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Obama Orders Pay Raise For Congress, Federal Workers, Joe Biden

chance1 said:
my perception was that you were rebutting the idea that fed workers did not need a raise
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I was responding to another member’s speculation about the cost of living in Atlanta. The idea interested me enough to find an answer and so I shared what I found. (Note the quote to which I responded.)

I merely added the Washington Post link, without including any quote, as a supplement to the discussion. It is germane, because it specifically announces the President’s intention (back in October) – prior to the General Election. Of course, there are other elements in the article that have the effect of exploring both sides of the issue. You are welcome to use it as a resource, or ignore it.
 
On a completely unrelated note... Happy New Year Opi and tell Swervy too... no wonder he likes visiting here on his way through... apparently I am your twin.. :p

All kidding aside Cheers to a very Happy New Year
 
@ Jack - people who are at a job, let's say any job, including in the private sector, should get no raise this year and should have gotten no raise the last 3 years, no matter what, because the economy is bad? The economy isn't bad because of Federal employees who were just doing their job btw and have done so for 3 years without a raise.

chance1 said:
So sad

I read a piece on the HUFFINGTON POST

And posted it

Have u read Huff Po ?

If u did you'd know how they lean

Try to get a grip
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Tell you what-- learn to defend lazy blame Obama fests you make when called upon to do so, and we'll have a deal. I'll "get a grip." Fair exchange.
 
Congressmen & Senators will be making the same amount @ $174,900

Boehner will be making $224,600

Canter will be making $194,400

Joe DaBiden will be making $231,900

I always thought Senators made more than the House of Reps..? I didnt know Leaders of Congress make different amounts...I thought it was just a Privilege to be voted in by your peers as House Speaker or Majority Leader, but I see it's like any other Federal Job..More Power, more money...
 
xbuzzerx said:
Yes, I think a raise to Federal employees who haven't had a raise in 3 years is a good thing.

You falsely presented this as only Congress and the President paying themselves more. And CE&P is bright enough to figure that out. Try again.
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2 years, actually. 3 years for congress. (congress' should have been frozen for the next four years)

Also, the freeze didn't prevent 'paper promotions', as in federal employees being 'promoted' without actually being promoted or having any new responsibilities. I know this, because my older sister works for the GAO, and got 'promoted', which involved a salary increase but no new responsibilities.
 
What was the % inflation, that is what will determine if if it was a real pay increase or not
 
"Your twin"???????????????????????????
 
palbert said:
The Congressional pay raises are "prevented" in the Senate bill:



http://news.yahoo.com/senate-approves-fiscal-cliff-deal-064059782.html
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Holy crap so the people in charge of allocating the money for this nation chose to do the right thing.... will wonders never cease.

i guess they figure they will leave washington as multi millionaires if they stay long enough so why go and get a small raise and mess that up?

Still the 'optics' (<< newest media buzzword) ....yeah the optics look good.
 
To be honest i have no idea for the GSA folks but the military is promoting just like clockwork. I cant imagine the GSA would allow them to stifle all promotion. They wouldnt be able to fill positions... GSA is typically who you know kinda thing and a regular worker simply doesnt 'jump' into the fray at a high GSA rank... so all positions are typically filled across GSA first. Go take a look at JOBS USA... it has ever GS job but you will play hell getting any of them above a 5 to 7 right out of the gate.
 
loki81 said:
I actually feel bad for federal workers (the down-the-line guys, not the guys at the top)... does all the union/payscale stuff block merit raises?
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loki81, many get promotions which increases their salary -- but many on the bottom that do manual work don't.
 
So actually being a government worker, I welcome this news for federal employees. For the past 3 years, I've seen the cost of everything I have to spend money on go up while my pay has not adjusted accordingly. I work with contractors that do what I do that get paid twice as much as me. Yes, we have good benefits, but it equals out in the end because of the lesser take home pay. It really upsets me when people demonize the federal workforce. We're mostly middle class families that pay taxes, pay for our own healthcare, shop in our local communities. It just so happens our employer is the government instead of a private corporation. The only reason this applies to Congress is because they tied their pay to the COLA for federal employees. Only Congress can set their salary and pay situation. It sucks they're getting the raises as well, but to set your opinion of all federal workers based on the performance of Congress is making an inaccurate and misinformed opinion.
 
JB3 said:
2 years, actually. 3 years for congress. (congress' should have been frozen for the next four years)

Also, the freeze didn't prevent 'paper promotions', as in federal employees being 'promoted' without actually being promoted or having any new responsibilities. I know this, because my older sister works for the GAO, and got 'promoted', which involved a salary increase but no new responsibilities.
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This was something they obviously had to do to keep qualified people who were losing income due to inflation. And that's not a good thing. People who've done their job competently for 3 pushing 4 years deserve a raise to compensate for inflation at the very minimum.
 
JB3 said:
2 years, actually. 3 years for congress. (congress' should have been frozen for the next four years)

Also, the freeze didn't prevent 'paper promotions', as in federal employees being 'promoted' without actually being promoted or having any new responsibilities. I know this, because my older sister works for the GAO, and got 'promoted', which involved a salary increase but no new responsibilities.
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Promotions in government work differently than the private sector. In the private sector, they look at your performance and say "Hey, you've been doing a good job in your position. I'm going to promote you and give you more responsibility." In government, they look at your performance and say "Hey, you've been handling duties and responsibilities of a level higher than what you're currently in. We're going to promote you to bring you up to the pay level of that position." So in the private sector, you get paid more and given more responsibility. In the public sector, you have to do more and then they bring you up to that pay level. I've put in a promotion package every year for the past 12 years I've been working for the government and I've been promoted twice. It's a lot more competitive than people think and it's DEFINITELY not an automatic increase.
 
loki81 said:
I actually feel bad for federal workers (the down-the-line guys, not the guys at the top)... does all the union/payscale stuff block merit raises?
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You know, most private sector jobs don't hand out "merit" pay either. So I'm not sure why you have this obsession against unions and public sector jobs somehow needing this form of pay. People who work in public service, do it not for the incentive of getting rich, but to "provide a service" for the public. Believe it or not, people like what they do because they want to do it helping others. Teachers, for example, teach because it is their passion. It isn't about making more money than the other person next to you, and that's not why you took the job in the first place. Most public service employees are fine with a middle-class income with healthcare benefits that takes care of their family.
 
Just_Believe18 said:
You know, most private sector jobs don't hand out "merit" pay either. So I'm not sure why you have this obsession against unions and public sector jobs somehow needing this form of pay. People who work in public service, do it not for the incentive of getting rich, but to "provide a service" for the public. Believe it or not, people like what they do because they want to do it helping others. Teachers, for example, teach because it is their passion. It isn't about making more money than the other person next to you, and that's not why you took the job in the first place. Most public service employees are fine with a middle-class income with healthcare benefits that takes care of their family.
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That's exactly right. Everyone my age has pretty much learned that the only way you're going to get a raise in the private sector today is to switch jobs and get the increase you want when hired at the next one. Raises within a job tend to be = "oh we'll look at it in 9 months at the evaluation.." which more often than not is delayed or doesn't happen, or offers you a lot less than you should get. You can almost never expect outside of promotions to get any more money. If you wait years thinking it will happen you're usually kidding yourself.
 
xbuzzerx said:
That's exactly right. Everyone my age has pretty much learned that the only way you're going to get a raise in the private sector today is to switch jobs and get the increase you want when hired at the next one. Raises within a job tend to be = "oh we'll look at it in 9 months at the evaluation.." which more often than not is delayed or doesn't happen, or offers you a lot less than you should get. You can almost never expect outside of promotions to get any more money. If you wait years thinking it will happen you're usually kidding yourself.
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usually you're worth more to someone else - although if you're a producer with revenue attached to you, easier to make the case

but budgets are budgets - expense budgets and revenues separate and distinct

in my field, advertising, a good sales organization might not offer someone a huge raise even if they're big producers, but if/when they get another offer, counter - sometimes it's too late

other companies cannot see the forest from the trees and will lose someone over $25K when the replacement might be a much worse producer and cost the company 10-50-100x that in revenue loss
 
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