Obama on Rev. Jeremiah Wright

[nassum]

The difference between whites and blacks is VERY OBVIOUS on this board.
All I'm going to say is there was some truth to Wright's "sermon", Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it is like to grow up as a black male in America or to be called a nigger.

Carry on. One has to love the some other website on this board over hearing something that has some truth to it.

I'm Asian and I don't care about your petty Black/White issues.

 

[construct]

The difference between whites and blacks is VERY OBVIOUS on this board.
All I'm going to say is there was some truth to Wright's "sermon", Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it is like to grow up as a black male in America or to be called a nigger.

Carry on. One has to love the some other website on this board over hearing something that has some truth to it.

Thank you. Finally, someone sees some value in Rev. Wright's ministry.

Tierra, I don't think we've met. Please allow me to introduce myself. (Imagine a sorta skinny middle-aged white guy with thinning hair. ) It's good to meet you.

 

[TierraSimms]

I'm Asian and I don't care about your petty Black/White issues.

And I'm multiracial (White, Black, and Latino) and I don't care about your issues with my take on the issue at hand!

 

[nassum]

The difference between whites and blacks is VERY OBVIOUS on this board.
All I'm going to say is there was some truth to Wright's "sermon", Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it is like to grow up as a black male in America or to be called a nigger.

Carry on. One has to love the some other website on this board over hearing something that has some truth to it.

Thank you. Finally, someone sees some value in Rev. Wright's ministry.

Tierra, I don't think we've met. Please allow me to introduce myself. (Imagine a sorta skinny middle-aged white guy with thinning hair. ) It's good to meet you.

And I'm multiracial (White, Black, and Latino) and I don't care about your issues with my take on the issue at hand!

Why should it matter? Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it's like to grow up as a black man, or a black woman, or a white man, or an asian man/woman, or a hispanic man/woman or anything in between. It's only an issue because you're making it an issue. They are individuals, it's a stupid argument.

Of course there still racial tensions in this country, but if you're continuing to make it an issue and create this blame game it's just as bad.

 

[TierraSimms]

Thank you. Finally, someone sees some value in Rev. Wright's ministry.

Tierra, I don't think we've met. Please allow me to introduce myself. (Imagine a sorta skinny middle-aged white guy with thinning hair. ) It's good to meet you.

Thank you, back.

The problem with America's issues involving race is that they don't want to hear stuff especially if involves some truth. Was Wright's "sermon" all true? No, but he did have a point within that demogagory he spoken. Most white Americans unless they have a biracial sibling or child or is married or partnered with a black American doesn't know what it is like to deal with "being black". One faces looks a number of things that difficult to explain simply because of their phenotype. There are numbers to prove that blacks systematically are penalize more frequently and harshly for drug crimes and have to go through 2x as many hurdles as white to just get a loan to purchase a home. There is even more to elaborate upon, but it would be off topic, but some on this board fail to realize that there was some truth to what he was saying that "Being black in America" isn't something you will understand unless you experience it first hand or through a close/intimate love one.

 

[NickCole]

The difference between whites and blacks is VERY OBVIOUS on this board.
All I'm going to say is there was some truth to Wright's "sermon", Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it is like to grow up as a black male in America or to be called a nigger.

Yes it's truth. At the least it's his truth. And that has value.

As I've said before I respect Wright for his forthright honesty.

My problem is with Obama who chose to be influenced by Wright for 20 years and now when it's politically inconvenient to be associated with what Wright preaches, disavows it. I would trust Reverend Wright to be true to his word without question. I wouldn't trust Barack Obama as far as I could throw him.

Oh, and Obama doesn't know what it's like to be a woman in America. Or gay. Or to grow up in abject poverty. Or to be physically unattractive.

Being black is a potent identifier but there are many identifiers living in Americans, and despite Obama's effort in his speech to present himself as having a little bit of everyone in him, he does not.

Carry on. One has to love the some other website on this board over hearing something that has some truth to it.

If one had taken Obama's supposed message to heart, one would be trying to use the differences expressed to diffuse the anger and bring people together. But that's not what Obama inspires. Obama inspires some other website.

 

[Lostlover]

Why should it matter? Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it's like to grow up as a black man, or a black woman, or a white man, or an asian man/woman, or a hispanic man/woman or anything in between. It's only an issue because you're making it an issue. They are individuals, it's a stupid argument.

Of course there still racial tensions in this country, but if you're continuing to make it an issue and create this blame game it's just as bad.

If it doesn't matter to you then why make a post?

 

[NickCole]

I also agree with Corny here...vote for Clinton, you're seen as a racist. Vote for Obama, you're seen as a sexist. It's a no-win situation.

You care too much about what people think of you. Or how "you're seen."

Be true to yourself. Use your moral compass and all the information you can gather to do what you decide is the right thing to do. That's always a win situation.

 

[TierraSimms]

Why should it matter? Hillary Clinton doesn't know what it's like to grow up as a black man, or a black woman, or a white man, or an asian man/woman, or a hispanic man/woman or anything in between. It's only an issue because you're making it an issue. They are individuals, it's a stupid argument.

Of course there still racial tensions in this country, but if you're continuing to make it an issue and create this blame game it's just as bad.

I'm not making it an issue, all I doing is stating the truth. If you have a problem with then that is just you and your ignorance with that issue.

 

[NickCole]

Here’s the Obama Insight We Really Wanted to Hear About Rev. Wright



“PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, THAT ANYTHING YOU HEAR IN A CHURCH … SHOULDN’T BE TAKEN TOO SERIOUSLY.”

Maybe everybody knows this but I think it should be made clear that Barack Obama didn't really say that.

 

[NickCole]

This isn't about me. This is about Wright and the "race" issues in this campaign. I really don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about me. If I did, I'd be hiding behind a pretty avatar. Let's just leave me out and let's stick to the topic and politics dude.

Um ... dude ... that pic you use of yourself in your avatar is of a man who hopes people will think he's pretty.

 

[construct]

Thank you, Tierra and Elvin for saying what needs to be said, each in your own way and recognizing the tension between your two statements.

Clearly Rev. Wright's oft-quoted remarks are not merely offensive but incendiary! And I'm sure that was his goal. And it has gotten people to talking about some of the injustices in our national life. Some of those injustices--many of them even--are grounded in racial differences. Racial differences are not only color differences but cultural differences as well--differences that come from group identification leading to and reflecting common experiences and obstacles. (This is similar to the shared culture of gay life in America.)

What has been refreshing about the Obama campaign is that it has expressly recognized the common challenges and given voice to the shared aspirations of the people. That is what we should be dwelling on and striving toward rather than nursing the wounds of the past. Our shared future does not deny past injustices, but it seeks to move beyond them to a better society. That approach is completely consistent with Democratic values. It is the message we must camp out on if we are to win this election in the Fall.

 

[nassum]

If it doesn't matter to you then why make a post?

Okay, you got me. I do care. I feel that it is such a stupid issue that people are hung up on and it annoys me to ends.

 

[TierraSimms]

Yes it's truth. At the least it's his truth. And that has value.

As I've said before I respect Wright for his forthright honesty.

My problem is with Obama who chose to be influenced by Wright for 20 years and now when it's politically inconvenient to be associated with what Wright preaches, disavows it. I would trust Reverend Wright to be true to his word without question. I wouldn't trust Barack Obama as far as I could throw him.

It is a double edge sword involving Wright, and I agree that is odd that he spoken what he spoken when it is politically inconvienent. However, Wright must have been a good pastor and must have spoken the word in such way that touch and Obama felt for him to stay as long. The "trustworthy" can be said about Hillary Clinton, but that is moot point.

Oh, and Obama doesn't know what it's like to be a woman in America. Or gay. Or to grow up in abject poverty. Or to be physically unattractive.

Being black is a potent identifier but there are many identifiers living in Americans, and despite Obama's effort in his speech to present himself as having a little bit of everyone in him, he does not.

You are right Obama doesn't know what is like to be a woman or gay. We all have identifiers that the ethnic ones are more prominent than others due to the fact one can not change nor hide their skin color. If one choses to just be seen and identified as person by just those "identifers" then you are a lost cause.

He has chosen to campaign not as a "black candidate" as the media and even the Clinton camp have tried to paint him as.
Because he is not just black, he is a biracial American of both white and black heritage. So he does have a quite a bit of "all of us" in him because he is a product of both.

If one had taken Obama's supposed message to heart, one would be trying to use the differences expressed to diffuse the anger and bring people together. But that's not what Obama inspires. Obama inspires some other website.

The same can be said about Hillary Clinton. And you are basically trying to connotate that what my words are the word of Obama. WOW, WOW, WOW! I guess in your eyes anybody that is supporter of Obama and said something you didn't like are the "words of Obama". Something is horribly wrong with your conceptual processing if you really believe that.

 

[Lostlover]

Okay, you got me. I do care. I feel that it is such a stupid issue that people are hung up on and it annoys me to ends.

I don't know how many threads I have seen on here by Asians with the whole "pity me" routine.

Now I finally meet one who's annoyed by all the complaining.

Please go into the ethnic threads forum and tell all the Asians there to stop making posts about not being able to get a non-Asian mate because they don't want to date their own kind.

That's where you could be useful for because all the moaning is cluttering that board section.

Clean up your own backyard first before you become dismissive of racial issues OTHER ethnicities might be experiencing.

 

[NickCole]

It is a double edge sword involving Wright, and I agree that is odd that he spoken what he spoken when it is politically inconvienent. However, Wright must have been a good pastor and must have spoken the word in such way that touch and Obama felt for him to stay as long. The "trustworthy" can be said about Hillary Clinton, but that is moot point.

Wright was a good pastor for Obama, or he wouldn't have stayed 20 years. Yes.

And that's the point. Voters are reasonably concerned (or pleased) that Wright's sentiments are living in Obama's thoughts and agenda, which is bolstered by Mrs. Obama's comments.

I think Obama could help heal this nation where race is concerned. I really do. But he's not ready. He's still too conflicted, not yet fully his own man. He has pieces of his white mother who left him with her parents while she went off on her free-spirited (and frankly irresponsible as a mother) life, pieces of his black father who abandoned him (not literally but that's how it feels to children of divorce), his grandfather who was apparently white-outraged at his wife's fear of black aggressors, his grandmother who provided the security he needed but also feared black men and that's a part of who he was/is. He has pieces of Reverend Wright in him and pieces of Rezko, and of Michelle and all his other experiences. He hasn't yet integrated them into a single man's convictions, and that makes him not yet ready to be President. He's just not ready.

Hillary Clinton is ready. Is she perfect? My god no. But nobody is. And she is ready to be President. She's worked through all that conflict-of-life stuff that Obama needs another good ten years to deal with.

You are right Obama doesn't know what is like to be a woman or gay. We all have identifiers that the ethnic ones are more prominent than others due to the fact one can not change nor hide their skin color.

Well the ethnic ones are more prominent to blacks and Latinos and Asians in America, but not to whites. We forget we're white and so other identifiers are more prominent. All identifiers are prominent if it's an identifer you wear. Of course, some identifiers are more of a burden and some are more of a privilege, and being black generally belongs in the more of a burden column -- but Ferraro was right that in this specific situation Obama has, up to when she said it anyway, benefitted from being black; that's now become a mixed-bag, and would become even more so if he's the nominee in the general election.

He has chosen to campaign not as a "black candidate" as the media and even the Clinton camp have tried to paint him as. Because he is not just black, he is a biracial American of both white and black heritage. So he does have a quite a bit of "all of us" in him because he is a product of both.

Neither the media nor the Clinton camp has tried to paint Obama as the black candidate. We all see his color, and the southern-esque-black accent he's adopted despite growing up in Hawaii and living his adult life in Chicago adds to it (just like we're reminded Oprah is black when she goes into ghetto-Oprah-speak), but he's done it much much more than the media or anybody in the Clinton campaign.

As to being biracial, we both know that that reads black in America. Probably a majority of "blacks" are mixed race by now. Still, if you look African-American, you're black. That's America even today. That's what white people see and process and that's part of what blacks resent (while at the same time maintaining a social order of light-skinned versus dark-skinned). Isn't it a shame that Barack Obama didn't address that?

 

[nassum]

I don't know how many threads I have seen on here by Asians with the whole "pity me" routine.

Now I finally meet one who's annoyed by all the complaining.

Please go into the ethnic threads forum and tell all the Asians there to stop making posts about not being able to get a non-Asian mate because they don't want to date their own kind.

That's where you could be useful for because all the moaning is cluttering that board section.

Clean up your own backyard first before you become dismissive of racial issues OTHER ethnicities might be experiencing.

That's a little inappropriate and irrelevant, but okay.

People put too much time and effort into race and gender. It is pretty foolish to waste that much time and energy on these distractions from the issues.

If an individual wants to get hung up over race and ethnicity over a mate, it's their personal issue that they have to deal with, but when we spend that much time over these non-issues in a presidential campaign it's quite appalling.

 

[NickCole]

I don't know how many threads I have seen on here by Asians with the whole "pity me" routine.

Now I finally meet one who's annoyed by all the complaining.

Please go into the ethnic threads forum and tell all the Asians there to stop making posts about not being able to get a non-Asian mate because they don't want to date their own kind.

That's where you could be useful for because all the moaning is cluttering that board section.

Clean up your own backyard first before you become dismissive of racial issues OTHER ethnicities might be experiencing.

You sure are mean-spirited.

You talk about the older generation and how horrible we are about race but you personalize it in a really demeaning way.

This is what Barack Obama is attracting? I really do hope he doesn't win because it will not be good for our nation.

 

[Lostlover]

That's a little inappropriate and irrelevant, but okay.

People put too much time and effort into race and gender. It is pretty foolish to waste that much time and energy on these distractions from the issues.

If an individual wants to get hung up over race and ethnicity over a mate, it's their personal issue that they have to deal with, but when we spend that much time over these non-issues in a presidential campaign it's quite appalling.

You just said it's their personal issue, but they can't talk about it during the presidential campaign.

Whatever Dictator Nassum.

Are you going to go into the ethnic forums now? If you want I can private message you all the relevant "I'm Asian and I can't get a non-Asian mate" or the "Why don't other ethnicities pay attention to Asians" or the "Hollywood hates Asian men" threads. You need to go clean them out since you try to be above all racial inclinations.

 

[nassum]

You just said it's their personal issue, but they can't talk about it during the presidential campaign.

Whatever Dictator Nassum.

Are you going to go into the ethnic forums now? If you want I can private message you all the relevant "I'm Asian and I can't get a non-Asian mate" or the "Why don't other ethnicities pay attention to Asians" or the "Hollywood hates Asian men" threads. You need to go clean them out since you try to be above all racial inclinations.

To put a little perspective into place, an individual's ethnic and racial preferences in choosing a mate affects only himself/herself (and possibly the mate). A nation's focus on a presidential candidate's race rather than the issues affect the nation.