Obama starts to break campaign promises

[Fucker29]

First of all, anyone who takes those campaign promises as solid gold is a putz.

Second, a sign of a [strike]good[/strike] GREAT leader is one who questions even his own perceptions and adjusts and changes course when necessary.

The LAST thing I want is a leader who sticks to their guns no matter what. Wouldn't the past 8 years have been GREAT if Bush changed his mind on a few things?

THANK YOU!!!

Now let's celebrate this post of yours! Let's track Mr.Barbrey down and suck his cock! What say you?

 

[opinterph]

When the rich spend and invest their [money] they absolutely create jobs.

I agree with Kulindahr on this point. When the poor spend their money, they also help to create jobs.

 

[Axehands]

Thing is: A bailout is an old-hat strategy that has been used in the past. Back in the 1920 and again in the 1950s a lot of companies claimed that it was needed to invigorate the economy and help keep everything going. Additionally, a bailout by our government would radically change the economic status of other countries as well (probably for the worse in many cases).

Too many jobs have been shipped over seas and the average big-wig at a company has a salary that is over 100 standard deviations away from their average employee's pay. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

 

[Kulindahr]

When the rich spend and invest their mney they absolutely create jobs. One of cousins was given a 300,000 investment to further develop his company by a rich investor. He was then able to hire 10 more peole and expand thus stimulating the economy.

Ah, there's the rub -- that "when".
Contrary to popular opinion, buying stock doesn't create jobs, it just transfers some ownership of the company from one person to another -- the company doesn't get any money at all. But that's what most rich people do, is buy stock. Those who actually invest in a way that enables companies to grow and hire are few and far between.

I've warned you once to leave me alone. Im not interested in childish spelling nags or baiting. Get away from me and stay away from me.

What's your gripe? He made legitimate points and asked legitimate questions!

 

[Kulindahr]

What most rich people do? You know most rich people? Odd. When a company goes public isn't capital gained so that progress and growth can be made. And what about private small business who are considered rich (+ 250,000) who take their earnings and expand thus creating jobs. If economists are right, those are the "most rich people" u speak of.

Okay, folks -- anyone up to searching for stats on sources of income form people making like $200k -- $350k? I've got enough stress right now that I'm passing on the effort.

 

[smelter]

Okay, folks -- anyone up to searching for stats on sources of income form people making like $200k -- $350k? I've got enough stress right now that I'm passing on the effort.

Not me! From my experience, many of the richest people I know are so cheap they could squeeze shit out of a buffalo nickel. There are plenty of professional people (bankers, doctors, insurance agents etc) who make mega bucks themselves and pay their support staff squat. They expect immediate service from vendors, always bitch about the price, and rarely pay their bills on time. Not much is trickling down from those misers. When they die, the hearse has a U-Haul attached because they're taking their money to the grave with them.

 

[bicivici]

i lived in chicago back in the day and i voted for obama in his national senate race when he ran. i saw him say and do good things then and my expectations aren't any different now. i still think my cat would have been a better president than w, though.

 

[Kulindahr]

i lived in chicago back in the day and i voted for obama in his national senate race when he ran. i saw him say and do good things then and my expectations aren't any different now. i still think my cat would have been a better president than w, though.

And your cat's litter box would have been a better VP than Cheney.

 

[NickCole]

Unsurprisingly, anyway to me, there's more to add to this thread. As I pointed out during the campaign, what Obama says cannot be trusted. That won't change.


As first reported in the Houston Chronicle, and since widely reported, Obama has "quietly dropped" his windfall profits tax on oil companies. The excuse given for this is absurd, since as long as oil company profits are reasonable a windfall profits tax wouldn't kick in.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/6143968.html


It also appears he's dropped his promise to end contracting abuses.

A statement from the American Small Business League was forthright:

During the 2008 presidential election cycle, President-elect Barack Obama made two key campaign promises which would have directed billions of dollars into the middle class economy. With the election behind him, it seems that President-elect Barack Obama has now broken his promise to enact a windfall profits tax on the oil and gas industry which would have provided a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to American families, as well as his promise to end the diversion of federal small business contracts to corporate giants. ...

http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20081125/windfall-tax.htm

More details and links: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...romise-to-end-contracting-abuses,644242.shtml

And in other news today, as The New York Times headlined it: "Campaign Promises on Ending the War in Iraq Now Muted by Reality. " But, um, "reality" hasn't changed since Obama made those campaign promises.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

 

[smelter]

Problem Solving 101: Problem A requires Solution B. When A no longer exists, B is no longer necessary to implement.

After 8 years of George (Captain of the Titanic) Bush at the helm, no wonder you guys are unable to recognize normal course corrections.

 

[Kulindahr]

And in other news today, as The New York Times headlined it: "Campaign Promises on Ending the War in Iraq Now Muted by Reality. " But, um, "reality" hasn't changed since Obama made those campaign promises.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Reality may not have changed, but what he knows about it almost certainly has: he's now privy to everything the President gets. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Obama had to undergo a severe reality check.

 

[Kulindahr]

Problem Solving 101: Problem A requires Solution B. When A no longer exists, B is no longer necessary to implement.

After 8 years of George (Captain of the Titanic) Bush at the helm, no wonder you guys are unable to recognize normal course corrections.

Smelter, methinks thou dost misrepresent things.

Bush had a toy wheel to spin. Cheney was at the real helm.

 

[NickCole]

Reality may not have changed, but what he knows about it almost certainly has: he's now privy to everything the President gets. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Obama had to undergo a severe reality check.

Bullshit.

I knew Obama couldn't do what he promised (and said so, and was attacked for it), back when he promised it. And I'm almost certain I have less information available to me than Obama had during the campaign.

What Obama's saying now is what Hillary Clinton said during the primaries --she was being forthright and truthful while he was not-- and he presented himself as a better alternative.

He's a liar. He's an Elmer Gantry. He says what he knows he needs to say to get people to like him, to be on his side, to get what he wants, to win. And when someone's good at that, as Obama is, he fools a lot of people for a long time.

Obama supporters believed him (or maybe some didn't and they're liars too). And if he doesn't come through with promises the most foolish ones will defend him and come up with excuses for it. Reality hasn't changed. Obama "reality" and Obama supporter "reality" is not reality, it's pocked with lies and broken "promises."

Obama's a very smart man and it seemes he's making some smart choices, and that's good, but a deceptive person who feels no reason to follow through with his promises is bad news. I don't know where and I don't know when but, as deception and foolish followers of seduction always bring, there will be a huge price for Obama's and his follower's games.

 

[Kulindahr]

Bullshit.

I knew Obama couldn't do what he promised (and said so, and was attacked for it), back when he promised it. And I'm almost certain I have less information available to me than Obama had during the campaign.

What Obama's saying now is what Hillary Clinton said during the primaries --she was being forthright and truthful while he was not-- and he presented himself as a better alternative.

He's a liar. He's an Elmer Gantry. He says what he knows he needs to say to get people to like him, to be on his side, to get what he wants, to win. And when someone's good at that, as Obama is, he fools a lot of people for a long time.

Obama supporters believed him (or maybe some didn't and they're liars too). And if he doesn't come through with promises the most foolish ones will defend him and come up with excuses for it. Reality hasn't changed. Obama "reality" and Obama supporter "reality" is not reality, it's pocked with lies and broken "promises."

Obama's a very smart man and it seemes he's making some smart choices, and that's good, but a deceptive person who feels no reason to follow through with his promises is bad news. I don't know where and I don't know when but, as deception and foolish followers of seduction always bring, there will be a huge price for Obama's and his follower's games.

That you knew doesn't convince me Obama wasn't living in liberal la-la land.

Though until he begs Congress to dismantle the "USA PATRIOT" Act, he's just another police-state fan to me. Then it would be nice if he'd abolish the BATFE; it's culture of corruption has gotten too deep to purge.
But I expect instead that he'll keep the police state apparatus, cheer on the corruption in the federal police organizations, and institute ideas to regiment society into nice, obedient sheep at mercy of criminals and government.*










*apologies for the redundancy

 

[NickCole]

^^ Do you have childish personal attack tantrums like that in person, too, or only in the safe anonymity of Internet forums?

 

[archive]

^^ Do you have childish personal attack tantrums like that in person, too, or only in the safe anonymity of Internet forums?

well.......hes right...everything you said....is a blanket statement for most politicians

 

[Kulindahr]

Kulindahr, I don't see why you are arguing with a troll. He fabricates lies, distorts truth, runs away when he's cornered, outright ignores facts, and does whatever it takes to maintain his fantasy anti-Obama bubble like a petulant, spoiled child. Look at what he bolded in his post (a pronoun designating his own person), and recall his post history---a bunch of distortions he used to make vague statements he hid behind logical fallacies, attacking anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with him and his poor, poor choice for a Democratic candidate.

Sometimes he's a good foil.

I did get in my little lick about redundancy....

 

[Kulindahr]

Well if we cud get rid of those socialist profit killing unions companies wudn't have to send their jobs over the border. And where is Buttfuck, OH, between Creampie and Rimjob?

Just what exactly is "socialist" about unions?

I grant you that $73+/hr in wages and benefits is a price-bloating rate, which is why Detroit is in trouble. Some unions think they can bleed their host and expect to just keep on without problems. The $180/hr some plumbers charge is astronomically more ridiculous; you'd think they were award-winning psychiatrists, at that rate.

But even at minimum wage, hollister, for industries that are labor-intensive, moving factories out of the country can be profitable. Unions are just a small part of the story.

 

[Kulindahr]

I saw this in that article:

“He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

I wonder if Bill O'Reilly's fans would consider Obama's proposed cabinet "centrist to right"? So far most all of them are anti-gun, which is a hallmark of the liberal nanny state.

 

[Kulindahr]

Reading the rest of the article...

It looks to me like Obama is merely facing something many liberals have problems with: reality.