Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer

[White Eagle]

I mentioned in another thread that Texas was set to execute a Mexican National tomorrow. Looks l i9ke Obama is getting involved because Perry will not stop the execution. Therefore once again murdering another human being without proper representation. It is under the Vienna convention he was entitled to contact the Mexican consulate when he was arrested. Rick Perry, brushed aside appeals from diplomats, top judges, senior military officers, the United Nations and former president George W Bush to stay Leal's execution because it could jeopardise American citizens arrested abroad as well as US diplomatic interests.

This man does not need to be President of the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/05/obama-stop-texas-mexican-execution

Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer

US president warns Texan authorities that execution would put America in breach of international legal obligations


Chris McGreal in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 5 July 2011 16.39 BST


President Barack Obama is attempting to block the execution in Texas on Thursday of a Mexican man because it would breach an international convention and do "irreparable harm" to US interests.

The White House has asked the US supreme court to put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death along with dozens of other foreign nationals who were denied proper access to diplomatic representation before trials for capital crimes.

The administration moved after the governor of Texas, Rick Perry, brushed aside appeals from diplomats, top judges, senior military officers, the United Nations and former president George W Bush to stay Leal's execution because it could jeopardise American citizens arrested abroad as well as US diplomatic interests.

 

[BearMagus]

If he's guilty let him die. Obama needs to worry about other things.

 

[jackoroe]

I love Texas! You've got an express line to the execution chamber!

This was the best line, though!

put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death

Good luck with that one!

Bottom line. He killed and raped. He needs to die for it according to Texas law. Obama needs to learn to mind his own business.

 

[CowboyBob]

Texas is bloodthirsty. Since 1976, Texas has executed 470 people.

Doesn't seen to stop crime as Texas has a high crime rate.

 

[construct]

I love Texas! You've got an express line to the execution chamber!

This was the best line, though!


Good luck with that one!

Bottom line. He killed and raped. He needs to die for it according to Texas law. Obama needs to learn to mind his own business.

The President is in the right on this one. Texas has no business getting the federal government into hot water in international affairs.

 

[hotatlboi]

Texas is bloodthirsty. Since 1976, Texas has executed 470 people.

Doesn't seen to stop crime as Texas has a high crime rate.

Indeed the Texas fascination with death is a bit morbid.

I'm confused though, why would Obama need to ask the Supreme Court, doesn't he have the power to just commute the sentence?

 

[jackoroe]

The President is in the right on this one. Texas has no business getting the federal government into hot water in international affairs.

The states are not bound by the agreement according to the article, only the Feds according to the article cited.

But in 2008 the supreme court ruled that while the US government was obliged to comply with the ICJ ruling it did not have the power to force individual American states to do so.

Don't kill and rape people in Texas and this won't be an issue. I've no pity for murderers, just their victims.

 

[Telstra]

why can't criminals work in jail for low pay and payback society?
Thats better than killing them.

 

[Lostlover]

I say execute the dickhead and then require that international standards are respected from here on out.

NEXT!

 

[construct]

The states are not bound by the agreement according to the article, only the Feds according to the article cited.



Don't kill and rape people in Texas and this won't be an issue. I've no pity for murderers, just their victims.

Well and good. I'm simply of a different opinion as to how Texas should proceed. Perhaps it's because I really do believe that the Geneva Convention should be upheld if at all possible. I believe it is within the power of the state of Texas to uphold it. I believe it is the right thing to do in this instance.

 

[hotatlboi]

I say execute the dickhead and then require that international standards are respected from here on out.

NEXT!

That makes absolutely no sense.

If respecting international standards is something we should do (I think it is), then we should do it now.

 

[construct]

why can't criminals work in jail for low pay and payback society?
Thats better than killing them.

You know that probably takes jobs away from people on the outside.

 

[CowboyBob]

You know that probably takes jobs away from people on the outside.

HA! Good one.

Yes, abolishing prisoner killing would be job killing.





(Don't you just love the way Republicans now attach the phrase "job killing" to everything they're against?)

 

[Lostlover]

That makes absolutely no sense.

If respecting international standards is something we should do (I think it is), then we should do it now.

Makes perfect sense.

This dickhead shouldn't live because of some clerical error.

 

[hotatlboi]

Makes perfect sense.

This dickhead shouldn't live because of some clerical error.

No it doesn't. You're saying we should respect international standards, except for this one time.

What makes this guy more deserving of death such that we need to make an exception for following international standards than when the next murderer who comes along?

 

[Seasoned]

In the end it is about guilty or not guilty not about guilt or innocence. Laws are established protecting the accused in the US and are followed to protect us all. Sorry, but lynching is illegal. If you can't get a conviction following the rule of law you legally can't convict.

"If he did it?!?"

Isn't that the point here?

I love it Rick Perry wants to save every fetus only to ironically kill some of them later in life. Is it too much to ask for consistency or is the Right strictly about punishing everyone it can?

 

[Lostlover]

No it doesn't. You're saying we should respect international standards, except for this one time.

What makes this guy more deserving of death such that we need to make an exception for following international standards than when the next murderer who comes along?

So you're saying he gets to live because of a clerical error?

GTFO.

 

[hotatlboi]

So you're saying he gets to live because of a clerical error?

GTFO.

Didn't you just say that's the way it should be, except for this one time?

Again, if so what makes this guy so much worse than any other murderer that we have to make an exception?

And I have no problem with people living, I'm opposed to the death penalty in general.

 

[construct]

What's all this talk about a "clerical error"? Is somebody saying that not allowing him to contact the Mexican embassy is a "clerical error"?

 

[construct]

In the end it is about guilty or not guilty not about guilt or innocence. Laws are established protecting the accused in the US and are followed to protect us all. Sorry, but lynching is illegal. If you can't get a conviction following the rule of law you legally can't convict.

"If he did it?!?"

Isn't that the point here?

I love it Rick Perry wants to save every fetus only to ironically kill some of them later in life. Is it too much to ask for consistency or is the Right strictly about punishing everyone it can?

And capital punishment is never mandatory under Texas law. Even though he has been found guilty under Texas law, he need not be put to death.