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Obama sets new records in primary fundraising - and far exceeds Clinton

I'm not going to get into a pissing match here (ICO, I'm looking at you). There are far more important things to dicuss about this very important election. I, and many others, have made it clear why I support Senator Clinton. We all know the facts that have been reported (that Senator Clinton raised more in the 3rd Quarter than any other candidate). It's sad, however, that some refuse to actually talk about the current issues and problems facing our country and how we can overcome these challenges. I believe Senator Clinton is best able to do lead our nation at this challenging time. And I've made it clear why I believe that.
 
This "very important election" is a current issue/problem/challenge for this country, and the goal of those of us who care about the country that would like to have a good candidate for president---I and many others assert that Senator Clinton is not that candidate. You do accept that reality, correct?

I care about our country...and that's why I'm working to elect Hillary Clinton the next President because I believe she is the best equipped to lead our country. And a majority of Democrats agree. Do you accept that reality? You have every right to disagree with Senator Clinton's policy positions. But you don't have a right to make up your own "facts."
 
USA politics are SO polarized these days 'facts' are just bothersome.

I believe the internet and talk radio are two reasons this is so.
 
This cartoon belongs in this thread :lol: :
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The internet!?

It was the only voice of reason (outside of comedy shows like TDS and whatever Maher's show is called) that stood against the 'consensus' for invading Iraq. The problem with polarization are those partisan idealogues, on both sides, that forsake reason and free thought. This polarity is a reflection of the false dichotomy that is politics in this country.

Yeah, the internet. Have you been on far left/right blogs and forums recently?

Some truly bazaar stuff on them and too many people fall for it.

The latest was the Limbaugh 'fake soldier' deal.
 
Yeah, the internet. Have you been on far left/right blogs and forums recently?

Some truly bazaar stuff on them and too many people fall for it.

The latest was the Limbaugh 'fake soldier' deal.
Yes Santa, I didn't believe Limbaughs explanation either. ;)
 
Anybody else wanna chip in to cover the cost of the hotel room I'm going to get Lance and ICO? I promise the video will be worth the cost of your donation! :D
 
The problem with polarization are those partisan idealogues, on both sides, that forsake reason and free thought. This polarity is a reflection of the false dichotomy that is politics in this country.


There are plenty of partisan ideologues who argue their positions, their beliefs, but do not do so in a polarizing fashion.

The polarization comes from the Atwater/Rove structure of politics and politicing. It's literally built in to their concept of how to present and sell their agenda. Divide and conquer. It's not a new strategy, but it IS a strategy, not a result of authentic partisan ideology.
 
Anybody else wanna chip in to cover the cost of the hotel room I'm going to get Lance and ICO? I promise the video will be worth the cost of your donation! :D

No thank you...I'm spoken for (by someone who actually supports Senator Clinton ;)).
 
After all: 2. To cause to concentrate about two conflicting or contrasting positions.

Exactly.

That's all partisanship is.

Two conflicting or contrasting positions.

There nothing intrinsically polarizing about that.

It's possible for people to disagree, to debate two sides of an issue without being polarizing.

Polarizing a group into two sides is an ugly strategy of manipulation, not a result of differing points of view. It can be done among a group of friends, it can happen in a family, the workplace -- doesn't have to be politics or government.


No, it's built into the two-party system and is also found in your polarizing, partisan, ideological attempt at pointing the blame at 'the enemy'. One could trace it back to the abolition movement and its culmination in 1860 if one didn't have an axe to grind against the current administration who only helped master an old trick.


I didn't say Rove/Bush/Cheney invented polarizing politics or divide and conquer strategy. In fact I've pointed many times to earlier uses and, as you have here, credited this administration only with mastering an old trick. But it IS the GOP, not the Democratic Party, that is responsible for this current wave.

Giving you benefit of the doubt, maybe you're too young to remember Lee Atwater. Read about him. Read about Karl Rove's history, and his learning the ropes from Atwater. The polarizing political strategy and use of code words was a Nixon strategy (who, incidentally, learned about polarizing politics at the side of Joe McCarthy) before Atwater but Atwater honed it to a perfectly effective tool, which Rove then took and ran with. Nixon, then Atwater, started with the easiest way to polarize Americans. Racism.


Here's a little taste of Atwater:


Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the [George] Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps…?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N****r, n****r, n****r.' By 1968 you can't say 'n****r' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N****r, n****r.'


After 9/11 Rove/Bush/Cheney used terrorism to divide Americans into patriotic (those who went along with Bush) and unpatriotic, unAmerican (those who opposed Bush).
 
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