ObamaCare creator says Democrats were stupid to accept it.

[Vitamin]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Governors do not pass laws, legislators do. Back to 5th grade civics class for you.When was the last the Republicans controlled either house of the Mass. Legislature?

Oh please, Mitt Romney had no problem with the healthcare plan until he ran for President. Accept that Romney backtracked for political reasons, and move on, Ben.

 

[T-Rexx]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Governors do not pass laws, legislators do. Back to 5th grade civics class for you.When was the last the Republicans controlled either house of the Mass. Legislature?

So, your story is that Mitt Romney proposed legislation about which he had no conception, written by friends of his with whom he did not communicate. He traveled around the state arguing on behalf of the bill, despite the fact he knew nothing about it. He vetoed portions of the bill (while passing other portions of that same bill) at random, because he had no understanding of what he was passing or vetoing at the time he did it. He paid consultants like John Gruber to assess the economic impact that his legislation would have on the state, but never bothered to read any of the reports they wrote. Then, when all was said and done, he proudly took credit for a bill which the Democratic legislature duped him into introducing and signing, without any clue on his part of what he was doing.

I guess that does pretty much sound like a Republican nominee for president.

 

[Benvolio]

Oh please, Mitt Romney had no problem with the healthcare plan until he ran for President. Accept that Romney backtracked for political reasons, and move on, Ben.

The Republicans did not PASS the bill.

 

[Kabluey]

Looking back at the instigation of the Massachusetts scheme, a Democrat senate president called the need for it, and Governor Romney declared a plan for to cover the uninsured.
The outcome was a compromise, but one that Romney was an architect of nonetheless.

I imagine that there are many consultants who will gleefully tell tales about how silly politicians are for accepting their advice around auto manufacturer bailouts, aerospace contracts and bank bailouts. It's up to politicians to take a balanced view of available data when forming decisions.

Besides that, it appears that the stupidity he was talking about was that of voters who refuse to allow anything they pay towards (tax or insurance) to benefit others who are sick and poor.

 

[T-Rexx]

The Republicans did not PASS the bill.

That's true. They just wrote it, promoted it, and voted for it.

 

[T-Rexx]

Besides that, it appears that the stupidity he was talking about was that of voters who refuse to allow anything they pay towards (tax or insurance) to benefit others who are sick and poor.

That point bears emphasizing.

The main thing that Gruber has claimed is that Americans did not vote for Obamacare because it enabled more people to be covered by health insurance, but because it reduced their own premiums. He is quite cynical regarding the American voter. He believes that we always act in self-interest - that we would never have passed Obamacare in order to help other people.

He is quite wrong about that, of course. We are not as callous a people as Gruber believes. I'm not sure why that matters to Republicans, however. Their own non-plan for healthcare is the non-free market. Which is far, far more cynical than anything Gruber has said.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

If you were analytical, you would realize that my statement was literally correct. I said there are 6 billion people, and indeed there are. I did not say there are ONLY 6 million. There are 6 million and a lot more. We cannot give free health care to the 6 million, much less 7 million.
I am so flattered that my posts are so diligently and microscopically perused by my followers,

No your statement is pointless as you went into la~la land again. We are not talking about the whole world. This thread is about the USA and healthcare. How ridiculous to morph the discussion into every nation on the Globe.
Weak and diluted best spells this out.

 

[Benvolio]

No your statement is pointless as you went into la~la land again. We are not talking about the whole world. This thread is about the USA and healthcare. How ridiculous to morph the discussion into every nation on the Globe.
Weak and diluted best spells this out.

As always, you do not understand. I was responding to this screech by evenrick:"The most disgusting people on earth are those who are against giving healthcare to the uninsured. They have no part in rational debate, are soulless repugnant indifferent losers. Those that believe that healthcare is not a human right then should have to live without access to it themselves. Will they take the no healthcare challenge? No, they'll just continue to be the festering leeches of society."

I then pointed out that by this reasoning the entire population of the world is entitled to health care at my expense. If I am a disgusting soulless person--or "devil worshiper", his words-- for not wanting to sacrifice my savings and income to give free healthcare to the welfare and immigrant classes, the border is irrelevant to that thinking. The people outside the border have as much "right" to everything free at my expense as those who have stepped over it.