Obamacare and the Horror Stories

[CowboyBob]

I think it's actually spelled WISCONSIN...

AHA! Maybe that's why he couldn't register.

I've been to Milvaukey, Maddison and Gleen Bae.

 

[CowboyBob]

Anyways play on people... this topic will be the main issue for the next two months until the republicans shutdown our government again.

They've forgotten about BENGHAZI for a while... at least until Hillary runs for President.... but they're back on the deficit. The Fox talking heads were mouthing off about that half of this morning. They need to criticize.

 

[xbuzzerx]

They've forgotten about BENGHAZI

Never forget.

 

[CowboyBob]

Never forget.

four dead Americans.....

..... whatever their names are.....

 

[Jack Springer]

As of yesterday, in the 14 states reporting to the CNN poll 257,000 people have signed up. The expectation is that 500,000 families and individuals will have signed up by the end of this month.

Poor Jack. Why do you not want people to be able to get healthcare?

Sorry but Kitty Kat does not know how many people have signed up. If she doesn't have access to that information then I doubt CNN does.

 

[Jack Springer]

Before the web site opened, the President said there would be glitches at first. All major programs have them. But because of the glitches the right wing is running around, flailing their arms in the air screaming hysterically what a failure Obamacare is.

He also mentioned when people get used to it and discover they like it, they won't call it Obamacare anymore.

As a sheep you'd follow him off a cliff bob ... so nothing new here. You also said early on that there was so much traffic that the site was not working correctly ... we all found out that was humongous lie.

 

[Sausy]

Not just glitches... it's a huge flaw in the site's design. Appears that insurers are already giving out fucked up information. That after all this time to prepare, this much shit has happened and yet there are those here on the left who act as if the Tea Party were the only bullshit spewing thing around? There should have been a delay in the individual mandates, fuck this whole thing needs major reworking if not a complete alternative. It is too expansive and unwieldy, and if it was worth merit should have been tried out on a test basis, limited in scope and impact being dumped on the public. Enough about the right wing.. it's awful policy and while the defunding stunt just was a bad idea since it had no practical chance of success, and put the whole country in a terrible situation with the default threat were briefly hanging on... there is no doubt that ultimately, they and any other skeptics of the "Affordable" Healthcare Act will be proven much more on the money than its blissfully oblivious defenders.

 

[Benvolio]

The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.

 

[Sausy]

The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.

It's too fraught with inherent design flaws... to be successful it has to get its act together far quicker and more cohesively than it looks possible. The problem with the Tea Party right is their inability to show the political instincts of an organization capable of governance. A party, or faction of a party, that just exists as a barrier won't work. The numbers neither favor a strong mandate for "conservative" OR " liberal" social engineering anyway nor should we be a nation putting ideology over function. if the Tea Party was able to craft a viable option it could sell to the public, they wouldn't have put themselves in the hole they are now. Fortunately Obamacare is already showing itself to be much more akin to the disaster they ascribed it to be... but the truth about the Tea Party is they are less reformists and fiscal watchdogs but LARGELY vanguards of a social conservative Christian vision in disguise. And America would correctly, and should.. reject that.

 

[xbuzzerx]

It's too fraught with inherent design flaws... to be successful it has to get its act together far quicker and more cohesively than it looks possible. The problem with the Tea Party right is their inability to show the political instincts of an organization capable of governance. A party, or faction of a party, that just exists as a barrier won't work. The numbers neither favor a strong mandate for "conservative" OR " liberal" social engineering anyway nor should we be a nation putting ideology over function. if the Tea Party was able to craft a viable option it could sell to the public, they wouldn't have put themselves in the hole they are now. Fortunately Obamacare is already showing itself to be much more akin to the disaster they ascribed it to be... but the truth about the Tea Party is they are less reformists and fiscal watchdogs but LARGELY vanguards of a social conservative Christian vision in disguise. And America would correctly, and should.. reject that.

I don't understand how someone could argue with a straight face that Obamacare is an inherently flawed design when all it is is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

Calling it an inherent failure is calling the whole private healthcare system an inherent failure, in which case, welcome to being a liberal.

 

[Rolyo85]

The biggest danger is that Obamacare will be successful, inducing people to rely upon it, just before the Chinese stop giving us the money for it.

Yes, we know that Obamacare being successful, is the Republicans' biggest nightmare.

 

[Jack Springer]

I don't understand how someone could argue with a straight face that Obamacare is an inherently flawed design when all it is is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

Calling it an inherent failure is calling the whole private healthcare system an inherent failure, in which case, welcome to being a liberal.

The PPACA covers much more .. like maternity coverage for people who don't need it. Instead of creating a monster that will control 1/5 of our economy -- why not just change the things like covering pre-exisiting conditions, creating inter-state insurance commerce -- you would have economical insurance reform .... now we have a monster that will cost everyone more money and make it hard for many to pay for insurance.

Side note: ... Mizzou is currently crushing Florida near halftime.

 

[JayHawk]

Not just glitches... it's a huge flaw in the site's design. Appears that insurers are already giving out fucked up information. That after all this time to prepare, this much shit has happened and yet there are those here on the left who act as if the Tea Party were the only bullshit spewing thing around? There should have been a delay in the individual mandates, fuck this whole thing needs major reworking if not a complete alternative. It is too expansive and unwieldy, and if it was worth merit should have been tried out on a test basis, limited in scope and impact being dumped on the public. Enough about the right wing.. it's awful policy and while the defunding stunt just was a bad idea since it had no practical chance of success, and put the whole country in a terrible situation with the default threat were briefly hanging on... there is no doubt that ultimately, they and any other skeptics of the "Affordable" Healthcare Act will be proven much more on the money than its blissfully oblivious defenders.

Source of some sort..... anything Bueller?? Bueller?

 

[JayHawk]

The horror that must exist if Perry is now forced to send folks the ACA way...

Rick Perry’s administration is now encouraging people to sign up for Obamacare

I recognize that Perry hopes it is a shitstorm and then they can reintroduce a much cheaper plan than the one previous. If they do anything at all. Republicans in Texas seem to enjoy people suffering. Still it is weird to see a dude who ran for the opposition to the health care law last year, push the same law this year.

 

[justdra]

I finally got signed in after a couple of days, its very irritating and I'm impatient, so it doesn't mix well. I was just wanting to actually see if I could get logged in compare prices. Everything went well until I seen the prices and forgot it was based on income, it was almost 4x what i pay now so I will be keeping my insurance, lol. I guess they use your SS# to pull up your W2 to verify your income so you don't make any false claims. People still have 5 more months, I would wait until after the new year if was going to actually sign up, hopefully some of the bugs would be worked out by then, if not, they extend the enrollment date. I have a hard time believing some of the states who are against it will try to help out it citizens wanting to apply unless its something in it for them. If you are not computer literate, your best bet is to get someone who is to help you.

 

[opinterph]

How did the author of the article shop for insurance for someone else without committing fraud?

… He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.

I do agree that they should allow anonymous shopping

The website has been updated allowing visitors to browse anonymously to compare plans and premiums. (I tested that option with success.)

[Setting up an account is] no longer a precondition for browsing, but for shopping seriously, it is.

Glitches far from fixed for online insurance exchange shoppers (PBS Newshour; Oct. 18, 2013)​

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[opinterph]

A true horror story is the HMO deciding you can't have that treatment, the HMO telling you that you can't [go] to a specialist.

[Obamacare] is private health insurance like the kind we already had--- except that now it has to cover more, and can't drop you for pre-existing conditions.

Some of the plans available through the exchanges are also HMOs.

If You Loathed HMOs, You're Not Going to Like Obamacare (Real Clear Politics, Scott Gottlieb MD; September 25, 2013)​

 

[JayHawk]

Thanks Opi... I have insurance so wasnt looking for anything specific on rates.

So my rate is 119 a month for catastrophic coverage OR 227 a month for Platinum..... HOLY SHIT that is cheap.

My Mother who is a 63 year old Tobacco user at 125% the poverty level qualifies for 96% subsidy for her insurance BUT the plan cost for a Platinum is only 388 which is around five hundred cheaper than anything else I have looked at with her pre-existing conditions. The 96% coverage subsidy would cop to 372 a month so she can get the best offered health plan for 16 dollars a month.

If all this pans out the way it just showed me then the ACA is fucking amazing.

 

[Kulindahr]

To Cowboy Bob

It must be easy for you to sit there all judgemental while the talking heads you listen to only tell the positive stories of the ACA roll out and then use some of the most extreme scenarios of 'horror stories' to try to lessen others arguments

How about a 64 year old man with pre-existing health conditions, who is losing his HMO at the end of the year because of ACA. Spending the last 2 and a half weeks trying to sign up on the healthcare.gov website to get his insurance set up ahead of time. Only to be told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID. And in 4-6 weeks he can expect a password to get back onto the site, He couldn't even scout out the policies on the site ahead of signing up to the website because you have to become a member to do that. God forbid someone actually might want to shop around for *GASP* health insurance.

Did you make that up?

 

[opinterph]

… told by the website that there is no proof that he exists and that he must send a photo copy, front and back of his ID (RACISM!!) and SS ID.

How exactly is requiring a photo copy of an I.D. racism?

Remember, the Democrats [falsely] claim that poor people cannot afford IDs to vote, but now the Dems require an ID to get Obamacare. Oh! The hypocrisy of it all!

To the extent that requiring voter ID constitutes racism, I think there is adequate rationale to apply the same principle to a requirement for ID in order to obtain health insurance. Everyone knows that voting is not a privilege, but a right afforded to all citizens.

… health insurance isn’t a privilege – it is your right. – President Barack Obama

WEEKLY ADDRESS: Working to Implement the Affordable Care Act (The White House; August 17, 2013)

As all Americans realize by now, obtaining identification is extremely difficult for some. In fact, if one is asked to provide identification at a polling place in order to vote, many believe that it is a form of voter disenfranchisement.

Will identification requirements for ObamaCare keep people from enrolling? (examiner.com; September 18, 2013)​