Obama Refuses to Series of Debates

[wilehart1978]

Well some many feared John Ashcroft and his ultra conservative, religious views. Well, Roe v. Wade is still in tact. He was clear that he would uphold the Constitution regardless of his relgious convictions. He did just that. You are going to have politicians like Ashcorft who know the law and will uphold it regardless of their personal or religious convictions. Let's not forget, Jim McGreevy, NJ's gay governor, a devoted Catholic, voted against gay marriage legislation.

Unfortunately, I'm not a huge fan of gay marriage either but I still support many other gay issues and causes such a civil unions and equal protection for both partners in that union -- just not necessarily marriage. Sorry, those are my religious convictions. Abortion is legal but again my religious convictions and upbringing tell me this act is wrong. I don't support the act, just a woman's right to choose. Thus, If there were a law allowing gay marriage, I don't think I'd approve morally, but would support it legally.

I have seen on the board where others feel that gay adoption may not be in the best interest of the child. As you can see gay freindly or not. Liberal or Conservative. Gay or Straight. We all have our convictions and opinions about family values. In the end, it's the laws that govern us, not religious convictions. Trust me -- really knowing where a candidate stands on issues that are a matter of conviction and not law, is good but should never be a dealbreaker for whom your vote is cast. I'm not saying their convictions should be ignored, but there are never hardly enough to sway my vote. This is just one issue in a myriad of other issues we should consider before voting for any candidate.

I cant say this much, I don't trust anyone who says they support the gay community and then claim to have a very strong christian faith and follows the law of the bible and the word of god. It is a contradiction of terms, in which they say one thing and do another.

 

[wilehart1978]

A reporter said the Clintons were pimping out Chelsea to reach out to celebrities. SHuster apologized. As of this writing, I don't know if Hillary pulled out of MSNBC's debate.

So, what's all this I hear about Sen. Clinton refusing to debate on MS-NBC?

 

[construct]

A reporter said the Clintons were pimping out Chelsea to reach out to celebrities. SHuster apologized. As of this writing, I don't know if Hillary pulled out of MSNBC's debate.

This is what led me to believe she might have.

In a conference call with reporters, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson on Friday excoriated MSNBC's David Shuster for suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to celebrities and Democratic Party "superdelegates" on her mother's behalf.

Wolfson called Shuster's comment "beneath contempt" and disgusting.

"I, at this point, can't envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network," he added.

http://www.star-********.com/466/story/462707.html

 

[White Eagle]

I cant say this much, I don't trust anyone who says they support the gay community and then claim to have a very strong christian faith and follows the law of the bible and the word of god. It is a contradiction of terms, in which they say one thing and do another.

Sorry Musicman but Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ. His webpage states he belongs to the Trinity United Church of Christ, which I could not find a link at Wikipedia. But the link below states he belongs to UCC. Wikipedia site quotes this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ
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* The resolution "In support of equal marriage rights for all", supported by an estimated 80% of the 884 General Synod Delegates, made the United Church of Christ General Synod the first major Christian deliberative body in the U.S. to make a statement of support for "equal marriage rights for all people, regardless of gender," and is hitherto the largest Christian denominational entity in the U.S. supporting equal marriage rights (although other denominations have affirmed committed relationships for LGBT people in other forms). The resolution's primary focus is on calling for equal access to civil marriage rights regardless of gender; however, the resolution does call upon local congregations and other settings of the United Church of Christ to discussion and discernment around "marriage equality" and encourages congregations "to consider adopting Wedding Policies that do not discriminate against couples based on gender." Although eighty percent (80%) of the delegates at the United Church of Christ General Synod XV endorsed an "Equal Marriage Rights For All" resolution, national response to the resolution remains mixed. Some in the United Church of Christ have heralded the resolution as furthering the prophetic witness of the United Church of Christ to both church and society. Others in the United Church of Christ viewed this decision unfavorably, though, because the General Synod's highly publicized endorsement may or may not reflect the actual theological opinions held by individual members or their local congregations. The language used that asserts no distinction between same sex marriage and different sex marriage ("Therefore, theologically and biblically, there is neither justification for denying any couple, regardless of gender, the blessings of the church nor for denying equal protection under the law in the granting of a civil marriage license, recognized and respected by all civil entities.") has been considered by some to be an overstepping the Synod's role in asserting theological positions. Of particular note, on June 10, 2006, the Iglesia Evangelica Unida de Puerto Rico, since 1931 a conference of the Congregational Christian Churches/UCC, voted by a 3–1 margin to withdraw its affiliation with the UCC as a body, over the issue.[34]
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20% in the UCC do not view same sex marriage.

 

[chance1]

So, what's all this I hear about Sen. Clinton refusing to debate on MS-NBC?

yeah - heard the same thing - ck it out



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