Obama Tells Progressives He Won't Budge On Bush Tax Cuts

[evanrick]

They have already done polls showing that Americans will blame the GOP if a deal is not reached. Not hard to figure out why.


Not my words, America spoke on election day but some clearly are willfully ignorant.

 

[Benvolio]

The Constitution says all revenue bills must originate in the House, and the voters elected a Republican House. Clearly a mandate not to raise taxes.

 

[BostonPirate]

i think readywithreadywit already said that - look up

Then when you post, don't pretend that everyone is not getting a tax cut bellow the number chosen.

Keep pretending its not there, and I will keep repeating that it is.

getting bored yet?

 

[MisterB]

They have already done polls showing that Americans will blame the GOP if a deal is not reached. Not hard to figure out why.


Not my words, America spoke on election day but some clearly are willfully ignorant.

This is the reality that the Repubs and a few here just won't accept. It would be sad if it weren't so funny....Bless Their Hearts!

 

[BostonPirate]

They have already done polls showing that Americans will blame the GOP if a deal is not reached. Not hard to figure out why.


Not my words, America spoke on election day but some clearly are willfully ignorant.

See below. I heard a discussion yesterday that the problem the GOP is having right now, Isn't so much changing direction and keeping their elected officials in on the tax hike.... the problem they are having is that they have to retrain the GOP voters. These people are now stuck, mentally entrenched, so to speak.

see example below:

The Constitution says all revenue bills must originate in the House, and the voters elected a Republican House. Clearly a mandate not to raise taxes.

The GOP had it's ass handed to it in any imagineable way possible. IF the House had not recently been gerrymandered, they would have lost that as well.

HOOOray for the team. You get the house on technical manipulation that the general voters don't follow.

The House has the responsibility to produce a bill that will get the senate's majority vote, and the president's signature. The point of legislation is not to make bills that doomed to fail, it is to create a bill that can pass all the OTHER parts of the government.

If they can't do this, then they will be tossed out in the midterm elections.

The GOP is going to be obedient on this one, because Obama finally seems to have found the Bully Pulpit, and he is willing now to call congressmen out by name for unnaceptable behavior.

Obama, as we recently found out, won by a landslide by all acounts, and has the full endorsement of the People of the nation to get these parasites in the House to work for a paycheck and produce bills that will get through the process.

If you can't manage the process of legislation, then you need to not be in charge of legislating.

Thanks for once again stepping up and hanging the economy around the GOP house of reps necks. It's served you so well

 

[Kulindahr]

Yeah... you raise a good point. This is true... I actually posted something similar elsewhere. So... I guess I will expand my case to include "medium business" as well ... in essence... any business that is still in the "rapidly growing phase"... and is actually pressed to hire people should be incentivized to do so if unemployment is indeed a serious concern. So...I guess I'm saying I wouldn't be as opposed to raising the tax cutoff somewhat for business (or, better yet, directly incentivizing hiring... especially full time employees) as I would be for individuals/households.

I presume you remember that my position on purely domestic businesses is that they shouldn't have to pay more than a couple of percent in federal taxes, and those solely within a single state should pay none.

I'd even go for allowing a certain amount to be put into a reserve account each year, tax free.

 

[Kulindahr]

The House has the responsibility to produce a bill that will get the senate's majority vote, and the president's signature. The point of legislation is not to make bills that doomed to fail, it is to create a bill that can pass all the OTHER parts of the government.
. . . .
If you can't manage the process of legislation, then you need to not be in charge of legislating.

That's a good point. The responsibility of Congress is to actually legislate, not to merely pile up binders full of bills.

 

[Benvolio]

No, clearly the framers of the Consttution intended that the House would lead on revenue, not the Senate or the President. It is not the duty of the House to follow the Senate nor to rubber stamp profligate spending.

 

[jackoroe]

The House has the responsibility to produce a bill that will get the senate's majority vote, and the president's signature. The point of legislation is not to make bills that doomed to fail, it is to create a bill that can pass all the OTHER parts of the government.

They have no such obligation. The objective of our legislative system is not to facilitate legislation but to prevent it in keeping with the founders intent of limited government. Think about all the ways legislation can be derailed. That's not by accident.

 

[BostonPirate]

That's a good point. The responsibility of Congress is to actually legislate, not to merely pile up binders full of bills.

right

Legislators legislate. When they convince their minions that their job as legislators is to NOT legislate then you KNOW how pathetic both they, and the rank and file GOP members of the party of Mud are.

 

[rareboy]

Article I of the Constitution states "all legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and a House of Representatives." The House and Senate are equal partners in the legislative process—legislation cannot be enacted without the consent of both chambers. However, the Constitution grants each chamber some unique powers. The Senate ratifies treaties and approves presidential appointments while the House initiates revenue-raising bills. The House initiates impeachment cases, while the Senate decides impeachment cases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

I don't have time to look for a better source, but this is how I understood the role of the Legislative Branch.

 

[jackoroe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

I don't have time to look for a better source, but this is how I understood the role of the Legislative Branch.

Your correct. They are equal partners. There is no obligation for one house to do something to the satisfaction of the other. That's why there are conference committees to work out differences in bills. But you have to actually pass something first in order to get to conference.

 

[jackoroe]

right

Legislators legislate. When they convince their minions that their job as legislators is to NOT legislate then you KNOW how pathetic both they, and the rank and file GOP members of the party of Mud are.

More hypocrisy? No budget from the dems again next year. That'll be four years without a budget resolution!

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mon...get-chairwoman-cannot-commit-to-doing-budget-

What was that about their obligation to legislate? Your argument rings just a bit hollow.

 

[BostonPirate]

More hypocrisy? No budget from the dems again next year. That'll be four years without a budget resolution!

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mon...get-chairwoman-cannot-commit-to-doing-budget-

What was that about their obligation to legislate? Your argument rings just a bit hollow.

How can the dems pass a budget RESOLUTION when the GOP controlled house wont pass a BILL that the constitution states MUST originate from them.

They can't even get the senate to consider some of their fucked up legislation because they pass a bill for budget and add abortion legislation onto it, to insure that the president will never sign it.

The GOP is going to be left holding this bag of shit. The polls state it, and the last election indicate it. If the rethugs of the Mud party can't get their act together on this and soon, they are going to get their happy asses heaved out in two years.

The voters are just getting warmed up.

 

[rareboy]

Your correct. They are equal partners. There is no obligation for one house to do something to the satisfaction of the other. That's why there are conference committees to work out differences in bills. But you have to actually pass something first in order to get to conference.

You didn't read the whole thing....

while the House initiates revenue-raising bills.

 

[jackoroe]

How can the dems pass a budget RESOLUTION when the GOP controlled house wont pass a BILL that the constitution states MUST originate from them.

They can't even get the senate to consider some of their fucked up legislation because they pass a bill for budget and add abortion legislation onto it, to insure that the president will never sign it.

The GOP is going to be left holding this bag of shit. The polls state it, and the last election indicate it. If the rethugs of the Mud party can't get their act together on this and soon, they are going to get their happy asses heaved out in two years.

The voters are just getting warmed up.

Do a little research. The house has passed a budget every year. They fulfilled their Constitutional obligation. The Senate, not so much.

 

[jackoroe]

You didn't read the whole thing....

while the House initiates revenue-raising bills.

Yes I did and so what?

 

[BostonPirate]

Do a little research. The house has passed a budget every year. They fulfilled their Constitutional obligation. The Senate, not so much.

Do you really want me to list all the riders that they added in to insure the Senate would never take the bill up for consideration?

Shall we delve into abortionland, rape legislation, repeal ACA terriory et al?

The house of Reps has been building bills designed to NOT pass, and the obstruction that THIS behavior caused enraged the electorate to the point of Throwing Romney and Ryan, and a host of senators out on their happy asses. If the House had not been gerrymandered they would have lost it, as they lost the popular vote.

So this is it.

Obama won the election with orders from all of us to stop all of THIS.

He has no re elections to think of now. Meet Obama 2.0. You guys need to adapt or you are going to give the whole government to the Dems in Obama's last two years in office.

Unbridled power awaits Obama, and the GOP is still mindlessly playing his political long game.

What a bunch of chumps.

 

[jackoroe]

Do you really want me to list all the riders that they added in to insure the Senate would never take the bill up for consideration?

Shall we delve into abortionland, rape legislation, repeal ACA terriory et al?

The house of Reps has been building bills designed to NOT pass, and the obstruction that THIS behavior caused enraged the electorate to the point of Throwing Romney and Ryan, and a host of senators out on their happy asses. If the House had not been gerrymandered they would have lost it, as they lost the popular vote.

So this is it.

Obama won the election with orders from all of us to stop all of THIS.

He has no re elections to think of now. Meet Obama 2.0. You guys need to adapt or you are going to give the whole government to the Dems in Obama's last two years in office.

Unbridled power awaits Obama, and the GOP is still mindlessly playing his political long game.

What a bunch of chumps.

So pass a fucking budget without the riders and amendments and send it off to committee. What's so fucking difficult about that?! Quit being a partisan for a minute and look objectively at the budget process.

 

[BostonPirate]

So pass a fucking budget without the riders and amendments and send it off to committee. What's so fucking difficult about that?! Quit being a partisan for a minute and look objectively at the budget process.

WHAT????

That is a tortured logic loop you have there, buddy.

The GOp is peachy for putting the shit in the bill, but the Dems are bad for not removing the shit? Have we talked about the filibuster in congress?

Do you think you can just change the bill in the senate without having it filibustered? Do you really want me to make THAT list in this thread???????

So how do you change the bill in the house and avoid the GOP filibuster? Those asshats filibuster jobs bills for returning veterans of the aghanistan war, just for fun.

of course.... We DID kick brown to the curb for it, as a strong warning to ALL OF THIS that the GOP is doing.

America is no longer buying a ticket on the GOP clown car ride. Abandoned on the side of the road.