Obama wins - Edwards 2nd, Clinton 3rd it seems

[LiquidSky]

huckabee is proof that america is voting with their heads? how so?

he got elected by evangelicals in iowa who came out bigger than ever

he got elected cuz mitt romney misread iowans - using attack ads on huckabee and proving he is not to be trusted

he got elected cuz iowans told us that a person's religion is of paramount importance to them - 65% i heard

that's proof of voting with ur heads?

not in my book

I agree with you.

 

[JackFTwist]

"experience" means that someone must be a jaded member of the existing power structure to claim being "experienced"

G W Bush was experienced - he was not only a governor, he was essentially on the staff of an 8 year vice president and a 4 year president and W was well known as being his father's hatchet man which in a way mirrors the experience claim of a certain senator from New York not named Schumar - being the part of a dynastic family and a term elected with the help of a name and a political machine

Obama has demonstrated the great experience to unite people - look at the 2004 Illinois Senate race again - and look at all th new folks who came out and took part in the Iowa caucus

I am glad that Obama has the experiences he has and does not have the experience of being part of a family political dynasty that has a large stake in maintaining the status quo

 

[chance1]

"experience" means that someone must be a jaded member of the existing power structure to claim being "experienced"

G W Bush was experienced - he was not only a governor, he was essentially on the staff of an 8 year vice president and a 4 year president and W was well known as being his father's hatchet man which in a way mirrors the experience claim of a certain senator from New York not named Schumar - being the part of a dynastic family and a term elected with the help of a name and a political machine

Obama has demonstrated the great experience to unite people - look at the 2004 Illinois Senate race again - and look at all th new folks who came out and took part in the Iowa caucus

I am glad that Obama has the experiences he has and does not have the experience of being part of a family political dynasty that has a large stake in maintaining the status quo

i believe the "experience" concern is primarily foreign policy related - i do

obama's ability to unite people appears genuine and that will help on domestic matters i believe - some anyway

but on the war/foreign policy front, i much prefer someone who has been there/done that - hillary, mccain, biden types

unfortunately the world is a very dangerous place so this is critical

 

[JackFTwist]

but on the war/foreign policy front, i much prefer someone who has been there/done that - hillary, mccain, biden types

unfortunately the world is a very dangerous place so this is critical

Obama would be the first president who has actually lived overseas and also has spent considerable time in the global village

so he has a sense of the world that we've never had before and I think that is crucial these days

add to that his experience in Saul Alinsky's community building and we have someone who could actually understand and work with other countries and peoples

it is really want I want in a president regarding the world community and war and peace issues

 

[chance1]

Obama would be the first president who has actually lived overseas and also has spent considerable time in the global village

so he has a sense of the world that we've never had before and I think that is crucial these days

add to that his experience in Saul Alinsky's community building and we have someone who could actually understand and work with other countries and peoples

it is really want I want in a president regarding the world community and war and peace issues

let me rephrase then

i worry about obama being able to evaluate and make wartime/terror situation decisions

PERIOD

we're not in peacetime so the things ur referring to above r all well and good

but not really applicable or let's just say not as relevant

cuz of where we are at - right now

 

[JackFTwist]

let me rephrase then

i worry about obama being able to evaluate and make wartime/terror situation decisions

PERIOD

we're not in peacetime so the things ur referring to above r all well and good

but not really applicable or let's just say not as relevant

cuz of where we are at - right now

I will differ.

Bush's foreign policy was a continuation of his father's policy which was based on G HW Bush and his personal relationships with others. Which made his foreign policy so weak. W has continued that. W looked in the soul of Putin - for all the good that did. He holds hands with Saudi princes. And that guides Bush policy. Bush staked all on the exact wrong dude in Pakistan rather than seek a far more broader based Pakistan policy and now we are horribly locked in.

Clinton, what is her foreign policy experience. Official hostess? A continuation of herhusband's which while better than Bush being familiar with reality and not individuals still failed because we did not engage long term with others, only short term, and it was England-centered with T Blair as Clinton's lap dog - but the rest of the world was not so included.

Clinton has voted for every military thing to come down the pike. I am concerned she will use excessive military force just to prove she is tough since that reflects her voting record.

Outside of McCain, there are no republicans with the experience that you seek. nd I do not trust McCain's judgment.

I trust Obama's judgment. It is something that Eugene McCarthy spoke of in 68 - the limits of power. Knowing those limits means one may use power within those limits. A robust American foreign policy that is done in community with other nations - that I think is the way we need to go. Obama is no pacifist. He also is no militarist (as Clinton is). He is a realist. Imagine if we had a realist in the white hosue these past eight years.

We need Obama.

 

[smelter]

i worry about obama being able to evaluate and make wartime/terror situation decisions

PERIOD

I hope you're not suggesting that anyone could actually do worse than George W. Bush!

 

[chance1]

I hope you're not suggesting that anyone could actually do worse than George W. Bush!

I would trust GWB to make decisions about most foreign policy/terror situations than Obama

easy call for me

can't make apologies for the U.S. - we're not the bad guys

Obama's "I'm gonna meet our enemey leaders" on day 1 - remember when he said that in a debate - and Hillary rightfully said "woah - don't wanna get used there - not a good idea" and let's face it that was a very bad and revealing moment for him - naivete in full bloom - but of course it's been forgotten with obama-mania

great guy (it seems) - great orator - inspirationsl to many - great potential

President making foreign policy decisions - life and death decisions??

no way

 

[naked gent]

I would trust GWB to make decisions about most foreign policy/terror situations than Obama

easy call for me

chance I'd trust my mailman more than GWB.

He might do better and can't do worse.

 

[JackFTwist]

Obama's "I'm gonna meet our enemey leaders" on day 1 - remember when he said that in a debate - and Hillary rightfully said "woah - don't wanna get used there - not a good idea" and let's face it that was a very bad and revealing moment for him - naivete in full bloom - but of course it's been forgotten with obama-mania

There is a misquote here but yes Obama said he would meet with others in person or through the highest levels possible to talk with others.

That's wrong?

We want a president who will not communicate with others?

Oh we have that - and Clinton has said she will follow the Bush policy of not talking to anyone other than friends. Great.

The refusal to talk and listen has done our country such harm these past 8 years, that Bush/Clinton would be advocated is astounding.

Ir was Clinton who did try and restate her position he make it sound less like what it was - a continuation of he Bush "I won't talk I won't listen" strategy.

But I see where a president who listens scares people. A president who will talk with others to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts is surely scary. We are not used to having wisdom in the White House.

But with Obama is president you will get used to it.

 

[greydog]

I would trust GWB to make decisions about most foreign policy/terror situations than Obama

great guy (it seems) - great orator - inspirationsl to many - great potential

President making foreign policy decisions - life and death decisions??

no way

Oh, yeah...Bush foreign policy decisions ---rah, rah, rah!!!
...life and death decisions ---great job Mr. Bush..YEAH!!!
Maybe Huckabee, or Rommel er I mean Romney would do just as good a job
as JWB ---never talk to foreign leaders, they are evil...especially if you don't
know their names.

 

[Lostlover]

^^ Exactly!

Obama is a featherweight .. He is inexcusably naive and he's nearly 50 years old .. so it's not like he can claim "youth" as a reason for his incredible naivete.. he is not qualified to be president .. not now, and not likely ever, IMO. I hope we never see a day with him elected to the presidency.

What specifically makes Obama naive? Exactly what experience did Bush or Clinton have that Obama doesn't? I'd go out on a limb and so Obama is more cultured and smarter than Clinton because we know he's way past Bush in these areas.

I think this whole experience and "naive" talk is code for "I'm not ready for a black president but am ready for a know-nothing idiot just as long as he's white (Bush).".

Some people are so transparent.

 

[chance1]

Oh, yeah...Bush foreign policy decisions ---rah, rah, rah!!!
...life and death decisions ---great job Mr. Bush..YEAH!!!
Maybe Huckabee, or Rommel er I mean Romney would do just as good a job
as JWB ---never talk to foreign leaders, they are evil...especially if you don't
know their names.

Not saying he's the best of the best

I think as a leader of the military, GWB is solid - I frankly thing Don Rumsfeld (I know - GWB's hire) - is the architect of the lack of success in iraq - too few troops - period - mccain was right from day 1

gwb knows that dealing from strength is the way to go - having countries upset at us is fine - it is par for the course - u then repair those relationships - with countries that need us much more than we need them - gwb has not done well here

but obama? naive - at best

not looking to break in a newbie on foreign policy/security matters

hillary or mccain are much better choices

now that biden is out

 

[brettea79]

You can read Republican spin if you want, but you shouldn't believe it.

Fact is, Obama as an total unknown won the Democratic primary in 2004 -- that was the real upset. Illinois is a solid blue state, and after his speech at the '04 convention, I don't think his election was the fluke you make it out to be.

I also don't get all this hand-wringing about experience. We've elected two Presidents even younger than Obama, and they've turned out okay: T. Roosevelt and Kennedy. Eisenhower had no experience in elected office. Truman was an unknown minor senator and VP for just three months. Lincoln was a one term congressman. On the other hand, Hoover had plenty of experience, as did Bush the elder. Experience is nice, but hardly essential, and a poor predictor of Presidential performance.

The whole point of the Obama campaign is, sure, the others may have experience, but it's bad experience; it's the experience of getting us in the mess we're in.

Good point ...I always try to point out that two of our greatest presidents had limited experience. JFK and Honest Abe. People always ignore this when I bring it up. Then you look at Rumsfeld and Cheney, the most experienced men in Washington and they are despised for their poor desicions.

 

[White Eagle]

I would trust GWB to make decisions about most foreign policy/terror situations than Obama

easy call for me
--snip--

President making foreign policy decisions - life and death decisions??

no way

It's voters like this that are ok with boy georges "life and death decisions" that has over 4000 of our men and women dead and the whole world pissed off at us.
I'm beginning to watch Obama more closely than I have been. At first I was among the crowd that said he had no experience. Now I'm holding open my choice of flipflopping.... at any minute. Don't argue, it's my choice.

 

[brettea79]

It's voters like this that are ok with boy georges "life and death decisions" that has over 4000 of our men and women dead and the whole world pissed off at us.
I'm beginning to watch Obama more closely than I have been. At first I was among the crowd that said he had no experience. Now I'm holding open my choice of flipflopping.... at any minute. Don't argue, it's my choice.

Lets not forget it was a decision that 70% of America and many of our candidates supported.

 

[JackFTwist]

Fact is, Obama as an total unknown won the Democratic primary in 2004 -

or not

he had been a state senator who had also taken on Bobby Rush and lost but still showed guts in taking him on (and incidently Booby Rush has endorsed Obama so all is good there)

the conventional winner candidate in the 2004 primary was Dan Hynes, state controller elected twice statewide and the handsome young photogenic son of a Chicago machine politician - so Hynes had both his own charm, charisma, and record and state wide success behind him as well as the organization - conventional wisdom was Obama was a good guy, the best qualified, but a state senator could never beat a two time state wide winner like Hynes with all of Hynes other pluses - especially since Hynes would take the Chicago vote (as a Chicago native with support of machine) as well as the downstate vote that would never go for a black Chicagoan, and Hynes was such an attractive candidate -

Obama won every part of the state in the primary - easily

stunned everyone and delighted everyone

Obama did not become a star at the 2004 convention - he got the keynote speech because he had already become a force to be reckoned with in a key state and Kerry wanted to ride Obama's coattails in illinois - Obama may have been unknown to some but anyone watching politics in 2004 knew preconvention that Obama was the rising star and not as a celebrity star but as an experienced winner who appealed to the voters in astounding ways

also remember the republican nominee against Obama bailed because of a sex scandal and the Illinois republican party could not get one of its own to run against Obama - no Illinois republican would run against Obama - Obvama had them scared shitless - so the Illinois republican party imported Alan Keyes from New Jersey to run against Obama - and of course Jeyes was crushed by Obama in the election by a historic margin and Obama ran well ahead of everyone else, well ahead, state wide, well ahead

Obama is a Democrat who wins when no one expects and scares the republicans into inaction

Obama is the real thing and those who haven't caught on yet, they will catch on

 

[Centexfarmer]

Well, as a Texas Democrat, who won't be able to vote in any sort of primary until March 4, 2008, I've already decided that I will heartily support whoever the Democratic Party nominee happens to be by then.

Right now, I'm not disappointed in any of the options.

I am disappointed that the rest of the Democrat's voices will most likely be drowned out in the den that is to become NH and SC. *sigh*

 

[chance1]

It's voters like this that are ok with boy georges "life and death decisions" that has over 4000 of our men and women dead and the whole world pissed off at us.
I'm beginning to watch Obama more closely than I have been. At first I was among the crowd that said he had no experience. Now I'm holding open my choice of flipflopping.... at any minute. Don't argue, it's my choice.

u have no clue about foreign policy - it is beyond ur understanding

i don't pretend to totally understand

so we're kinda in the same boat

difference is i don't irresponsibly throw stones at the pres saying that HE is responsible for 4000 deaths

and need i remind u that many dem leaders supported the decision to go to iraq - old story i know - but a damn good one - despite their/your attempt to wiggle out of it

oh yeah i remember - john edwards apologized for his vote - what a jerk

but a President has to make tough decisions - and i want a president who can make those decisions w/o worrying about polls - i give gwb credit for sticking with the surge - and btw it's working

as for obama talking with enemy leaders from iran and no. korea - man his whole attitude about this is lame - it cries out "im a newb" - "take advantage of me" and it suggests a lack of understanding that is frankly, very scary

 

[JackFTwist]

<clip> I will heartily support whoever the Democratic Party nominee happens to be <clip>

I'm not disappointed in any of the options. <clip>

yep

I like some more than others but whoever it is will have my support as I have said many times