Obama's Speech (07/25/11)

[BostonPirate]

Congress never bothered to so much as promulgate a budget last year, never mind passing one. Had they actually bothered to do so, they would have ensured adequate funding to pay for it, including raising the debt ceiling.

I seem to recall the democrats running Congress last year, right?

you say this all the time, and its as if the NEXT time you say it, somehow we will have become stupid enough to have forgotten the fillibusters that went on nonstop in the senate. NOTHING was above or bellow a filibuster so long as Obama is president.

That argument doesn't really hold water.

Now there is reason to think that Obama should have called on america sooner in this argument, but no one doubts in america how we got to this point.

Indeed, going through the Quinnipiac poll, there’s not much in the way of good news for Republicans. Of particular significance, 67% of the public wants a debt-reduction agreement that includes tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations, not just spending cuts. Just 25% agree with the position demanded by the congressional GOP.

What’s more, the public is even on board with Democratic frames — a plurality see President Obama’s proposals raise revenues as “closing loopholes,” not “tax hikes.”

Also of interest, by a two-to-one margin, Americans blame George W. Bush for the state of the economy, not President Obama. This is consistent with three other recent national polls, all of which show the American mainstream not inclined to blame the president for the weak economy.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/public_rejects_gop_on_debt_bla030865.php

 

[BostonPirate]

The white house announced today that the exec branch will veto the Boehner plan. IT is being noted, that he intimated it last night, but he sent that message through other channels in exact terms. Apparently the whitehouse doesn't think it will have to. There is doubt that it could get past the Senate now that both REID and Mitchell came out against it today.

 

[jackoroe]

you say this all the time, and its as if the NEXT time you say it, somehow we will have become stupid enough to have forgotten the fillibusters that went on nonstop in the senate. NOTHING was above or bellow a filibuster so long as Obama is president.

That argument doesn't really hold water.

Now there is reason to think that Obama should have called on america sooner in this argument, but no one doubts in america how we got to this point.



http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/public_rejects_gop_on_debt_bla030865.php

It's not an argument, but a statement of fact. Please cite for us, the republican who filibustered against the non existent democrat sponsored budget.

Or do you deny that a budget, had one existed, would have identified funding sources for what needed to be spent?

Had the democrats simply done their Constitutional duty, we wouldn't be where we are today. If we can blame Bush 2 1/2 years after he left office, we can certainly blame many of the people ran the show seven short months ago.

 

[BostonPirate]

It's not an argument, but a statement of fact. Please cite for us, the republican who filibustered against the non existent democrat sponsored budget.

Or do you deny that a budget, had one existed, would have identified funding sources for what needed to be spent?

Had the democrats simply done their Constitutional duty, we wouldn't be where we are today. If we can blame Bush 2 1/2 years after he left office, we can certainly blame many of the people ran the show seven short months ago.

so you are saying that we have no budget for 2011?

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy11/pdf/budget.pdf

We all know who drove the country off the cliff, who is trying to fix things, and who is obstructing that process.

THeres alot of GOP misinformation currently being accepted by well meaning people, when they OUGHT to be asking questions.

this is what the senate GOP said about that document and why we didn't tax the rich at THAT point, even though the majority of americans wanted them to be

All 42 Senate Republicans have signed a letter refusing to vote for cloture on any bill before the Senate until the federal government is funded beyond this week and the Bush-era income tax cuts are addressed before they expire December 31.
“We write to inform you that we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers,” said the letter, which was sent to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this morning.
While Congress is expected to clear a short-term extension of federal funding today or tomorrow, the letter derails chances for relatively quick passage of bills Democrats are considering taking up before addressing the tax cuts. The two most prominent are a defense authorization that includes a repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military and the Dream Act, giving some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children a path to legal residence.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong...-bills-if-taxes-budget-not-addressed-20101201

THAT is what held up the 2011 budget and its also what is holding up the 2012 budget.

One simple thing.

THe republicans continue to protect giving the country to the rich and depriving the poor of their safety nets.

 

[chance1]

No, I didn't. Your reading comprehension is deteriorating, too.
.

you wrote:

They're like little kids doing almost unrecognizable fingerpaintings of a house and proudly announcing they've made a home to live in.



me thinks ur comprehension or memory is what's deficient here

I don't think ALL the tea party folks are loony at all

I have seen Joe Walsh (Illinois) on a few times - on MSNBC a lot actually - and he's anything but a loon

you and many here like to point to a group and make them something BAD - all of them

very ironic for a gay man

and not fair

 

[rareboy]

Placing facts in front of doctrinaire T-baggers and partisan Republicans is covered in Matthew 7:6.

And what is that buzzing around our ears?

 

[jackoroe]

Hey thanks for making my point for me! We don't have a budget. We have a series of continuing resolutions. Had we had an actual budget, there would have never been a need for the republicans to filibuster last December, would there.

Still not convinced? Last I checked, both the House and Senate need pass a budget and then the president signs it, right?

Somehow, and I can't imagine how, the US Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 800 days. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?email=yes&id=44718

Maybe you could explain to us all, how we could possibly have a budget if that's the case. We'll all be waiting anxiously for that explanation, I'm sure.

But more to the point, doesn't it bother you even a little bit that Obama wants to borrow and presumably spend another $2,500,000,000,000 that we don't have over a period of only a year and a half? Don't you realize that means that every American family will be in hock for an additional $20,000 in just 18 months time?

Does it not even bother you a little bit to hear the President of the United States fear mongering the elderly and disabled? I listened carefully to him last night. He was careful but he talked about default and Social Security in the same breath.

Now did you know that Social Security has $2,500,000,000,000 in treasury bonds that it may sell if the fund is running short? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund

More importantly does Obama know it? If he doesn't he is an imbecile and shouldn't be president. Worse yet, he may know it and chooses to scare the elderly and infirm anyway. That qualifies him as a scumbag of the worst sort in my opinion. He needs to be honest and tell the people that their checks will keep on coming no matter what happens next week.

I think reasonable people think it wrong to assault the elderly in order to make your political points.

 

[BostonPirate]

You CANT BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR NOT PASSING SOMETHING THE REPUBLICANS REFUSED TO STOP FILIBUSTERING.

It is the treasury that has no choice BUT To finance the bills that the Congress passed.

http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-15/news/29422546_1_budget-bill-budget-plan-vote-today

april 15th

Congress voted yesterday to keep the government financed through September, putting an end to a raucous first skirmish in this year’s showdown between Democrats and Republicans over federal spending while presaging bigger ones to come.

Scores of House Republicans deserted their leadership to vote against the bill, which cut $38 billion in spending, saying it did not go far enough. As a result, Speaker John A. Boehner was forced to rely on large numbers of Democrats to pass the measure, which subsequently sailed through the Senate, 81 to 19.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF5CkWIrPvM[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0BBDejJ-U[/ame]

 

[Gatorguy]

I think we just need new ideas. His speech seemed so outdated and out of touch.

I'd like to see him propose a war tax, handled just like sales tax, only with absolutely no exemptions for anyone.

If Americans had to pay for this small portion of the spending that of course they want to defer, I guarantee the attitudes would change. The key is to make every single American pay. It brings every voice into the political system. It adds a degree of fairness and equality to the taxation system.

The overall goal should be to move all government funding to this method, if it helps to rein in spending and government growth.

He has an opportunity for fundamental change. I think he needs to seize it.

 

[Jack Springer]

Hey thanks for making my point for me! We don't have a budget. We have a series of continuing resolutions. Had we had an actual budget, there would have never been a need for the republicans to filibuster last December, would there.

Still not convinced? Last I checked, both the House and Senate need pass a budget and then the president signs it, right?

Somehow, and I can't imagine how, the US Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 800 days. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?email=yes&id=44718

Maybe you could explain to us all, how we could possibly have a budget if that's the case. We'll all be waiting anxiously for that explanation, I'm sure.

But more to the point, doesn't it bother you even a little bit that Obama wants to borrow and presumably spend another $2,500,000,000,000 that we don't have over a period of only a year and a half? Don't you realize that means that every American family will be in hock for an additional $20,000 in just 18 months time?

Does it not even bother you a little bit to hear the President of the United States fear mongering the elderly and disabled? I listened carefully to him last night. He was careful but he talked about default and Social Security in the same breath.

Now did you know that Social Security has $2,500,000,000,000 in treasury bonds that it may sell if the fund is running short? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Trust_Fund

More importantly does Obama know it? If he doesn't he is an imbecile and shouldn't be president. Worse yet, he may know it and chooses to scare the elderly and infirm anyway. That qualifies him as a scumbag of the worst sort in my opinion. He needs to be honest and tell the people that their checks will keep on coming no matter what happens next week.

I think reasonable people think it wrong to assault the elderly in order to make your political points.

Thank you Jack.

I wish there was a politician out there that could explain our situation like you just did.

I hope the scare tactics that the dem's always use will not work this time regarding the elderly and less fortunate.

 

[BostonPirate]

the GOP just loves to make stuff up as it goes along, but the public is not falling for it this time guys.

They just aren't. there is too much truth available and too many lies have been told that were too easy to see through.

IF the GOP forces this down the country's throat, it will pay more dearly than they understand at the polls in 2012.

 

[BostonPirate]

John Boehner just announced that his plan is dead because his bill wont have enough votes to pass, and he is going to write another bill with a different plan.

 

[jackoroe]

the GOP just loves to make stuff up as it goes along, but the public is not falling for it this time guys.

They just aren't. there is too much truth available and too many lies have been told that were too easy to see through.

IF the GOP forces this down the country's throat, it will pay more dearly than they understand at the polls in 2012.

Where did I make anything up? We've established that there was no budget passed last year. We've established that is plenty of money to pay pensioners what they've got coming to them. And now, we have the White House flack catcher saying there's "There's nothing to worry about." Now is Carney lying, or is Obama lying?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wZ6K73K2_o&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]

Given the fact that the White House is now telling banks on the QT that there will be no default, it means Obama is the bullshitter. He's lying to get his way. That's truly low, even for him.

 

[jackoroe]

John Boehner just announced that his plan is dead because his bill wont have enough votes to pass, and he is going to write another bill with a different plan.

That would be a plan with more cuts. Funny how nobody except Obama is talking about raising taxes anymore. Guess that dog won't hunt, will it?

 

[Kulindahr]

I seem to recall the democrats running Congress last year, right?

Ever heard of John McCain? Guy who really can't stand the Bill of Rights?

Thanks to him and his friends, no one was running Congress last year.

 

[MoltenRock III]

That would be a plan with more cuts. Funny how nobody except Obama is talking about raising taxes anymore. Guess that dog won't hunt, will it?

Then you cannot bitch about the debt when a deal is not reached and continues to climb. If you're so obsessed with partisan purity while undermining your own stated values, guess what that makes you? I'll give you some help, it starts with an H, ends in an E and is a 9 letter word.

 

[Kulindahr]

I hope the scare tactics that the dem's always use will not work this time regarding the elderly and less fortunate.

What scare tactics?

You figure out a way to slash spending by 40% while increasing military spending, and not touch things for the elderly and less fortunate, and maybe people with sense will believe your claim of "scare tactics".

That would be a plan with more cuts. Funny how nobody except Obama is talking about raising taxes anymore. Guess that dog won't hunt, will it?

Most Americans are talking about raising taxes, because they're not idiots like the people in Congress who love generating deficits but don't want to pay for them. They know it's immoral to be facing massive debt but deliberately cut your income.

 

[jackoroe]

Then you cannot bitch about the debt when a deal is not reached and continues to climb. If you're so obsessed with partisan purity while undermining your own stated values, guess what that makes you? I'll give you some help, it starts with an H, ends in an E and is a 9 letter word.

The spending spree, and spending is clearly the problem, needs to be stopped. Obama wants to borrow and spend $2,500,000,000,000 over the next 18 month period. That will mean every American family will owe an additional $20,000 in debt.

Money that could have been used to send kids to college. Money that could have been used to buy a new car and actually do some good for the economy. But you guys on the left want to bankrupt this country. Let me introduce you to a new concept. It's called austerity. The EU is coming to grips with their situation and adopting austere budgets. It's time we do the same.

Being a libertarian means the government does what the Constitution allows for and nothing more. If we did that alone, government would be only 1/3 of it's current bloated size. That means we wouldn't be paying for the other 2/3 would we? We've got far too much government that's the issue. That's always been my position.

 

[Jack Springer]

What scare tactics?

You figure out a way to slash spending by 40% while increasing military spending, and not touch things for the elderly and less fortunate, and maybe people with sense will believe your claim of "scare tactics".



Most Americans are talking about raising taxes, because they're not idiots like the people in Congress who love generating deficits but don't want to pay for them. They know it's immoral to be facing massive debt but deliberately cut your income.

Most Americans don't understand that raising revenue means raising taxes.

Did anyone say that spending on defense was off the table?

 

[BostonPirate]

Raising revenue does not mean raising taxes. The getting rid of loopholes and corporate giveaways is just one of them, and the people will demand it. The GOP has overplayed their hand. The phone lines are ringing off the hook over at the house, calls from enraged americans who are demanding that the rich and the corporations pay their fair share.

IF they do not give this to the public, the public will put people in office that will do this in ONE year, just as the republicans are getting kicked out on their cans in wisconsin.

There may be one living republican more incompetent that Bush jr, and he is running the house of representatives.

They honestly don't have a clue over there as to how to legislate.

Blessedly, its a burden they wont have to bear for much longer.