Obama's 'Blame Bush' strategy

[palemale]

No, no it hasn't. The fact that jobs are continuing to be lost, and more people than ever are giving up on even looking, should tell you that. Jobs are not separate from the recovery.

Job losses have been the result of lay off of census workers. Private sector jobs have increase, but by too small an amount to offset layoff of government workers.

 

[JB3]

Job losses have been the result of lay off of census workers. Private sector jobs have increase, but by too small an amount to offset layoff of government workers.

Here's the problem; the job gains can't even keep up with population growth, let alone make any impact whatsoever on the market. So even though a meager amount of jobs are being added, its so insignificant that the economy doesn't see them as jobs being added at all.

One interesting thing to note as well; with the July numbers, the government actually revised May and June DOWN. Instead of losing 125,000 in June, the economy lost 221,000. May was revised down by a less significant 1,000 jobs, but it still doesn't paint a rosy picture, and certainly not the picture of an economy doing anything except stagnating.

 

[JB3]

end of clinton admin--- budget surplus

end of bush admin--- largest deficit in history upon leaving office and a reccesion in full swing.

this is Bush's recession and history will record it as such. the ridiculous rebates and tax cuts as simultaneously blowing up the budget through HUGE unpaid for war spending, done off the books in separate bills to evade anti deficit laws.

His actions were willful and he knew what his choices would bring. He was more interested in imediate power than history or our children's future.

SO yeah.. put the blame where it belongs.

On dumb fuck Bush's retarded drug adicted shoulders.

oh and just in case I wasn't clear about my feelings....

FUCK BUSH AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON

Here's a good evaluation of the tax mess, and the bursting of the bubble that was Clinton's surplus.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38595223/ns/business-bloomberg_businessweek/

 

[koontzfanwv]

I voted green party in the last one.

Romney trotted out in front of the cameras at least twice a week telling people what he was doing, and while his actions by and large were stupid, at least we knew what was going on.

the new governor can't be seen unless theres a firedrill at the capital house..lol

I want a third party option and I hope we have a viable third party option. Remember, I am a non affiliated voter with extreme hostility towards the republicans for their antigay agenda. Until the republcian party changes its position on gay rights, I will continue to work to put people in office in massachusetts that will continue and uphold the gay rights advances we have made.

its that simple.

as for the national election? I feel the same way. Until the republicans disavow the racist and homophobic ellements of their conservative coalition, and promise to help, not hinder gay rights, I will fight anything that gives them more power.

and telling people that this recession is the BUSH recession is important to that end.

Voting democratic candidates into office if they are the only other real option is important to that end.

I am a dedicated radical gay rights activist. I am proud of that.

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

 

[laikaNYC]

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

^^^ Quoted for truth

This also applies to rareboy, jockboy and MercuryJones

 

[BostonPirate]

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

and yet I live in a state that has all the protections for gays afforded to heterosexual couples and individuals.

your theories may sound nifty, but the truth is that the republicans are waging a culture war against gay people and it's not even a real thing for them. We are just easy to kick to get votes because we are unpopular and misunderstood.

I have repeated this ad nauseam, and I will do it again.

Non affiliated voter with priorities in this order...

1 personal... candidate MUST be progay to get my vote and not affiliated with anyone that is antigay

2 national.. strong economy, national defence and infrastucture.

3. international.. must improve our relationships with the other nations of the world through peaceful methods.

I guarantee you if the gays of any state mass together, insist on equality, and never support anyone that goes against their personal civil rights needs, then gays would have anti hate legislationand gay marriage from coast to coast by now.

New England has all the states that have gay marriage, except for california...BRAVO GUYS, because we have a real memory of what the founding fathers were, what they did, how they did it, and what it means to be truly free. patricj henry didn't say give me liberty or you just wait till i come over for dinner and tell your wife over dessert how bad a friend you were.

he said give me liberty or give me death. Period. No debate. No backing down and none SHOULD have been required. He wanted equal rights under the laws of the king or he wanted liberty to get those for himself by supporting an independent nation.

Now... the republican party as an institution is deeply seeped in anti gay agendas and rhetoric, and they deserve to be hated by anyone that has any respect for the principles of america.

I am not going to ever pretend to have anything but gross disgust for them and as I have freedom of speech, you should expect to hear it from me ona regular basis.

that does not make me a democrat, as I seek independent candidates at all times and I vote for them when I can as well, just because I want a new second party to rise up to replace the republicans in the system. I want nothing BUT their complete anhialation, and I will never apologize for it or be shamed with finger waggingfrom closeted conservatives posting on a gay porn site who tell me otherwise.

save the breath and time for someone else.

If I am a stereotype it is the hippie protester who has LEARNED that protest and civil disobedience DOES work, is VERY AMERICAN and has worked hard to earn the right to marry, have all protections from hate crimes and protection from prejudice inthe workplace basedon sexual preference as a citizen of the commonwealth of Massachuestts.

You?

you just get in my way.

now heres my message to you....

either lead or get out of the way, because placating an enemy has never done anything but embolden them. If that makes you uncomfortable then maybe you need to get your priorities in order.

Me? i am living a free live as a result of the actions of thousands of massachusans who feel just as I do and actually got up off the couch and made it happen.

so... FUCK the republicans and FUCK the horse they rode in on.

 

[philusmc]

Her personally didn't say it, but his economists did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1246453205-4dV5JZgWfIfb9xDR4BDH9g

SO WHAT. Just to remind you friend, when GW left office he left an economy that was a heartbeat away from complete failure -- a depression like we've never seen. Obamba, in spite of the do-nothing GOP idiots, made bold and courageous moves to stop the decline. It worked. Would have worked a lot better if the GOP had met him half way to help the nation through this catastrophic mess. NO, they chose to DO NOTHING. Yeah, the unemployment (and sadly) is hoverning around 9.5%. Just think what it would have been if GW had 4 more years or if McDummerDorf McCain and the half term governor from Alaska had been elected. It would be hitting 20% or higher. Our nation would have completely failed.

SO GIVE THE MAN A BREAK. HE'S AT LEAST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

 

[palemale]

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

What is wrong with being intolerant of political views that would deny any person basic civil rights? That's what the majority of conservatives who oppose full equality for the LGBT community do. Even worse, they use that particular form of bigotry to win the votes of ignorant people by fomenting hatred against us. What is it you think BP misunderstands about conservatives? There is a big difference between disliking people because of their sexual orientation (or race, ethnicity, religion, etc), and disliking political views.

You do understand that those of us who criticize conservatives do not advocate denying them basic civil rights, don't you?

 

[rareboy]

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

If more people had questioned Hitler or Mussolini or Hirohito, who knows how history would turn out.

As Boston said.

Appeasement is just a license to proceed.

History is pretty clear on this.

I am anything but a radical foaming at the mouth. I have served on boards of national organizations that were related to AIDS when some of you were still putting lipstick on your power ranger dolls.

I remember Stonewall.

 

[laikaNYC]

If more people had questioned Hitler or Mussolini or Hirohito, who knows how history would turn out.

As Boston said.

Appeasement is just a license to proceed.

History is pretty clear on this.

I am anything but a radical foaming at the mouth. I have served on boards of national organizations that were related to AIDS when some of you were still putting lipstick on your power ranger dolls.

I remember Stonewall.

You're comparing Bush, who was democratically elected, to military dictators?

 

[Kulindahr]

What we need as gay men is a gay right's activist that conveys honest tolerant opinions without using hate and hypocrisy as a means to further our cause. You,BP remind me of the very people who spew hatred towards the homosexual community. You don't understand conservatism so you bash it and Republicans out of ignorance.For example,i don't see you spewing hatred towards Jimmy Carter for his anti gay marriage demonstrations in California re Prop 8. If we are going to bash then let's bash people with intelligence based on individual acts not based on party affiliation as a whole.To stereotype is to set our agendas back not foward. We must never become like the people who hate us based on stereotyping not individuality.

Jimmy Carter must not have made much of an impact -- this is the first I've heard of him being there.

Besides that, Carter is not a political party with a platform dedicated to depriving people of their God-given rights -- in the name of God. He's not an organization focused on turning the nation into a theocracy. He's not a nation-wide outfit constantly using hate to generate support. He hasn't, as far as I know, made official statements saying that all gays and lesbians should be arrested and sent to prison.

The Republican Party is all those things. Any Republicans who don't agree should switch and be Libertarians.

 

[Kulindahr]

You're comparing Bush, who was democratically elected, to military dictators?

Rareboy said "Hitler or Mussolini or Hirohito".

You said "military dictators".





Someone needs some history lessons.

 

[laikaNYC]

Rareboy said "Hitler or Mussolini or Hirohito".

You said "military dictators".





Someone needs some history lessons.

How many leadership elections did Mussolini and Hitler offer the people after they took power? None.

 

[palemale]

You're comparing Bush, who was democratically elected, to military dictators?

Please point out where Rareboy compared Bush to military dictators. Also, are you not aware that Hitler came to power as a result of a democratic election in accord with the constitution of the Weimar Republic?

 

[rareboy]

I suspect that after yesterday, most people on the site have Laika on ignore by now so there won't be many replies to his postings on many threads.

While I am not ignoring Laika or Coolkid, I'm just not bothering to respond to their posts anymore and intend to only engage in discussion with the serious posters, including conservatives, who have thought provoking and interesting opinions to offer.

I would suggest that others might follow this approach.

It won't be long before they get bored and go off to other sites to troll, just like Justapixel.

Oh, and just to clarify, I meant questioning the social policies of the three mentioned. Two had extremely conservative and narrow ideas of how homosexuals, Jews and Poles, Slavs and Gypsies should fit into society.

But the only thing that made it all possible was the acquiescence of the conservative population.

Such a fine line separates us from repeating the same mistakes.

 

[BostonPirate]

Any Republicans who don't agree should switch and be Libertarians.

if the libertarians would break ties with the teaboys and the repubs and get those libertarians to organize I strongly believe that they could become the second party, and toss the republicans out of the two party system entirely.

I have issues with the libertarians, but I find them much more likely to carry the role of loyal opposition and work for the people in a way that could get them real power.

I would pick a libertarian any day over a republican. It doesn't take even a seconds thought to see that one, the libertarians, seek to change and one, the republicans, seek to disrupt.

half of the people registered republicans are really libertarians by todays standards. Why they don't vote and participate in that way is beyond me.

 

[koontzfanwv]

What is wrong with being intolerant of political views that would deny any person basic civil rights? That's what the majority of conservatives who oppose full equality for the LGBT community do. Even worse, they use that particular form of bigotry to win the votes of ignorant people by fomenting hatred against us. What is it you think BP misunderstands about conservatives? There is a big difference between disliking people because of their sexual orientation (or race, ethnicity, religion, etc), and disliking political views.

You do understand that those of us who criticize conservatives do not advocate denying them basic civil rights, don't you?

What i understand is that you seem to think Conservatism means anti gay. There are many reasons to be conservative on issues that have nothing to do with gay rights. I'm very conservative on US security and keeping this country safe and can be very liberal on gay marriage at the same time.I'm an American first,a gay American second. I also won't be too thrilled about states that claim gay marriage is"recognized" within their boundries. Recognized by the state of Massachusetts for example is simply putting gay men and women in a cage. If you leave the cage the leftwing judges set up for you by crossing state lines then your marriage is suddenly invalid.That in reality isn't marriage,what it is ,is a leash.Homosexuals should continue to fight for true national gay marriage and not be fooled by these obnoxious judges who sadly have fooled many into thinking they're helping,when in reality they're keeping you happy by doing nothing. We aren't their pets. I feel a little similar by affirmative action which is the governament telling minorities they can't get a job without their help.You don't fight racism with racism. Boston asked me about myself. Boston,i just lost a great friend,an 88 yr old woman that was a staunch Republican who knew i was gay. She loved for who i am. She didn't care at all that was gay. Yet in my apt building near the nursing home Edna resided,i hear a bunch of Democrats who don't know i'm gay,constantly using the words queer,fag etc in ways that hurt me very much. Hatred goes way beyond party affiliation.Believe me,i know firsthand.

 

[philusmc]

What i understand is that you seem to think Conservatism means anti gay. There are many reasons to be conservative on issues that have nothing to do with gay rights. I'm very conservative on US security and keeping this country safe and can be very liberal on gay marriage at the same time.I'm an American first,a gay American second. I also won't be too thrilled about states that claim gay marriage is"recognized" within their boundries. Recognized by the state of Massachusetts for example is simply putting gay men and women in a cage. If you leave the cage the leftwing judges set up for you by crossing state lines then your marriage is suddenly invalid.That in reality isn't marriage,what it is ,is a leash.Homosexuals should continue to fight for true national gay marriage and not be fooled by these obnoxious judges who sadly have fooled many into thinking they're helping,when in reality they're keeping you happy by doing nothing. We aren't their pets. I feel a little similar by affirmative action which is the governament telling minorities they can't get a job without their help.You don't fight racism with racism. Boston asked me about myself. Boston,i just lost a great friend,an 88 yr old woman that was a staunch Republican who knew i was gay. She loved for who i am. She didn't care at all that was gay. Yet in my apt building near the nursing home Edna resided,i hear a bunch of Democrats who don't know i'm gay,constantly using the words queer,fag etc in ways that hurt me very much. Hatred goes way beyond party affiliation.Believe me,i know firsthand.

Equal rights struggles -- be them racial equality or equal rights for gay americans, are done slowly a step at a time. Sometimes one step forward then two back, but eventually equality is achieved. Racial equality has come along way but the journey is not complete. Rights for gays have improved too, no where near what ultimately we will achieve but there is constant positive improvement. That struggle for rights for gays is obstructed not by the democractic caucus and members (sometimes not helped as much as they could) but it is obstructed by the republicans who by and large hate gays. You may find one or two that are not but when you look at them as a block of influence -- that block is squarely against you. Don't give up and don't give in.

 

[rareboy]

Boston,i just lost a great friend,an 88 yr old woman that was a staunch Republican who knew i was gay. She loved for who i am. She didn't care at all that was gay. Yet in my apt building near the nursing home Edna resided,i hear a bunch of Democrats who don't know i'm gay,constantly using the words queer,fag etc in ways that hurt me very much. Hatred goes way beyond party affiliation.Believe me,i know firsthand.

No one is going to argue that individuals of any political persuasion are going to have their own opinions. You can find wonderful people or asshats anywhere.

What is important though, is the party platform stand on issues.

When politicians bring their own personal opinions into the mix; when parties espouse systemic oppression by denying citizens their rights, that is way more hateful then some democrat calling you a fag.

BTW. How do you know that those guys apparently hanging around the street corner near Edna's don't include a republican or two?

 

[palemale]

What i understand is that you seem to think Conservatism means anti gay. There are many reasons to be conservative on issues that have nothing to do with gay rights. I'm very conservative on US security and keeping this country safe and can be very liberal on gay marriage at the same time.I'm an American first,a gay American second. I also won't be too thrilled about states that claim gay marriage is"recognized" within their boundries. Recognized by the state of Massachusetts for example is simply putting gay men and women in a cage. If you leave the cage the leftwing judges set up for you by crossing state lines then your marriage is suddenly invalid.That in reality isn't marriage,what it is ,is a leash.Homosexuals should continue to fight for true national gay marriage and not be fooled by these obnoxious judges who sadly have fooled many into thinking they're helping,when in reality they're keeping you happy by doing nothing. We aren't their pets. I feel a little similar by affirmative action which is the governament telling minorities they can't get a job without their help.You don't fight racism with racism. Boston asked me about myself. Boston,i just lost a great friend,an 88 yr old woman that was a staunch Republican who knew i was gay. She loved for who i am. She didn't care at all that was gay. Yet in my apt building near the nursing home Edna resided,i hear a bunch of Democrats who don't know i'm gay,constantly using the words queer,fag etc in ways that hurt me very much. Hatred goes way beyond party affiliation.Believe me,i know firsthand.

I do not equate being conservative with being anti-gay. Ted Olson is proof of that, as is Dick Cheney. I believe that when the New Jersey legislature recently voted on gay marriage, a couple of Republicans voted in favor and some Democrats were opposed. My problem is that conservative Republicans are so cynical that they use anti-gay sentiment to treat gay rights as a wedge issue to win votes.

I think many Republicans are not particularly anti-gay, even ones that profess anti-gay beliefs. That, to me, is worse than being anti-gay because the person doing it is advancing a harmful political position they don't believe in for political gain at the expense of other people. I have more respect for someone with sincere (if misguided) religious beliefs that are anti-gay than a politician who is personally not anti-gay, but advances anti-gay policies for political advantage.

I find Newt Gingrich to be particularly reprehensible because he has no moral compass, a lesbian sister, and professes anti-gay non-sense.