish himself from Bush, he will have to do worse things in the wars, and he will not be able to reverse the economic trends we are facing by forcing us further into debt with war spending.

We are between a rock and a hard place this election cycle, and we need more information than we are getting from all of the candidates. It's time to start treating this cycle as our only chance for salvation, and not like the sports bar contest it has become.

 

[JayHawk]

Huh?

"I would never vote for John McCain but he has a hell of a lot more integrity and decency than any of you Billary supporters crucifying Obama for something his Pastor said that he had nothing to do with. Well done John McCain. "

That kind of sweeping generalized statement is exactly the sort of nonsense that was in Rev. Wright's preaching. Who and what is a Billary? Is that a mysoginist way of dismissing the woman because of her association with her husband? Tell you what - you take the last several years of the Bush clan, I would LOVE to have the Bill Clinton years back. But, you know, I can't. Because, whether or not she is a mere woman, Hillary Clinton really is a seperate person from her husband. Try to get your mind wrapped around that.

On crucifying Obama ... you use the word crucify. Is Obama now to be compared to Jesus Christ himself? First he was the new Martin Luther King, the John F. Kennedy, then Robert Kennedy, and now he is himself the light of the crucifixion! Halleluja! Well, read my posts. I've supported Obama on this. Why? Because, I've extended to him what you apparently have not extended to Hillary Clinton - that Obama is his own person, not some surrogate.

What a bizarre post. Show a clip of Obama that is well-spoken and gracious, then display none of those same qualities. Figure it out mate, it's in your own posts. Look at FOX news and similar pundits and stop blaming Clinton, because if Obama wins the nomination, it isn't her he'll be facing in November, it's them. And they don't play quite so nice.

As for John McCain, he was there in that interview, and there will be more.

Remember what I said before.

John McCain = good cop.

FOX news and pundits = bad cop.

Oldest play in the book.
.
.
.

Why do you have a dog in the fight.......Mate?

 

[JayHawk]

King and Kennedy actually stood for something, they actually fought fights and had the wounds to prove it. Obama is a poseur, he has never tackled a tough issue or taken a controversial stance and has, in fact, avoided the tough calls. He has no chance of "bringing us together" and no chance of solving problems, unless he just plans to compromise at every turn.

I will not argue that MLK fought for what he believed in but please tell me exactly what JFK did prior to being President?
- Lets see he grew up with a silver spoon jammed up his ass.

- Then he went off to war just like the rest of his generation but only because of the influence of his daddy. He is physically incapable of serving otherwie (so wait Obama should have done a tour of duty. Shit I guarantee the libs here will hate the Iraq war candidate when he eventually emerges),

- Because of that tour he was politically made into a war hero...........(During his presidency, Kennedy privately admitted to friends that he didn't feel that he deserved the medals he had received, because the PT-109 incident had been the result of a botched military operation that had cost the lives of two members of his crew.)

- As a senator John F. Kennedy voted for final passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1957 after having earlier voted for the "Jury Trial Amendment", which effectively rendered the Act toothless because convictions for violations could not be obtained. (so he pandered to both sides)

- As President he allowed the absolutely botched Bay of Pigs invasion occur. Thats almost as shitt as Jimmy Cartr's Iran ostagerscue attempt.

- He sent 16,000 miliatary "advisors" and special forces to vietnam. We all know how that ended up.

I would say all in all for as many things people loved about Kennedy, he made a whole bunch of shitty decisions. Talented orator, writer and a charming person to be sure. But that doesnt make a president or a senator or even a lieutenant.

 

[iman]

^There is no question that JFK made some dreadful mistakes like the Bay of Pigs. His poor judgement in the early years of his Presidency is one of the things makes me hesitant about a Obama Presidency, given Obama's inexperience.

What I was thinking of when I mentioned JFK was his associating the Presidency with the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement was detested in the south and controversial in the north. No President prior to JFK had ever thrown the power and prestige of the Presidency behind an African American movement and JFK paid a serious political price for doing so.

It was the JFK legacy that allowed Johnson to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill and pursue the war on poverty.

 

[JackFTwist]

^There is no question that JFK made some dreadful mistakes like the Bay of Pigs. His poor judgement in the early years of his Presidency is one of the things makes me hesitant about a Obama Presidency, given Obama's inexperience.

What I was thinking of when I mentioned JFK was his associating the Presidency with the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement was detested in the south and controversial in the north. No President prior to JFK had ever thrown the power and prestige of the Presidency behind an African American movement and JFK paid a serious political price for doing so.

It was the JFK legacy that allowed Johnson to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill and pursue the war on poverty.

JFK's mistake on the Bay of Pigs was in not stopping what the Eisenhower administration had planned. There is nothing in JFK's world view that would have allowed him to overrule that which the CIA had made a case for.

JFK could be rather aloof from the civil rights movement. He was not around for the 1963 March on Washington. He was cautious in favor but it is not as if he had invested his administration in the struggle.

And you perhaps have forgotten that it was Eisenhower who used federal authority, in his case, Little Rock. The JFK legacy that assisted passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Bill was his assassination. That was a key factor, along with Johnson's knowledge of the Senate and Dirksen's decision to support the Civil Rights Act, that got it through the Senate.