Obama on Rev. Jeremiah Wright

[TierraSimms]

Wright was a good pastor for Obama, or he wouldn't have stayed 20 years. Yes.

And that's the point. Voters are reasonably concerned (or pleased) that Wright's sentiments are living in Obama's thoughts and agenda, which is bolstered by Mrs. Obama's comments.

I think Obama could help heal this nation where race is concerned. I really do. But he's not ready. He's still too conflicted, not yet fully his own man. He has pieces of his white mother who left him with her parents while she went off on her free-spirited (and frankly irresponsible as a mother) life, pieces of his black father who abandoned him (not literally but that's how it feels to children of divorce), his grandfather who was apparently white-outraged at his wife's fear of black aggressors, his grandmother who provided the security he needed but also feared black men and that's a part of who he was/is. He has pieces of Reverend Wright in him and pieces of Rezko, and of Michelle and all his other experiences. He hasn't yet integrated them into a single man's convictions, and that makes him not yet ready to be President. He's just not ready.

I will have to disagree with you on this, and we will have to agree to disagree

Hillary Clinton is ready. Is she perfect? My god no. But nobody is. And she is ready to be President. She's worked through all that conflict-of-life stuff that Obama needs another good ten years to deal with.

That is YOUR OPINION. I don't think Hillary Clinton will every be ready to be president because she know how to take a clear stance on on issues without nagging at others, or properly managing a campaign w/o nearly running out of money. That is my opinion on Hillary Clinton, THE END.

Well the ethnic ones are more prominent to blacks and Latinos and Asians in America, but not to whites. We forget we're white and so other identifiers are more prominent. All identifiers are prominent if it's an identifer you wear. Of course, some identifiers are more of a burden and some are more of a privilege, and being black generally belongs in the more of a burden column -- but Ferraro was right that in this specific situation Obama has, up to when she said it anyway, benefitted from being black; that's now become a mixed-bag, and would become even more so if he's the nominee in the general election.




Neither the media nor the Clinton camp has tried to paint Obama as the black candidate. We all see his color, and the southern-esque-black accent he's adopted despite growing up in Hawaii and living his adult life in Chicago adds to it (just like we're reminded Oprah is black when she goes into ghetto-Oprah-speak), but he's done it much much more than the media or anybody in the Clinton campaign.

As to being biracial, we both know that that reads black in America. Probably a majority of "blacks" are mixed race by now. Still, if you look African-American, you're black. That's America even today. That's what white people see and process and that's part of what blacks resent (while at the same time maintaining a social order of light-skinned versus dark-skinned). Isn't it a shame that Barack Obama didn't address that?

Nick, just by reading this part of your post it is obvious you clearly don't understand what I said especially about being an ethnic minority. Being an ethnic minority is clearly different from being sexual minority because one is an outer apperance on can't hide and the other is more of a personal matter that is not as obvious. You obviously don't know really much about being black in America especially because blacks don't have a "light-skinned versus dark-skinned" social order. It is very obvious that you don't know much about blacks or other ethnic minorities for that matter.

 

[Lostlover]

To put a little perspective into place, an individual's ethnic and racial preferences in choosing a mate affects only himself/herself (and possibly the mate). A nation's focus on a presidential candidate's race rather than the issues affect the nation.

LMAO, whatever dude. That's for you and no one else.

All these twisted explanations for being dismissive of race are backwards.


You

can

start ^^^ for all the Asian race threads. Mods deleted the "Do Asians Have a Chance" thread that is a JUB classic thread. It went on for well over 150 posts and over several months.

I've never seen anything sadder than those threads, wait, the telling some 19 year old to have sex with and HIV+ person he's interested in because "love conquers all'.

But my point is, don't be so dismissive of others' experience just because you can't relate.

Came back to bite you in the butt, eh?

 

[nassum]

LMAO, whatever dude. That's for you and no one else.

All these twisted explanations for being dismissive of race are backwards.


You

can

start ^^^ for all the Asian race threads. Mods deleted the "Do Asians Have a Chance" thread that is a JUB classic thread. It went on for well over 150 posts and over several months.

I've never seen anything sadder than those threads, wait, the telling some 19 year old to have sex with and HIV+ person he's interested in because "love conquers all'.

But my point is, don't be so dismissive of others' experience just because you can't relate.

Came back to bite you in the butt, eh?

Don't quite get how you got your point across, or hot it came back to bite me in the butt, but okay.

 

[NickCole]

That is my opinion on Hillary Clinton, THE END.

Yep. That's an Obama supporter.

It is impossible to have a dialogue about race or anything else with people who shut off conversation like that.

No matter what he claims in his speech, this is the truth, the reality, of what Obama inspires.

So good-bye Tierra. Good luck with that isolation you protect so fiercely.

 

[NickCole]

I've never seen anything sadder than those threads, wait, the telling some 19 year old to have sex with and HIV+ person he's interested in because "love conquers all'.

I don't know the post you're referring to or its context but since this is a gay forum with a lot of sexually active gay men reading, I'll add two cents to this.

I've been sexual with several HIV+ men over the years and I'm HIV-.

It's not difficult having safe sex if you know what you're doing.

If you don't assume every new sexual encounter could be with a man infected with HIV or another STD you're behaving foolishly. I've known men who do not tell new sex partners they have genital warts (which is still present and contageous even if warts are no longer noticable) or HIV. It's a disgusting breach of decency and morality, but there are some men, even good looking, charming, desirable men you'll want very much to believe, who are not trustworthy.

Enjoy sex, be responsible for yourself, and keep yourself safe.

 

[Lostlover]

I don't know the post you're referring to or its context but since this is a gay forum with a lot of sexually active gay men reading, I'll add two cents to this.

I've been sexual with several HIV+ men over the years and I'm HIV-.

It's not difficult having safe sex if you know what you're doing.

It's not surprising, you're an avid die hard Hillary Clinton supporter.

If you want to throw away your life, that is your right. But to tell a 19 year old to have free sex with an HIV+ is flat out wrong.

If you were a doctor offering that kind of witchcraft, you'd have your license revoked and hopefully looking at jail time.

 

[NickCole]

Rodham supporters do the same thing.

Ah, you see, Hillary's supporters support her because of her policies and plans and experience.

Obama's supporters say he's inspiring hope and unity and change. But Obama's supporters don't do anything to bring about unity or change. One can only conclude he's inspiring what they're doing, which is attack or slink away.

 

[NickCole]

It's not surprising, you're an avid die hard Hillary Clinton supporter.

If you want to throw away your life, that is your right. But to tell a 19 year old to have free sex with an HIV+ is flat out wrong.

If you were a doctor offering that kind of witchcraft, you'd have your license revoked and hopefully looking at jail time.

You're wrong.

And you cut off the rest of my post that explains what I meant.

That's dishonest.

I said this -- and any decent doctor will tell you the same:


If you don't assume every new sexual encounter could be with a man infected with HIV or another STD you're behaving foolishly. I've known men who do not tell new sex partners they have genital warts (which is still present and contageous even if warts are no longer noticable) or HIV. It's a disgusting breach of decency and morality, but there are some men, even good looking, charming, desirable men you'll want very much to believe, who are not trustworthy.

Enjoy sex, be responsible for yourself, and keep yourself safe.

 

[nassum]

It's not surprising, you're an avid die hard Hillary Clinton supporter.

If you want to throw away your life, that is your right. But to tell a 19 year old to have free sex with an HIV+ is flat out wrong.

If you were a doctor offering that kind of witchcraft, you'd have your license revoked and hopefully looking at jail time.

What does being a Clinton supporter have to do with AIDS/HIV?

 

[NickCole]

What does being a Clinton supporter have to do with AIDS/HIV?

You didn't know?

We're everything that's evil in the world.

 

[spiderhead]

I personally really don't understand the Hillary Clinton appeal. She does every shady thing she can to win this election. SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR! Why isn't that a bigger issue here. The war is one of the main reason our economy sucks right now. $12 billion a month. Hillary voted for a war that has cost $500 billion so far with an inevitable $1 trillion and possibly $2 trillion in total sums lost. Not to mention 3,000 dead americans and probably countless others who are wounded is definitely not worth trying and failing to spread the ideals of democracy in another country.

She also, to my knowledge, has never addressed the issue of outsourcing jobs. I work on a computer for a living. This is a job that can easily be handed off to a Korean which concerns me quite a bit. Everyone seems to be concerned with illegal mexicans taking our jobs but I've never seen one in a nice salary position or in a corporate building. Outsourcing to other countries is where all the good jobs go.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thank you. Finally, someone sees some value in Rev. Wright's ministry.

I don't think I've seen anyone post that there isn't.

The problem with America's issues involving race is that they don't want to hear stuff especially if involves some truth. Was Wright's "sermon" all true? No, but he did have a point within that demogagory he spoken. Most white Americans unless they have a biracial sibling or child or is married or partnered with a black American doesn't know what it is like to deal with "being black". One faces looks a number of things that difficult to explain simply because of their phenotype. There are numbers to prove that blacks systematically are penalize more frequently and harshly for drug crimes and have to go through 2x as many hurdles as white to just get a loan to purchase a home. There is even more to elaborate upon, but it would be off topic, but some on this board fail to realize that there was some truth to what he was saying that "Being black in America" isn't something you will understand unless you experience it first hand or through a close/intimate love one.

Yet by his use of that demagoguery he virtually guaranteed that almost no one at all would hear him. In fact, he guaranteed that even his audience wasn't hearing anything worthwhile, because all he was doing was setting up an "us vs. them" dichotomy.
But it's possible to grasp what being black in America without being black, because it isn't about black, it's about being identifiably different by your skin color and treated worse because of it -- which as I've pointed out, I went through by living in a neighborhood where my roommates and I were the only non-blacks in a substantial radius.

Yes it's truth. At the least it's his truth. And that has value.

"His truth".
Well, it's many people's truth that Hillary is a lying, deceptive, conniving, manipulative bitch. That has value, too, right?

As I've said before I respect Wright for his forthright honesty.

Even when he's using lies to make a hateful point -- gotcha.

If one had taken Obama's supposed message to heart, one would be trying to use the differences expressed to diffuse the anger and bring people together. But that's not what Obama inspires. Obama inspires some other website.

You keep saying that. Repetition doesn't make it true.
Oh, wait -- I get it; it's "your truth", and that has some value.
Well, my truth is that Hillary inspires distrust, suspicion, hatred, and division.

Be true to yourself. Use your moral compass and all the information you can gather to do what you decide is the right thing to do. That's always a win situation.

My moral compass says Hillary can't be trusted in the White House, and the Democrats can't be trusted in control of the Senate.
How do I get a win here?

 

[TierraSimms]

I don't think I've seen anyone post that there isn't.



Yet by his use of that demagoguery he virtually guaranteed that almost no one at all would hear him. In fact, he guaranteed that even his audience wasn't hearing anything worthwhile, because all he was doing was setting up an "us vs. them" dichotomy.
But it's possible to grasp what being black in America without being black, because it isn't about black, it's about being identifiably different by your skin color and treated worse because of it -- which as I've pointed out, I went through by living in a neighborhood where my roommates and I were the only non-blacks in a substantial radius.

Kulindahr, I understand where you are coming from, but that is not the same thing as being black. You and your roomates were minorities in the situation, but that is more a social context. However, other aspects of this puzzle many don't realize such as I pointed out about economics such as the home mortages problem I mentioned, access to a decent education, drug laws in addition to the social context of discrimination. No one cannot deny why most black males don't finish college, or why so many prisons are filled with more black males than any other group. That is why I say unless one has black or half-black person in their family or as an intimate partner it is almost impossible for a non-black person to grasp the full context of this problem. Racism in America isn't as overt as it used to be, but rather more covert and systematic.