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Obama Speech: 'A More Perfect Union'

Words delivered by a strong speaker, written by a good writer, can often elicit a calculated result in the minds of like minded thinkers and believers.

Words in the hands of masters can be either uplifting or dangerous. We have examples in history where entire countries were swayed to support the unthinkable, as well as the positive.

We live in times, in which our very lifestyle has conditioned us to respond to words that contain powerful messages of hope and regeneration. It's what Hollywood would call a resurrection story. Guaranteed to elicit the needed response from like minded thinkers.

Are you a believer? What do you believe in?

Are you a disbeliever? What do you oppose?
 
I'm not going to respond to the negative posts because if they don't get it by now, they never will. They will be the ones that keep racism alive.


It's very unfortunate that this is what Barack Obama's speech about race inspires.

But that's what makes it a failure, except maybe as a political device to keep his primary campaign alive.
 
Words delivered by a strong speaker, written by a good writer, can often elicit a calculated result in the minds of like minded thinkers and believers.

Words in the hands of masters can be either uplifting or dangerous. We have examples in history where entire countries were swayed to support the unthinkable, as well as the positive.

We live in times, in which our very lifestyle has conditioned us to respond to words that contain powerful messages of hope and regeneration. It's what Hollywood would call a resurrection story. Guaranteed to elicit the needed response from like minded thinkers.

Are you a believer? What do you believe in?

Are you a disbeliever? What do you oppose?

And yet if Hillary gave the exact ... and I do mean the EXACT same speech, you would mark it as a piece of Art worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize .... something that would unite the country. You are unbelievable. Worthy of Comedian status.

It's very unfortunate that this is what Barack Obama's speech about race inspires.

But that's what makes it a failure, except maybe as a political device to keep his primary campaign alive.

ROFLMAO!!

Keep his campaign alive? LOL!!!

Comedian Regular NickCole ... Live on Stage, Gentlemen. Don't know how someone who is ahead in contests won and Delegates is somehow desperately trying to keep his campaign alive. The only campaign on Life Support right now is that of Hillary Rodham Clinton's. Only a Hillary Feminist could possibly spin the reality of the situation around to create the illusion that she is winning right now.
 
Keep his campaign alive? LOL!!!

You think he made that speech for funzies? He made it because he was forced to, to keep his campaign from sinking.



The momentum in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary battle has shifted back to New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who now leads Illinois Sen. Barack Obama 53 - 41 percent among likely primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 49 - 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in a February 27 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN uh-pe-ack) University. In that survey, the momentum was with Sen. Obama who had narrowed a 52 - 36 percent gap from a February 14 poll.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1158


Clinton has large lead in Pennsylvania

Raleigh, N.C. – After a week filled with bad news for the Obama campaign, Hillary Clinton is out to a 56-30 lead in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary.

Clinton is aided in large part by a 46 point margin over Obama with female voters, 66-20.

She leads with men as well although by a considerably tighter margin of 45-41.

“The big story in the Presidential race over the last week has been the comments of Barack Obama’s pastor about America,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “It appears this issue has hurt him a good deal with likely primary voters in Pennsylvania.”

Clinton even appears to be making in roads among black voters in the state. She trails just 63-27 with that group, which Obama has tended to get over 80% of the vote from in key primary states so far. She has a 40 point lead, 63-23, with white voters.

This poll shows the largest deficit Obama has faced in Pennsylvania so far in 2008.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_031708.pdf
 
My thoughts on Barack's speech:

Man, I want this guy to be my president.

Barack Obama's speech this morning was brilliant and daring. I am sadly afraid that it might not be successful.

I did not come to support Obama quickly, easily, or with the messianic fervor of many other coastal whites. I did so slowly, deliberately, with eyes wide open to his shortcomings and weaknesses. I felt he was not nearly as strong a general election candidate as many pundits did, and I was unsure of his readiness to be commander-in-chief in an uncertain and scary time. I considered seriously Bill Clinton's warning that voting for Obama was a risk.

With time, I decided I wanted to take that risk. I needed to take that risk. Over the course of fall and early winter, I slowly saw in Barack Obama the potential for something different in America, in her politics, and to a certain extent, in myself. I witnessed and grew enamored of a candidate who possessed a steely calm, who championed a cause without demonizing the opposition, and who challenged a broken, dysfunctional political system.

The past week, the endless cable TV loop of the worst of Jeremiah Wright filled me with dread. I have spent enough time in black churches and among the political hard left to be unfazed both by Wright's politics or by his tone in the over-exposed clips. But I am enough the son of Reagan voters, enough the product of an ethnic mill town, and enough the political cynic, to realize that Wright's comments had thrown Obama onto the third rail of American politics, and tied him there, firmly, tightly.

I was nervous about the speech this morning. I was skeptical that he could salvage his campaign from this crisis. Twelve hours later, I am not sure he did, but I feel genuine awe and gratitude for what I witnessed this morning.

What impressed me was not his eloquence, or his grasp of history, but his uncommon courage. Alone on stage, reading a speech written by his own hand and from his own heart, Barack Obama forcefully, calmly and eagerly broke every rule of modern American politics. He refused to simplify and pander. He opted for loyalty over political expediency. He thoughtfully explained instead of deliberately obfuscating.

Most remarkably, though, rather than try to short-circuit or bury an agonizing conversation about race in America, Barack Obama chose to start one. He understands this nation needs to embrace the complicated dialogue he has had within his own head for much of his life. He understands the discussion needs to be unflinching, unvarnished, and often painful. And while he understands the conversation will never be finished, that the union will never be perfected, it is necessary, productive, and ultimately transformative.

I am in awe of Barack Obama for what he did today. I have never felt as proud of supporting a candidate as I did today. I have never before felt that a candidate was really trying to change something big and deep and troubling in our country. And I have never before felt a leader was sincere when he said this was something "we" needed to do.

But I am skeptical that this speech will save his campaign. The significance of his message is either being lost or deliberately obscured by the rabid hyenas on CNN and Fox. And although I try, I cannot muster the faith he has in the American electorate to not only embrace the dialogue he calls us to, but to see and understand his candidacy as being about not that one conversation, but about so many more.

I don't quite believe we can, but he makes me want to. He makes me just audacious enough to hope that I am wrong.

www.thoughtcrimejournal.blogspot.com
 
You think he made that speech for funzies? He made it because he was forced to, to keep his campaign from sinking.

He made the speech to calm the concerns of Whites in this country about his association with Reverend Wright. And he answered those concerns with class and dignity ... and gave an excellent speech on Race in the process.

Don't tell me you think your candidate's campaign is ahead in anything right now. Oh, that's right, you posted a nice snipet on Pennsylvania ... which we already admitted weeks ago that Hillary was going to take.

Clinton has large lead in Pennsylvania

Raleigh, N.C. – After a week filled with bad news for the Obama campaign, Hillary Clinton is out to a 56-30 lead in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary.

Clinton is aided in large part by a 46 point margin over Obama with female voters, 66-20. (Gee, I can't say that I'm surprised there. Too bad we don't have Demographics of Gays as well, that are supporting her. Feminists sure hate being stereotyped, but in reality they do the things that stereotype them. They just don't like being called out on it.)

She leads with men as well although by a considerably tighter margin of 45-41.

“The big story in the Presidential race over the last week has been the comments of Barack Obama’s pastor about America,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “It appears this issue has hurt him a good deal with likely primary voters in Pennsylvania.”

Clinton even appears to be making in roads among black voters in the state. She trails just 63-27 with that group, which Obama has tended to get over 80% of the vote from in key primary states so far. She has a 40 point lead, 63-23, with white voters.

This poll shows the largest deficit Obama has faced in Pennsylvania so far in 2008.

Why do you act like this is such a big surprise? We already know she is going to win there and we've been saying it for weeks. The real question is ... what is the end result going to be after she does pull off the victory? Where will she stand in Delegates? The answer ... still way Behind.
 
Don't tell me you think your candidate's campaign is ahead in anything right now. Oh, that's right, you posted a nice snipet on Pennsylvania ... which we already admitted weeks ago that Hillary was going to take.


It's not only Pennsylvania.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released Wednesday.

The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/obamas_lead_over_clinton_narro.php


Barack Obama gave that speech because his campaign is falling as a result of the truth coming out. Obama didn't give that speech because he could or because he should; Obama gave that speech to save his own ass.

Whether or not he saved his campaign will show up in the weeks to come.
 


Thank you for that link to your post on another site.

Following your post on that site is this, which is typical of Obama supporters across the Internet:

She Makes Me Want to Vomit


Dear Lord. I just listened to NPR interview Steve Inskeep did with Lady MacBeth this week. Her capacity for bold and shameless lying is truly remarkable. After listening, I think have a concussion from banging my head against the wall.

She says that she never claimed that McCain is more qualified than Obama to be president. You can check it out here. It is just after the 3-minute mark, surrounded on both sides by other HRC whoppers.

She completely contradicts what she says in this clip, which marks the moment where I took the vow that I would never, under any circumstances, vote for her:

This poster includes video & audio of his referenced Clinton comments (worth a listen), which is instructive because the poster gets it completely wrong. Where the poster accuses Hillary of "completely contradicts what she says" and lying, she not only tells the truth and doesn't contradict but repeats her earlier characterization verbatim.

Obama supporters don't hear what's said, don't comprehend what they read, and they're "vowing" to "never, under any circumstances, vote for" the other Democratic candidate.

Obama supporters are not Democrats, they're Obama cultists.
 
And yet if Hillary gave the exact ... and I do mean the EXACT same speech, you would mark it as a piece of Art worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize .... something that would unite the country. You are unbelievable. Worthy of Comedian status.



ROFLMAO!!

Keep his campaign alive? LOL!!!

Comedian Regular NickCole ... Live on Stage, Gentlemen. Don't know how someone who is ahead in contests won and Delegates is somehow desperately trying to keep his campaign alive. The only campaign on Life Support right now is that of Hillary Rodham Clinton's. Only a Hillary Feminist could possibly spin the reality of the situation around to create the illusion that she is winning right now.

Give it rest will ya? :rolleyes:

You were one of the members that I was referring to when I made my comment in my first post in this thread:

Closer to home, it's ashame that many of his most ardent supporters in this forum don't follow these same principles, in regard to their fellow members here; at least in their support for him.

If anything, perhaps the speech was designed to put him over the top, since Senator Obama (though leading), hasn't won the substantial lead that he needs to win.

Factor in Rev. Wright's comments, the racial divide in this country, and five more primaries, he needs to maintain that lead to prevent a blood bath at the Democratic National Convention.


He made the speech to calm the concerns of Whites in this country about his association with Reverend Wright. And he answered those concerns with class and dignity ... and gave an excellent speech on Race in the process.

Don't tell me you think your candidate's campaign is ahead in anything right now. Oh, that's right, you posted a nice snipet on Pennsylvania ... which we already admitted weeks ago that Hillary was going to take.



Why do you act like this is such a big surprise? We already know she is going to win there and we've been saying it for weeks. The real question is ... what is the end result going to be after she does pull off the victory? Where will she stand in Delegates? The answer ... still way Behind.

Sounds like to me you just made NickCole's point:

NickCole said:
Barack Obama gave that speech because his campaign is falling as a result of the truth coming out. Obama didn't give that speech because he could or because he should; Obama gave that speech to save his own ass.

Whether or not he saved his campaign will show up in the weeks to come.

Senator Obama NEEDS to maintain that lead. :grrr:

And we will find out in the weeks to come what impact this speech has on anything.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0319wycliffmar19,0,5247460.story

A healthy new dialogue on race

By Don Wycliff
March 19, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama's extraordinary speech in Philadelphia Tuesday was a tribute to two healthy attributes of the man: intellectual humility and a well-developed capacity to listen.

Only someone who has learned to listen with an understanding heart could have articulated as Obama did the opposed but oddly similar resentments of black and white Americans of a certain age. Only someone with the humility to admit that he didn't already have all the answers would have bothered to listen in the first place.

Whether or not the speech helps get Obama elected president, it ought to help Americans begin to think and talk about the vexing issue of race with more clarity than we have been able to for many years.

Obama's greatest service may have been to disarm the nattering nabobs of talk radio and TV by serving notice that he, at least, will not play "gotcha" with them—whether the gotcha involves his former black pastor or his white grandmother.

"I can no more disown [ Rev. Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community," Obama said. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother—a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

It's about family, folks. We don't throw them out because they don't measure up perfectly to our ideal standards, because they sometimes embarrass us.

"These people," Obama said, "are part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love."

Obama also reminded us, wisely, of a reality we too often seem unable to appreciate: "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." Or perhaps better, in the words of the nation's founders, be made "more perfect."

Shelby Steele, the black conservative commentator who once had a good idea but stopped at one, wrote a gotcha commentary on Obama in Tuesday's Wall Street Journal. With the disclosure of Rev. Wright's intemperate remarks, Steele said, Obama had been unmasked as a fellow traveler for his entire adult life with a "hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism . . . an ideology that would have no place for his own mother."

What Obama told the nation yesterday is that it's vastly more complicated than that, that his life is like all our lives, where we don't have the option to just write people out because they displease us, embarrass us, hold attitudes that disappoint us.

What Obama said is that, where race is concerned, we don't have the luxury of behaving as if life is as simple as black and white. Because if we are to create a more perfect union, we must think in many more colors and with much more maturity. The question is: Do we have the humility to admit we don't already understand it all and have the will to listen—and learn?

Don Wycliff teaches media criticism at the University of Notre Dame
 
I considered seriously Bill Clinton's warning that voting for Obama was a risk.

With time, I decided I wanted to take that risk. I needed to take that risk.

I agree with everything you've so eloquently said.

As to the risk factor, I felt the same way several weeks ago when it was time for me to vote. But back then, Obama said something that made a lot of sense to me: that the real risk comes not from trying a new way, it comes from sticking to the same old failed ways of doing things, over and over again in the deluded hope that somehow this time things will be different. That's the real risk. In my case, my vote for Obama wasn't just a vote for something abstract and vague called "change" or "hope" -- it was a vote away from the familiar, the tired, the failed, the exhausting and never-ending mobius strip of disaster after disaster that our country has become.

Yesterday's speech underscored my hope that I had made the right choice in voting for him because the way he chose to address the Wright controversy and the issue of race in America could not possibly have been more different from what we've become accustomed to. It was subtle, complex, honest and fresh, a mirror held up to the way things really are. It wasn't a knee-jerk, predictable old narrative that any one of us could have written by rote. And it may be, in the end, that's he too nuanced for an America that's been force fed a steady diet of soundbites and slogans for years on end. But whatever happens, he's not going away and will, one way or another, contribute slowly to the nudging of us, however unwillingly, toward a more honest dialogue.

I see Hillary traveling across Pennsylvania with the likes of Ed Rendell and, now, Jack Murtha and I have a lot of respect for all of them. But their zeitgeist seems so very Old School these days and, as much as I'm grateful to them for much of what they've done, they're dinosaurs in their own time. No, I don't see Obama as a messiah, I haven't drunk any Kool Aid -- I'm wary and watchful and demanding. But in a way I don't feel I have any choice but to go with him. The alternatives have had plenty of years to prove themselves and they've succeeded mostly in proving themselves to be architects of the machine, not dismantlers of it.
 
New Gallup Poll Daily tracking finds Hillary Clinton with a 49% to 42% lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters' presidential nomination preference. . . . The initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton's gaining momentum, as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night's polling as compared to Monday night's polling.

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A paragraph from Obama's speech:


I can no more disown [Rev. Dr. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.


In Obama's first book, Dreams From My Father, he tells a similar story. But there's a big difference.

A teenaged Barack overhears his grandmother (the family's breadwinner, who normally took the bus to work) asking her husband to take her to work that one morning. Here's what Barack Obama wrote:

"Her lips pursed with irritation. 'He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."

Obama tries to tell his grandfather it's no big deal, why not just bring her to work that one day? The grandfather responds:

"He turned around and I saw that he was shaking. 'It is a big deal. It's a big deal to me. She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time. I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.' He whispered the word. 'That's the real reason why she's bothered. And I just don't think that's right.'"


In his speech Obama characterized his white grandmother's racism as, "a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street."

In his book he described her having been harrassed very aggressively by a bum who wouldn't leave her alone and she feared he'd hit her over the head if her bus hadn't come.

Obama's grandmother is still alive. She was probably watching that speech. That's the grandmother who sacrificed for him, raised him, loved him, protected him, took the bus to work every morning to bring in the family income and put him through good schools.

So to save his own butt during a political campaign he equates her to a man who shouts out, "God DAMN America!" and "US of KKK!"

That's the kind of man Barack Obama is.
 
Overall, I think that this was a great speech. It of course has to have some political aspects as he is a politican running for office, but it seemed to be from the heart. Furthermore, instead of running from the issue, he choose to bravely address it in a constructive manner.
 
Well, if you're psychotic enough, or someone else around here is, to do the research on these forums and trace the entire Democratic primary dialogue, you're welcome to it. In the meantime, I'll continue to endure the ridiculous attacks, even from the mods, and respond to those I can.

But you're not responding Blanche, you're not.

You're responses so far have been nothing but one lined comments.

What happened to the reasoned guy who went after lancelva in every post that he made?

The guy who went after the spin?

There's no spin in this thread, just opinion provided by both supporters.

If some are quoting spin, then please provide sources. :)

(*8*)
 
Centex I completely agree with IC's post above and would add that they so hate Mr. Obama for challenging their Queen that they unnecessarily attacked the man for his pastor's words when all they needed to do to help their Queen was to point out how difficult his association with the Rev. Wright will make it for him to be elected.

Nothing more needed to be said but that while white america might be ready to vote for a black man for president they are not ready to vote for one with a pastor like that.

Their desire to attack him for what his pastor said says more about them, and their dedication to the democratic party, than it says about Obama.
 
YES he is a good speaker YES he is a good civil rights movementarian YES he would be good for race relations in this country

but I still don't think he would be a BETTER PRESIDENT.
 
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