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On-Topic Obama Says He Can't Control What Happens at the White House

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I received an epiphany this week: The "ignore" button is vastly underrated. :biggrin:
 
Jack Springer said:
This thread illustrates the blind faith in a man what has no idea how to lead. His idea of leadership is to divide.
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That argument, in itself is a straw man of your own creation.

I have plenty to be upset with Obama about, this nickel and dime bullshit is the very least of it.

How about bringing an "A Game" instead of the usual ad nauseam non sequitors? :confused:
 
No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

Hell, the guy can't even produce a budget on time.

All I hear on CEP is how great Obama is in every thread about him. Only a few have ever admitted he had some faults.

Blind faith has it's consequences -- eventually you get screwed .. .and not the good kind.

Every thread on CEP about a republican gets trashed -- WTF is the difference. Today all the usuals trashed a republican governor for coming out for marriage equality for gays ... and yet they trashed him and every republican living.

I'm not seeing an "A Game" there.

Go beat up on someone else.
 
His ratings matter far less in the second term. Obama has tried on the economy and jobs; it'll be pain fully slow, but it'll grow. He does not write the budget. Obama is also center-right, dangerously so.

All proven.

Obama does fuck up. A lot. He actually is a black Bush, with a few more ideas. I have yet to see a single person here that could be considered a zealot for Obama. Just because you rely on the slippery slope fallacy to put Obama's views in line with everyone else does not make it true.

Actually, it seems that there's one super-camp on this: we're not thrilled with Obama, or satisfied in any way, some are even exasperated, but he's better than the alternative.
 
Jack Springer said:
No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.

Hell, the guy can't even produce a budget on time.

All I hear on CEP is how great Obama is in every thread about him. Only a few have ever admitted he had some faults.

Blind faith has it's consequences -- eventually you get screwed .. .and not the good kind.

Every thread on CEP about a republican gets trashed -- WTF is the difference. Today all the usuals trashed a republican governor for coming out for marriage equality for gays ... and yet they trashed him and every republican living.

I'm not seeing an "A Game" there.

Go beat up on someone else.
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Curious.

As Gay Men we get beaten up everyday, usually by some "conservative" either with a religious bent, or a Republican looking to score points with their base.

I'm just saying, and has been shared by some of the posters here that you deride, and by some of those that deride you, there's a litany of things that we can all beat Obama up on.

When so called "conservatives" (either out here in the world, or here in CE&P) go after Obama it's rarely about anything of significance.

'Ooooh! Obama is a Socialist-Marxist-Kenyan Born-Atheist-Secular-Liberal-Muslim Loving-Anti-American-Negro who mixes his Sci-Fi metaphors'

:rolleyes:

Really?

If anything the guy is the product of our fucked up political system.

In the History of America who makes a speech at a Party Convention, then goes from being a State Senator, to a U.S Senator, to President of the United States within the course of four years?

As an American who voted for Obama (TWICE), he's not the HOPE and Change that I voted for.

The "right wingers" want to call into question his "leadership." (Or lack thereof).

From this Texan's perspective, the only voting bloc that's truly holding their elected Representatives "accountable" are the bought and paid for Tea Party Extremists.

As a fellow American I think that you and I, and anyone reading this post should wake the fuck up, and stop taking our talking points from our National Corporate Owned Media, and demand that our talking points be heard!

What you and I see everyday, and in some ways is reflected in CE&P, are two entrenched camps.

I'm right, your left, your wrong, go fuck yourself, blah, blah, blah.

Meanwhile back in Washington (Regardless of Party) they're all nothing more than "corporate shills."

Those of us who actually Love America, and who love American History, and who follow politics and sociology like some people who love sports, or the Kardashians, or Honey Boo Boo, can't help but see a huge disconnect in what's supposed to be the greatest "experiment" in World History; American Democracy.

And it's all being "usurped" by the myth of "free markets/enterprise," while the "American Dream" apparently is only being reserved for illegal immigrants.

WTF!?


Isn't it curious that, as Americans, that we know more about what's going on in Europe (very little actually), or Southeast Asia/China (still very little), but know virtually nothing about the economies or politics of South American countries?

Our biggest (you can actually drive to) adjacent Governmental Countries?

The New Pope of the Catholic Church, for the first time in recorded History isn't from "Mainland Europe."

And all that most Americans seem to know about Argentina is that Madonna played Eva Peron in the screen version of a Broadway Play, and that Hugo Chavez was El Presidente' of Venezuala.

California is said to be the 7th largest economy in the world, followed closely by Brazil.

What do any of us really know about Brazil beyond "Carnivale" and hot Gay Porn stars?

Am I being "incoherent" in my perceived "rant" here?

Or is anyone getting my point?

Sure Obama is playing petty school yard politics by shutting the White House down for tours.

How is that any different from the so called "leadership" in the House of Congress, and why should we give a shit about the differences?

Because it's nothing more than Theater; Bread and Circuses.

Meanwhile....back on the farm, the Dow Jones Industrial Average reaches a Record High, Corporate Profits and Mergers are far exceeding anything under the Reagan Administration, and the American Public is being told that everything that they've been paying taxes for are "entitlements" that must be cut to balance the budget.

And you're okay with that?

/end :soapbox:

;)
 
On the point of "sequester;"

Q: What's the difference between Nationalizing and Corporatization of a "peoples democracy?"

Hint: The answers have been the revolutionizing principle in South American Countries for decades now.

And those peoples have found themselves governed by clowns, who run and are elected on "populist" ideas, while lining their own pockets and creating oligarchies of their own.

They only real threat that South American Democracies pose to the United States of America, aren't nuclear ambitions, or their economies, is that when it comes to our Democracy in World history we can accurately be compared to them, and the direction in which we're all headed as Americans.

So boo-fucking-hoo, Obama can't lead. :cry:

:rolleyes:
 
And just for a comparison, the so called "God-Fearing-Right-Wing-Tea-Party-Conservatives" blame everything on "liburals," the "Gay Agenda," and "illegal immigrants."

...and the Liberal Media, and the Democrats, and.......

South American "leadership" blames everything on "Yankees" and "American Imperialists," and the CIA.

How has that worked out for the poor and unrepresented people do you think?

But this story about the White House works for you in your opposition why?

Surely we can find something to agree upon! ;)
 
This has nothing to do with Obama this is typical ass hole U.S. Paranoia. My dad went on a tour of the white house when Eisenhower was President. As a large group walked through they announced that the president and his wife were coming down. They shook hands with everyone and moved on. Since Regan the ass hole we now have misses on the front lawn, all sorts of barricades all over Washington. The U.S. no longer has a pair of balls.
 
My personal opinion about The Tours being Temp-shut down;...I hope the Obama White house Staffers or whoever is over The Tours did their HOMEWORK...

A. When was the Last time An Administration shut down White House Touring? Will they be the FIRST to do it since forever?

B. For how Long?

C. The White house is the Peoples house funded by Taxpayor dollars. Why let the Republicans think you're shutting out their Tourists who they gave Golden Tickets to when EVERY tax payor should be allowed to Tour the home?

I don't agree with the decison to STOP Tours....It was easier for Obama to be OK with it because this is his last term...He would have NEVER let it go down the last 4yrs...The First Lady was even there greeting people on a regular basis...
 
Kudos to Rolyo85 who says he is 100's of times more popular on JUB than me.

Congratulations!!!!
 
GiancarloC said:
Again, Obama does not control the private sector.
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My point. He's done what he can. It's now out of his hands.

but he fucks up? Where exactly? He hasn't taken the bull by its horns and pushed harder... instead relying on compromising tactics...
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You named it. His one biggest fuck up is that he's been somewhat too interested in compromise. It could be called one fuck up or it could be called many. Specifically what irks me is when he had solid support already in both houses during his first term. He could've done so much more with that. But he chose to try to warm up to the people that were interested in him being a one term president. He's started now in the right direction by avoiding Republican leadership and informing the Reps and Senators personally, something I wish he would've done to start with.

I think people can do the talking themselves.
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Just a general observation. It seems that most here are not pleased, but saw him as the better option.

Obama isn't the "black bush" and he's not "center right" either. He's a centrist. I am a leftist. If one wants to see fuck ups they can look into Congress, specifically the House of Representative for that one.
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I am a leftist as well, and I think his concessions to the right have made many of his policies turn out to be right of center. Some even center right to gain approval. I'll judge him on what he considers acceptable when compared with the original suggestions and proposals. His stances seem fine, but he'll tolerate policy being somewhat different.

I use the term Black Bush in reference to Obama's continued support of tracking down every last terrorist, now by drone. That's a little scarier than how it was in the past. Obama is a more efficient, and unfortunately smarter commander in chief than Bush was. I disagree with Obama on drones, I think we should high tail it out of there, with due care, and approach only with the utmost of caution. I dislike both of their policies towards terrorism.

He's also incredibly hesitant to turn the U.S. more toward a social democracy. He put though a massive expansion to private healthcare when he could've socialized it like every other modern country. He would've had the support if he sold it. I think he needs a more direct PR approach. He kinda sits away and doesn't really talk to the people if he can't help it. That's another Bushism. Bush did not want to talk to the people, but for him it was more survival. Obama can benefit from talking to the people, but he can come off just as distanced as Bush was. I think Obama should do like the Fireside Chats over the internet. A weekly stream where the president talks with you, not down to you. He's been good about the level, not being above, but he should explain everything he does. People are too ignorant of what he wants.
 
Damn, Centex. I'm glad I waited til today to read this thread.
One of the best reads this year. Thanks guys!
 
Jack Springer said:
No straw man -- the guy shut down the White House to visitors when he didn't have to do it -- he used the ploy to make his point. His point has him down in the polls.

How about Obama doing something about the economy and jobs.
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Jack, how about you bring us your own thought on something and not be a living, breathing echo of the latest Fox News shoutrage?
 
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