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O'Donnell: 'You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?'

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Is this woman for real? I started watching my cable programs this am and was wondering what all the hubbub was, when I found this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39740538/ns/politics-decision_2010/

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state
'You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?' asks Senate candidate.
Delaware Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell answers a question during a Rotary Club debate against opponent Democratic Chris Coons in Wilmington, Del. on Oct. 14.
By BEN EVANS
The Associated Press
WILMINGTON, Del. — Republican Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell of Delaware on Tuesday questioned whether the U.S. Constitution calls for a separation of church and state, appearing to disagree or not know that the First Amendment bars the government from establishing religion.

The exchange came in a debate before an audience of legal scholars and law students at Widener University Law School, as O'Donnell criticized Democratic nominee Chris Coons' position that teaching creationism in public school would violate the First Amendment by promoting religious doctrine.
Coons said private and parochial schools are free to teach creationism but that "religious doctrine doesn't belong in our public schools."

"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him. :rolleyes:
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It's one of those things people have trouble grasping. The words "Separation of Church and State" does not exist anywhere in the constitution. The phrase actually comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to some Baptists.

The consitution itself reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .", so a lot of people say "There's no separation of church and state! Those 5 words aren't in there!", while failing to realize the intentions of the founding fathers.
 
Republicans don't know anything about the constitution. why should this surprise you...lol

Megan McCain called her an embarrasment to the entire republican party.
 
One of two things will happen after the election.

1) We will never hear of this crazy witch anymore.

2) The Republicans will use her as Palin Junior because Sarah's played herself out. Republicans have a tendency to use and abuse women to their advantage.

Whatever the case, she's entertaining.
 
O'Donnell, Paladino, Angle, Bachman - where does the GOP find these crazies?

And what is wrong with the Republican Party, that they keep scraping the bottom of the barrel to serve up these weirdos, when they have people like California's Schwarzenegger and Ohio's Voinovich?
 
Palin and Armey used the teabaggers to flood the republican nominations with radicals.

this election is not going to go as well as they are hoping and its because these people are scary.
 
It's a good chuckle, but worth remembering is this: O'Donnell and her ilk have no regard for the separation clause.

Her belief that it's not in the Constitution will just solidify her popularity with the would-be-theocrats.

Of course there's then her lack of knowledge of some other amendments.
 
SuperPsyze said:
It's one of those things people have trouble grasping. The words "Separation of Church and State" does not exist anywhere in the constitution.
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This absurdly pedantic argument is laughable, whether those literal words appear is irrelevant, they adequately describe what is established by the first amendment.


SuperPsyze said:
The phrase actually comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to some Baptists.
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Also this ridiculous insinuation the right seems to have which says that Jefferson was the only one who viewed the construction of the first amendment as a "separation" is totally wrong. The other founders viewed it similarly, including perhaps most importantly Madison, the author of the first amendment. Here are some of his statements:

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820).

Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832).
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Her fans are trying to say that she scored points by stumping Cooms by asking him to list all the rights in the Constitution.

Which, to be fair, I could probably name about 6.

Although not knowing about the separation of church and state.. that's like someone running for pope and saying "I know who the father and the son are, but the Holy Ghost... um... who's that?"
 
I think it was Stephen Fry who described the first amendment as a more dearly held religion in the USA than any typical religious belief.

Why is it that a guy from the UK (brilliant, granted) understands the first amendment, which we hold so dear, better that O'Donnell, Palin, and Dr. Laura?
 
JasunStrikesBack said:
Her fans are trying to say that she scored points by stumping Cooms by asking him to list all the rights in the Constitution.

Which, to be fair, I could probably name about 6.

Although not knowing about the separation of church and state.. that's like someone running for pope and saying "I know who the father and the son are, but the Holy Ghost... um... who's that?"
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She was correct as it related to the separation clause being specifically enumerated within the Amendment. It isn't. She asked coons what are the rights guaranteed within the 1st Amendment, which is a much broader and easier question. Coons was unable to enumerate those rights. Yet not a mention of it. Just an oversight by an overworked press, no doubt.:cool:
 
JasunStrikesBack said:
Her fans are trying to say that she scored points by stumping Cooms by asking him to list all the rights in the Constitution.

Which, to be fair, I could probably name about 6.

Although not knowing about the separation of church and state.. that's like someone running for pope and saying "I know who the father and the son are, but the Holy Ghost... um... who's that?"
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I'd love to hear those 6 that you could come up with. You obviously weren't even paying any attention to what she asked Coons because there are only 5 answers to the question she asked. So it seems you have some egg on your face. She asked him to name the 5 freedoms (Speech, Religion, Petition, Assembly, Press) guaranteed in the First Amendment, not the Constitution, which would be so vague. It's not surprising that a Marxist candidate for high office doesn't know the Constitution.
 
no laika

there are 5 in the first amendment, champ. there are lots of other ones in the constitution, like the right to bear arms which is the second amendment, and while you radical extremists are doing everything you can to take apart the constitution there are still some americans that want it protected.
 
BostonPirate said:
no laika

there are 5 in the first amendment, champ. there are lots of other ones in the constitution, like the right to bear arms which is the second amendment, and while you radical extremists are doing everything you can to take apart the constitution there are still some americans that want it protected.
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You did better than Coons in recognizing the five freedoms in the First Amendment. Why do you suppose it is though, that Coons has not been pillaried by the press for being a dope in not recognizing this?
 
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